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Twins in '08: Ballpark Magic

October 2, 2008 2:15 AM

Baseball is an amazing game. A game not of inches, but millimeters. The tiniest difference in where that bat hits the ball and it's a double down the left field line instead of a double-play. And every single pitch counts.

It's a game not of rules and strategies, but epic narratives.

Your season is 162 mini-dramas, but that's not enough. There may be one last peroxide-headed dragon who must be slain. Knock that ball loose and the dragon shrinks away -- the ring could be yours.

But before you even get to take on the dragon, you must conquer the ancient sage. Can he cast the same spells with his arm as he did in his youth? Your feet had better be fast.

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So 2008, especially its end, was positively Wagnerian (or Jacksonian for the more cinematically-inclined). I would say that you can't make this stuff up, but this is exactly the type of stuff that the great writers through history have always made up. It might be more appropriate to say that, in the days before multimedia, this is the type of campaign they would have written plays or sung songs about.

Yeah, the good guys should have won, but the Game is the thing wherein you'll catch the conscience of the king.

This team will be remembered for not listening to anybody in the baseball world. They will be remembered as a box of spare parts that fought its way into becoming a team. They will be remembered for letting go of first their Heart and then the Best Pitcher in Baseball, starting from scratch, and still making a hell of a run.

My hat is off to Ron Gardenhire and his staff. They may not get much official recognition, but these guys were truly amazing in getting the most out of the tools they were given. They ensured that, barring some unforeseen off-season bungling, they will not start in the same hole next year. They can be counted on to give the Metrodome an exciting send-off.

And what an amazing day that will be. Listening to the national announcers (in last night's game and throughout the season on Fox), you get the feeling that the Twins are seen as some sort of Dome-fueled novelty. I don't think that's true, despite their lopsided home-road record. But I do think that getting out of that cement craphole will instantly raise their credibility within the baseball world.

So, I will sleep peacefully dreaming of the '09 goodbye, and the '10 hello.

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Steel going up fast.


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For reference, here's that spot on the model.


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The HERC side, viewed from Fifth Street.


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LRT station has appeared.


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Looking down what was Third Avenue, and will be a freeway entrance ramp beneath the outfield stands.


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The equivalent spot on the model.


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All that's left is to add wood! (Seventh Street circulation ramp.)


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Loading dock -- already in use!


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From the roof of the Minnekahda building (courtesy Bruce Lambrecht).


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From the roof of the Minnekahda building (courtesy Bruce Lambrecht).


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Nicely said Rick!

I cant wait to cheer for the twins in 09 @ the "HOUSE THAT PUCK BUILT" Then the real fun begins.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 07:41 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 1

I heard on the radio that the stadia will start being installed in "early October".

Could someone explain to me how that works? I know they are prefab, but is there a steel structure beneath them? And how do they attach to the main building? I don't see footings that they would be attached to in the current construction. Can someone enlighten me?

(Great pictures Rick. Thanks!)

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 09:39 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 2

Thanks for going to the work of matching up the model pics with the current construction photos...It really provides context.

Awesome job Rick!!!

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 09:52 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 3

How on earth are they going to manage the buses (and cars!) going into the 5th St Garage, LRT trains, *and* autos trying to get on I-394 - with tons of people walking around to boot? I was always under the impression that the 394 entrance was going away, so you would only have local traffic on 3rd Ave N. Methinks there is going to be some major craziness at that intersection for the first couple months whilst the city tries to figure out what's best.

Oh well, better than no stadium at all! And I'll be making use of that 394 entrance in the mornings and on weekends!

81 games left in the Dome! although I'm wishing for 87-92!!!

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 11:07 AM by barryS Highlight this comment 4

Yea for pics!!!!

I agree with OG Jeff, the association with the model is great. I was really surprised that when the Twins posted pics of the model there were so few of them. And the ones they did have were mostly from the same angle. Thanks, Rick!

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 11:10 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 5

I'm sure it will, but is the homer hanky going to carry over to Target Field? I couldn't see how it wouldn't.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 2:22 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 6

Looking at that last picture of the LRT station really helps me get a feel for how pedestrian flow might work. They made it a center platform between the two rails. And it looks to be a couple of 3-car trains long (or maybe one 3-car and one 2-car train).

