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November 10, 2013 12:28 AM

Many of you probably already saw this:

Losing costs Twins half their TV audience

Most interesting was confirmation that the team gets paid the same amount regardless of ratings. In other words, if fans want to punish the team for not winning, skipping the broadcasts doesn't hurt them nearly as much as not going to the ballpark.

Not watching does hurt the advertisers, of course, and that in turn dings the fees FSN can charge the advertisers, but the Twins come out untouched. And, for what it's worth, FSN does just fine too because they make their money from subscriber fees, which also don't change significantly when the team sucks.

Thus, as far as TV revenue is concerned, both the Twins and the RSN are pretty insulated. If you want to send a message, you'll have to do it at the ballpark -- or rather not at the ballpark.

Oh, and if you wonder just how much the Twins make through TV (among other things) compared to the rest of MLB, check this out.

Here's a quick look at ballpark attendance since 2001 (from ESPN). I'd label where TF opened, but it seems pretty obvious. And there's no way of denying that it looks like the "new ballpark bump" has been largely squandered.


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Funniest joke ever: Did you know that the toilet bowl was invented in Minnesota? It was introduced to the general public in the early 80s. The inventor called it the Metrodome.

Posted on November 10, 2013 at 2:22 PM by luke Highlight this comment 1

This is the really telling part of the story:

"The Twins have lost half of their TV audience since 2010, and they sell 23 percent fewer tickets than they did in Target Field’s first year — they averaged only 758 more fans per home game last year than in the Metrodome’s final season."

Posted on November 10, 2013 at 5:09 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 2

Ouch that is bad. The dome was slightly inflated in the last year I would guess, but it will be interesting to see five year averages in a couple of years.

Posted on November 10, 2013 at 5:25 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 3

I added a graph of average attendance to the post.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 12:41 AM by Rick 4

Braves to build new stadium for the 2017 season (their 20 year lease at Turner Field expires at the end of the 2016 season). No word on the amount of public financing.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 09:19 AM by Raging Peasants Highlight this comment 5

Looks like the Braves are abandoning 20+ year old Turner Field for a new ballpark to be built. That's the first I have heard of it. Click name.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 08:52 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 6

Wow. So now we're apparently building them to last about 19 years.

Maybe TF wasn't a once-in-our-lifetime thing after all...

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 09:42 AM by Rick 7

I just added Turner Field to the short list of stadiums I need to get to. I have always heard good things about it. I can't believe there hasn't been big news about the planning. Is this the first stadium deal that came as a surprise recently(last 10 yrs)?

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 8

Now I'm wondering whether this isn't just a new variation on the "give us the upgrades we want or we'll move" gambit.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM by Rick 9

Twins just announced MAUER IS MOVING TO 1B FULL TIME IN 2014!!! Press conference at 1pm. More to come...

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 10

Shouldn't have ditched My29 likethe cheapskats the Poorlads are. They better not be begging for a new ballpark in 2025 or anytime sooner or later orI'll be telling them to go to hell.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 10:53 AM by gus munger Highlight this comment 11

The Falcons are building a new retractable roof stadium too, and the Georgia Dome opened in 1992...

Will be interesting how other teams follow suit in the coming years as their facilities hit the 20 year mark.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 10:58 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 12

It's about more than upgrades. It's also about money. Apart from industry wide technical and luxury upgrades in the past twenty plus years, the reason why the Georgia Dome, which opened in 1992, is being abandoned by the Falcons is because the revenue streams don't flow towards the team in a great enough amount. Similarly, the Braves feel that not enough of the money generated by Turner Field goes to them. This new stadium idea, whether legitimate or a ploy to get a better deal at Turner Field (the latter, I think), is meant to address this issue.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 11:16 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 13

This is BAD. 1B is one of your power-hitting positions. Now you have Joe and his 15 HRs taking up that spot. But then again, that's the Twins Way.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 11:32 AM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 14

I thought the same, TTH. He also goes from being one of the best defenders at his position to average, if he's lucky.

And the pitching staff should be crying in their beers right now.

Bad decision.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 11:37 AM by Rick 15

The Twins have a pitching staff?

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 1:18 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 16

If Mauer is full time 1B, I'm guessing his training program will change. Leaning more toward beefing up his strength and increasing his power. At a cost of course of speed and agility.

He could also alter his approach at the plate. Swinging for power is much different than swinging for contact. Although, I'm not sure you would want to mess with his swing, it's pretty stellar as is.

Posted on November 11, 2013 at 1:20 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 17

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