I can see now how the end-of-game scenario might work. They stack up two trains on each side and people flow from the north end of the platform on both sides. They can fill up four trains and then send 'em off. Or send two, bring in two more, send the other two, etc.

I think the main reason the Dome needs the large plaza is that most people only want to travel on the train in one direction after a game (south). The new ballpark is at the terminus so everyone will want to go one way and conveniently ALL the trains will go that way too. It's a much more efficient use of the platform than we have at the Dome.

It's hard to tell if the tracks will extend beyond the ballpark. If so, they could stack up even more trains and have 'em ready to go after the game.

Of course, Central Corridor will be on-line in a few years after the ballpark opens so there will be even MORE demand for the LRT after games. And once Southwest comes in we'll have trains exiting the ballpark station in both directions, but we'll also have more people wanting to travel in both directions than we do at the Dome currently.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 4:09 PM by David Highlight this comment 7

David,

I've been working for about a month on an article which details all of these train-related issues. It's very interesting, and even a bit distressing -- especially after my experience a couple of weeks ago with the subways in New York.

That article might get out tonight.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 4:22 PM by Rick 8

The Twins did pretty good this year in the cash dept... in sids scribbles it states we had the 3rd highest attandance ever here(keep in mind one of those was over 3mil after we won it all in 1992) and with payroll around 56 mil they also got 20 mil for revenue sharing.

so there will need to be some money spent or i think MLB should take the twins off of the "poor list" it makes me feel kinda duped sometimes.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 4:22 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 9

Watching the Rays/Sox game. Harold Reynolds needs to shut the furk up.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 4:44 PM by Rick 10

T-2 games to Sox elimination!

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 4:57 PM by Grant Highlight this comment 11

yes the tracks extend beyond the park. they'll be stacking up there, it should be much more efficient than the metrodome situation.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 5:53 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 12

As a perfectionist I don't like how the pressbox behind homeplate isn't exactly centered, it kind of bugs me. I also hope they put something like the home of the Minnesota Twins up there, or this is Twins Territory.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 8:10 PM by P Highlight this comment 13

Anyone worried come 2010 we actually might not be that good. Our road record (mostly outdoors on grass) was pretty bad. Are we just built for the dome, I sure hope not.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 9:03 PM by P Highlight this comment 14

P - Not worried in the least. You sound like you might be a "glass half-empty" kind of guy, so I will let you deal with that on your own terms. I think if the front office makes the right moves this off-season the Twins will be set to compete in the AL Central for the next 5 years minimum.

Posted on October 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 15

So it's not a figment of my imagination or parallax that I also thought the press box looked off center. P, I'll say it, it trips me out!!! I like symmetry, sometime asymmetry is good, but this is one place where it should be symmetrical. Great, so how long do we expect this new stadium to be our home? I may be relegated to sitting above the press box just so I don't wig out.

Betaband, do the "right moves this off-season" require Pohlad digging deeper in his pocket? Who wants to hold their breath on that? But I agree, we're only one big bat or big arm away from being a really dangerous team.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 01:25 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 16

The radio/TV press box is exactly centered. An extension up the first base line accommodates the print journalists. Here are two images for clarification (in the diagram, purple is press):



Not sure why this would bother anyone.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 01:35 AM by Rick 17

Does not bother me as long as I can still eat all the free press food!

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 07:42 AM by Sid Hartman Highlight this comment 18

I don't really care for it being off center either, but they probably wanted more seating on the 3rd base side because of the skyline... My 2 cents

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 09:50 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 19

Sid, For all the brown-nosing you've done for the Pohlad's- you get free salad bar for life. But the steak is expensive, so I'll need you to pay for that.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 09:59 AM by Carl Pohlad Highlight this comment 20

If/When the Southwest LRT is built out, the ballpark will not be the end of the line, as the SW trains will come from the west along the Cedar Lake trail and then curl around HERC to the stadium, before going through the rest of downtown.

Currently, the rails have been extended past the stadium and down around HERC to its entrance on 6th so that trains can be stacked/stored for ease of ballpark egress. Unless, add'l rails are laid down, these will be the initial rails of the SW line.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 10:12 AM by barryS Highlight this comment 21

(sorry for the double) - but I should also mention, that people are not just leaving the Dome in one direction (south). Post-game, trains that are entirely filled up do run up the line to the Warehouse District stop where everyone disembarks (revelers and a lot of northern suburb folks who park in the A & B ramps). That I think is the main problem at the dome with stacks and stacks of people on the platform - and obviously won't be an issue at the ballpark since there will only be one direction (until the SW line comes into play).

Still, that center platform at the ballpark is going to be crazy with people who will be heading east & south. Hopefully, when the SW line comes in, an additional platform and pair of tracks will be laid on that bridge to accomodate traffic. It seems likely since that spot is going to be the nexus of a lot of people moving about, even on 'non-game' days.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 10:18 AM by barryS Highlight this comment 22

In reference to the third picture from the top, does anyone know what kind of material they are using on the exterior wall that is underneath the leftfield stands/scoreboard area. From the model picture it seems as though it is some kind of brick or cement block. Why did they not continue with the limestone theme here? Is there some reason that the brick is used here and only here for the exterior fascade?

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 2:31 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 23

It's simple: brick costs a lot less than limestone.

Frankly, I think that the variety actually improves the facade. The limestone is certainly beautiful, but variety is even more so.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 2:36 PM by Rick 24

Also, that facade fronts on some warehouse facades that are all brick, and it will harmonize with them a lot better.

Furthermore, that's the outfield section, and it's gives the appearance of a distinct structure from the main grandstand. The main stand has the canopy and feels like one structure, the outfield stuff is separated by the plaza on one side and the admin building on the other. I think it does a nice job of making the disjointed massing look more organic (largely because it is organic, dealing with the existing parking garage and so on). It's a different feel from the rest of the park, and it works because it's a different space that the rest of the park - both on the interior and the exterior.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 3:00 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 25

Not sure how long it has been there, but the Yankees have a 3D seating viewer similar to the Twins'. I kinda feel sorry for them spending all that money, and the bowl of the stadium is so plain. No view out of the stadium. Maybe they'll be too hopped up on $20 Martini's to notice.

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM by Brian Highlight this comment 26

Downtown Journal had an article in which they claim that the Twins and Target are contributing $8 million towards finishing the Plaza.

http://www.downtownjournal.com/index.php?&story=12363&page=65&category=86

Posted on October 3, 2008 at 6:37 PM by David Highlight this comment 27

Maybe Target can chip-in for a big bat in the lineup as well.

Posted on October 4, 2008 at 09:39 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 28

Our first Target store opens a week from tomorrow. That should provide plenty of the proceeds.

Posted on October 4, 2008 at 2:25 PM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 29

Chuck,

Will Sarah and Todd be there on the snoooomachine?

Posted on October 4, 2008 at 6:07 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 30

the roof is closed tonight in milwaukee. what's the weather? 56 degrees and sunny. that's why i'm glad we will not have that option. wear a coat.

Posted on October 4, 2008 at 6:17 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 31

ac - Couldn't agree more. Suck it up. Saimilar argument a few years ago in Houston, when there was a controversy about the pitchers having a choice of roof open or closed (wasn't this an issue in Arizona as well back in 2001?), and MLB stepped in and mandated that the roof would be open (since the weather was fine) - IIRC, the 'Stros wanted the roof closed anyway since the croud would be louder indoors...

Moose

Posted on October 4, 2008 at 7:59 PM by moose97 Highlight this comment 32

tHE ROOF IS ALWAYS CLOSED IN MILL TOWN...ASK KEV IN AZ ABOUT THE ROOF IN PHX AND THE PITCHERS HAVING THE CHOICE IF THE ROOF IS OPNE/CLOSED

Posted on October 5, 2008 at 12:07 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 33

yep its all bullshit about roofs, fuck roofs they were not met to be!

Posted on October 5, 2008 at 12:40 AM by really drunk guy Highlight this comment 34

Kevin, doubt it, although there just may be snow on the ground by then for it. The snow on the mountains keeps getting lower and lower. And on that note, Alaskans will look at you weird if you call them snowmobiles and use snowbank instead of snow berm.

Posted on October 5, 2008 at 06:24 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 35

Just walked by the park - The steelwork for the stands is in place in center field - nearly connecting all the way over to left field. The "notches" look like they're ready to have the forms poured for the stadia sooner than later! Also the center field entrance is beginning to look pretty good. It has a very lare, open feel to it. 2nd webcam by Christmas?

Posted on October 5, 2008 at 3:55 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 36

all I want for christmas are the two web cams
the two web cams so we can see the two web cams
gee if I could only have those two webmcams
then I could wish you a merry christmas

Posted on October 5, 2008 at 8:18 PM by The Grinch Highlight this comment 37

Is it just me or did the Twins go a little overboard with wheelchair accessible seating? Do they really need two large areas, one down each line, of wheelchair accessible seating at field level. I would believe the Twins are leaving a lot of money on the table by these areas taking up three rows of prime seating.

Posted on October 5, 2008 at 10:25 PM by Guest Highlight this comment 38

Posted on October 5, 2008 at 8:25 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 39

The NFL isn't much better about the roof. Take yesterday for example. It was sunny and 79 yesterday when the Bills and Cardinals kicked off. By the time the game was over the temp was 84. The roof was closed. STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 40

And in houston the play by play guys straight up said that the only reason the roof is open today is cuz of hurricaine Ike, otherwise its too hot and humid...

Why not just make a dome?

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 12:16 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 41

Guest,

I suggest reading the ADA before criticizing the disabled seating options. Basically, they have to provide it at all levels and at all pricepoints, and it has to total a certain percentage of the overall seating capacity.

I can almost certainly guarantee that they did what the law requires. Furthermore, if those seats aren't taken by a disabled person, simply throw a folding chair or two in there.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 12:24 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 42

Yea Guest!!!!! dont hate! atleast you can walk, sit wherever you want....let me watch my team

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 12:40 PM by Handicapped Dude Highlight this comment 43

yeahklye, what does that mean lights on?

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 1:14 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 44

Guest,

The thing about handicapped seating is that it has to be a percentage of a FULL stadium...so they have to provide plenty of seating as if the stadium was full every day... Reminds me of parking a half mile away from Target, then walking by 14 empty handicapped spots next to the front door. Oh well.

This morning they were still lifting a bunch of steel to the upper deck of the center field area - looks awesome!

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 1:46 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 45

Matt,
when he posted the link, the lights (not the actual outfield ballpark lights) were on at the site. go to a shot sometime that night and you get a great view of the ballpark.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 46

Blah, blah, blah, second webcam blah, blah, blah. You've all been kvetching over this second webcam now for months. It ain't happening. Time to move on.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM by Farmer Jim Highlight this comment 47

Listen up, I'm Farmer Jim. I don't have anything to add to the conversation so I'll just mandate what should or shouldn't be posted.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 5:48 PM by Blah, blah, blah Highlight this comment 48

White Sox are "GONE". I hope the same can be said of Harold Reynolds.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 7:29 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 49

Sorry about that Handicapped dude, I wasn't trying to affend anybody or be malicious. I also understand law requires for wheelchair seating, but I was just wondering why they needed to cover the FRONT three rows. If you look around the field level seating, only about half of the 24 or so sections actually offer first row seating. It just seems odd.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 8:16 PM by Guest Highlight this comment 50

Amen to that, JohnF. Reynolds just talks and talks and talks and about once every hour says something insightful.

Tonight he was ranting about how the Rays missed a huge chance by not bunting with a runner at second and nobody out -- late in the game with a three-run lead. Just diarrhea of the mouth.

During the final Mets game, he was riffing for 20 minutes about how pitchers were usually wasting their efforts in trying to keep runners on second from stealing third. His main point was that he thought a runner is no more likely to score from third than from second. What the--?

Most annoying commentator I've heard in a long time.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 8:18 PM by Rick 51

sorry rick i beg to differ...joe buck and pretty much any local cbs sport chump they have do the vikes games....

and i hate tony kornhiser!!!

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 8:35 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 52

Well, Jeez! How much whining do we have to put up with about this second web cam? Has any of the whining done any good? It goes on and on with no positive result. No second web cam. Everybody learn to live with it. Is this the first promise in your lives that hasn't come to pass?

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 8:56 PM by Farmer Jim Highlight this comment 53

We can tell a guy he's stupid for expressing an opinion about ribbon boards that doesn't seem to fit the norm here, but we get our undies in a twist when someone says something about the constant wringing of hands over that second web cam. So tell me how I'm dictating the content of these threads. I'm sorry I'm not mazaratirick or kevin in AZ who seem to havwe free reign to slap people down for their comments, but if touch one of their sacred cows...

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 9:00 PM by Farmer Jim Highlight this comment 54

Farmer Jim - I'm not clear, are you for or against the whining that's going on here as folks pine for me? Personally, I'm sick of sitting in my box in Dave St. Peters office collecting dust! I mean, it's been since May that DSP promised to install me, and yet, still here I sit! Someone save me!

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 9:09 PM by webcam2 Highlight this comment 55

Do you guys think anyone is working on the site at night with all the lights on around the main concourse or do they just like wasting the electricity to keep the bums away? BTW, I'm taking DSP for his word. I'm guessing the 2nd webcam will be up anyday now. I can't wait. C'MON 2nd webcam!

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 9:13 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 56

what the hell did i do Jim??? calm down... my grandfather was a farmer jeez

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 9:41 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 57

what the hell did i do Jim??? calm down... I'm a just a sacred cow... my grandfather was a farmer jeez

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 11:11 PM by a sacred cow Highlight this comment 58

I agree mazaratirick, Kornheiser is the worst! That whole MNF team is just painful to listen to.

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 11:15 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 59

white sox lost....there is justice! rise target field...rise!! don't let us ballpark rubes down dsp...

Posted on October 6, 2008 at 11:20 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 60

Nice!!! i love it when they change their names to say stupid things!

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 07:42 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 61

what happened with the italics? let's see if i close out the tag [/i] if that helps...

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 08:09 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 62

i guess not....hmmm

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 08:09 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 63

AC,

Didn't you know - typing in italics is the "new black"!

I've seen guys working at night on the park SOMETIMES. I dunno if they add shifts into the evening when progress falls a little behind, or if it's planned. Otherwise I'm sure they keep a few lights on to deter people from trespassing...

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 09:14 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 64

Let's see if we can put a stop to this italics business...

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Testing? 1, 2, 3?

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 09:26 AM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 65

Speaking of black. Everyones probably aware by now that the White Sox asked their fans to attend their recent games by wearing black, and calling it a "Black Out". I wonder if those fans will still be wearing black next summer when it's a 95 degree day. If so, they will be passing out by the hundreds from heat exhaustion. "Good guys wear black". Gimme a break.

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 11:31 AM by JohnF Highlight this comment 66

White Sox fans will not be wearing black next summer because there will be no fans in U.S. Cellular Field...Just a bunch of bandwagon fans in Chicago. I hope the White Sox disappoint next year.

As for the Cubs fans, they all say they are done being Cubs fans year after year when the Cubs disappoint, but yet, they come back every year.

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM by Dislike Chicago Guy Highlight this comment 67

as much as I dislike the White Sox, I thought the black out looked super cool on TV. but you're right - that ain't happening in the sun and heat.

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 11:40 AM by Don_T Highlight this comment 68

Any artists out there want to design something for the ballpark? Click my name for a link to the Ballpark Authority's RFP for public art. There are a few elevations and plans that haven't been posted elsewhere on there also.

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM by Andy Highlight this comment 69

After reading this week's "Mailbag" (click link) on twinsbaseball.com, I just had to laugh when someone asked if the Twins would consider FieldTurf rather than grass in Target Field to better suit their speed and give a home-field advantage.

Could you imagine an OUTDOOR ballpark with FieldTurf??? That would definitely be WRONG! Football is much different and we see many outdoor stadiums with FieldTurf (Cincinnati, New England, Seattle, New York, Buffalo, and Baltimore)

All I want is an OUTDOOR ballpark with GRASS....and the Twins definitely made the right choice in my mind.

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 6:28 PM by Tim - Rochester Highlight this comment 70

I am wondering when someone is going to put up some updated construction pictures besides the pictures on this thread. I am also wondering if the Twins will release some interior shots or renderings of the ballpark most notably the concourses and also the interior of the administration building among other things. That would be last thing i would demand from them since they already released so many exterior renderings.

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 8:38 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 71

I am also curious about the interior. My guess is that is among the final design steps. The only picture of the interior that I'm aware of is this one:

Posted on October 7, 2008 at 10:04 PM by Dan M Highlight this comment 72

The risers are going up for the "triangle" shaped seating area in right center!!!

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 11:09 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 73

Webcam2 is up!

Moose

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 12:09 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 74

After checking out webcam2 - it's been up since September 18th (at least, that's how far back the archive goes), but I just noticed the link on the webcam page today. Also, I realy wish you could pan farther to the left, as that's where most of the work is happening right now...

Still, at least it's a different look at the ballpark!

Moose

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 75

I called it. My inside Twins sources said it was coming any day now. They also tell me Delmon is gone this Winter...bye bye.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 12:20 PM by Locker Highlight this comment 76

HOLY CRAP - HELL JUST FROZE OVER!

I like the different angle...it would be great to see a little more Center Field, but this is better than nothing.

Thanks DSP...i think

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 12:21 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 77

dsp wouldn't let us rubes down. 540 days 'til real mlb baseball as it was intended! break out the '65 unis.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 1:20 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 78

Yeah that sucks you cant see center field at all.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 2:12 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 79

Nice second webcam.

Of course, it's from almost the exact spot that I got kicked out of in Ford Centre (for being a threat to homeland security, no less).

Gotta admit that I'm kind of pissed off about that. The management of Ford Centre was not even polite enough to respond to my inquiry for permission to continue taking photographs.

Considering that both the building and the management company are owned by the Pohlads, and the second webcam takes and publishes pictures pretty much constantly all day every day for the whole world to see, that's a pretty rotten way to treat a fan.

I'm going to assume that it was some flunky who was rude to me, and that the Pohlads, if they knew, would be happy to grant me occasional access for the purpose of keeping up my documentation of their big project. Others in the neighborhood are doing so quite happily.

Yeah, I'm pissed (and, as you all probably have realized, it takes a lot to piss me off).

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 2:14 PM by Rick 80

could somebody post a link to the 2nd webcam?

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 4:34 PM by Don T Highlight this comment 81

Just go to the regular webcam page and click the little link above its control panel for the "Construction cam 2".

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 4:38 PM by Rick 82

Right above the webcam, when viewing, there's an option for CONSTRUCTION CAM 1 and CONSTRUCTION CAM 2. It's pretty small - but you'll see it.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 4:39 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 83

no way theres a 2nd cam????? im at work and cant see any webcames so i will check it out when i get home....

what are we gonna bit#h about now?????

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 4:42 PM by MAZARATIRICK Highlight this comment 84

random thought: it always blows my mind that a mlb baseball field (i am referring to the actual playing surface, not the entire complex) will fit into there. the webcams fool the eye a bit since the scale you get from the cameras is not exact compared to if you were standing down at the site. you think there is no way a playing surface is going to fit there, but then you realize the dimensions of the field are pretty much inline with most other ballparks around the majors.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 5:39 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 85

ok we got the second cam...but...barely any range of motion....beggars can't be choosers i guess. i'd like to be able to see the centerfield construction, the rail station adjacent leftfield, etc. at least we got the second cam. the blog author, as always is doing an excellent job of filling in the blanks. this second cam will provide a good view of the canopy install.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 5:58 PM by Tim Highlight this comment 86

ok, im home and i like the new view, you see alot ore of the "guts" and next summer it will be a awsome to see this view when they are laying the grass

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 6:07 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 87

At last!!! The long awaited second webcam has arrived! I do wish it it would show a bit more of left field, but YaHOOO!!, I'm not complaining!! Thank you DStP!! Take that pessimistic Farmer Jim!!

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 6:21 PM by LuckyLager Highlight this comment 88

Well be still my beating, bleeding heart....I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!!

Pinch me...I must be dreaming.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 7:49 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 89

awesome. I can't believe I didn't see the Construction Camera 1 & 2 links from work. Must've been too excited to think straight.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 7:57 PM by Don T Highlight this comment 90

This webcam is going to be awesome for about a week...then the wall will be too high and then you wont be able to see anything but the outside wall.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 9:23 PM by MOJO Highlight this comment 91

Man Mojo - you just had to go and spoil all the fun with your COLD HARD LOGIC.

Posted on October 8, 2008 at 9:57 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 92

Betaband, one way to put the size of the field in perspective is to note the port-a-potties. You can see them clearly on the terrace level above the Metropolitan Club. But even more so, if you can locate them on the future field area it really shows how big that area is down there. I might be out of whack but it helps me judge size on these TWO webcams. Unfortunately, I can't take a quick trip to site and have a peek.

BTW, our Target store officially opened today, Wednesday. The grand opening is Sunday. So there should be lots and lots of more money for Target to pump into this project. Sadly, yes, it has already snowed about 1/2in. Maybe snowmobiles will be there.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 02:41 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 93

I'm tired of the 2nd webcam. It doesn't show any of center field. How about a crane cam, or a homeplate cam?

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 12:14 PM by Ungrateful Bastard Highlight this comment 94

The 2nd Cam would be a lot better if it had a fisheye lens...

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 12:41 PM by Alex B. Highlight this comment 95

second webcam blows...i think we need a third webcam stationed on the top level right behind homeplate that focuses on the whole outfield

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 1:04 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 96

Hey guys, I am an engineer in Rochester and finally got a chance to get to the site and see the construction for myself. I got to take a tour of the Northstar project and LRT extension (perks of working for MnDOT). I took a bunch of pictures during the tour (see flickr link). I am not much of a photographer, but these are what I snapped as I walked through the Northstar tour downtown.

I learned a bunch of details about the commuter line and the LRT that are quite interesting and gets me excited for opening day. I hope the pictures tide you over until Rick gets more posted.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 1:49 PM by AP Highlight this comment 97

Thanks AP! I will just assume that you are Adrian Petersen. Good luck this weekend!

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 98

Hmm, somehow my link turned into an email link. I hope this one works.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 1:53 PM by AP Highlight this comment 99

It's still an e-mail AP, but thanks for sharing your pics. It is nice to see the action on that side of the park.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 2:02 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 100

AP,

Nice shots! (I'll see what I can do about fixing that link for everyone. It worked fine for me.)

While you were on that tour, I was on top of the Minikahda building getting another round of pictures. (I even think I took some pictures of your group touring the LRT construction!)

I hope to have time to edit those tonight.

In the meantime, I agree with those who think the new webcam is a disappointment. After my mini-rant yesterday (I'm still not quite over my feelings of indignation), it occurred to me that there may have been some limitations on what they were able to show from Ford Centre.

I noticed that you can't see even a tiny smidgeon of the LRT construction on that image. Though I don't know it for a fact, I wonder if Metro Transit may have objected to having LRT construction visible.

The best possible option would probably be to mount a 360 camera on that home plate sign or maybe the flag pole -- although THAT's never going to happen.

Looks like not much to see on the concourses at this point, though I am looking for another opportunity to get inside...

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 2:07 PM by Rick 101

Hey AP,

Maybe you can explain how they will fit a Northstar train track on the south side of the platform? The north side seems fairly obvious, but I don't see how there is room to run a track inbetween the overpass support and the south side of the platform??

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 2:09 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 102

Those links should work for everyone now.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 2:13 PM by Rick 103

mplsgreg, It will be a tight fit between the platform and the bridge pier. There is still quite a bit of grading to do that currently makes you wonder how it will fit. A lot of concrete was also poured around the piers to reinforce them since the trains will be running so close. If there are windows on the Northstar trains, don't stick your arm out!

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 2:51 PM by AP Highlight this comment 104

Does anybody know why they layed dirt down near the edge of the plaza above right field, and then covered that dirt with more concrete? Seems like an odd thing to do from an engineering standpoint.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 3:37 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 105

JohnF,

I wondered the same thing and took some pictures of the process just to document that I wasn't crazy...

Since that whole thing is on a bridge, could it be that sand is lighter than concrete? Or will there be some drainage through there? Or is it cheaper? (Just some guesses.)

Engineers?

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 3:51 PM by Rick 106

do you ever wonder what minneapolis looked like before or want to learn more about the buildings downtown? i know i do! click my name for a link to a website that i discovered a couple of years ago and stumbled onto again this week. it makes me wish the rand tower (or almost any other building) and multifoods tower could switch spots....

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 4:02 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 107

I've been reading James Lileks since I was a student at the U. He has a great site.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 4:30 PM by Rick 108

Does anyone know what those things wrapped in white are just sitting on the concourses? are they just more escalators or what?

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 4:44 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 109

you know what, I can't see the second webcam from work. what the fudge? must be stupid Internet Exploder, huh? I have firefox at home

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 5:08 PM by Don T Highlight this comment 110

Apologies if this has already been mentioned, the Twins/Ballpark Authority/City/County/Northstar are seeking artists to work on the interior of the Ballpark Station and exterior on 5th St. There's also talk that they would hire artists to work near the HERC site and 3rd Ave/12th St.

There is another rendering of the 5th St. side on the attached PDF.

Posted on October 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 111


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Plaza overview from the A ramp



An overview of the model display.


















A look at Gate 34.






No offense, TC, but you're pointing exactly the wrong direction if you want people to use the ramp opening to your right...






Um, I think that guy is out.



Stairs down to Seventh Street now have the start of railings









8:32 PM The glare is gone. Elapsed time: 1 hour (approximately 3 innings).



Concept drawing of Coomer gate (click to enlarge)












I had to hold the camera as far over my head as I could to get this shot, in which the infield is finally visible. It's a spot made for your average Timberwolves player.



I never think of Ron Jackson at all.






You have to wonder just what happened here. Will it remain forever embedded in cement?



This is the Carew gate covered in plastic.



Reasonable (if not overly generous) leg room






That's Noah and my brother, Chris, checking out the Loge Box amenities



Banners on the parking ramp are a great touch. They help manage scale and turn a lemon into lemonade. On my way there today I passed the WCCO building and remembered how the Twins schedule used to be painted in giant form on the side of that building (which is no longer visible). Wouldn't that be a great thing to resurrect on the side of that ramp? A giant Twins schedule. I always thought that was cool.









Skywalk over Seventh, looking back toward the parking ramp



Wayfinding within the B ramp is still a work in progress.



Pesky Reality



The lone light standard and one of those "entry beacons."









Section 101, Row 34



OK, it doesn't really look like that at all...



Ballark Authority members listen to the LEED introduction



Seventh Street circulation






Construction of the stands is moving from left to right in this image.



View Level









Citi Field as viewed from Shea.





Glossary

BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium

TF - Target Field

Selected Bibliography - Analysis
 


(1993)
 


First Edition (1992)
 


Second Edition (2006)
 


(2008)
 

Selected Bibliography - Surveys
 


(1975)
 


Second Edition (1987)
 


Not a "Third Edition" exactly,
but it replaced the above title
(2000)
 


(2000, large coffee table)
 


Original edition (2000, round)
 


Revised edition (2006, round)
 


(2001, medium coffee table)
 


(2002, small coffee table)
 


(2003, medium coffee table)
 


(2004, very large coffee table)
 


(2006, very large coffee table)
 


Combines the previous two titles
(2007, medium coffee table)
 

Selected Bibliography - Nostalgia
 


(1992)
 


Book and six ballpark miniatures
(2004)
 

Complete Bibliography

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