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Experiencing The Stadium

September 13, 2008 11:56 PM

Sunshine and high humidity led to sweating and baseball at Yankee Stadium today, and it was a great experience. I am truly glad I went.

Though I'm back in Minneapolis, I only have enough time to give some quick impressions. Many of you have probably been there and can back me up (or not).

The place is pretty impressive, but nowhere near as iconic up close as it is in photographs or on TV. It's a stadium, with all of the very familiar hoopla surrounding it, and it's just kind of worn out. The concourses are terribly cramped, the seats are faded and rusty, the amenities are squeezed into spaces much too small.

I think that if I were a Yankee fan (which I was for just this one day -- left a bad taste in my mouth, and not just because they stunk up the place), I would have preferred that they rebuild on the same site rather than moving up the road.

There was a time when the Red Sox had HOK design a Fenway clone which could be built just to the southwest of the original. But then they wised up. It would look a little like Fenway, but it wouldn't actually be Fenway. Better to gradually rebuild the original (which they have done beautifully) than to bulldoze it.

The new Yankee stadium bears some resemblance to the current, and a passing (though not exactly faithful) resemblance to the original, but it will never be "the house that Ruth built." (To be fair, old-timers say that the renovations in the 70s killed that park anyway.)

One thing that must move with the team to the new park, and probably will, is the rabidity of the fans. I sat in an upper box surrounded by people -- even kids -- who spent the whole game talking about baseball. Things like why A-Rod wasn't playing but Giambi was. Or where Joba would be next year: rotation or bullpen? And where did all these new guys come from? (The kid behind me, about 12 years old, could answer any question and talked like a 45-year-old fan. Probably his dad.)

I also heard it on the subway, and at the Sbarro stand out at the airport where the cashier, seeing my hat, asked me what had happened in the game. When he heard that Mussina got rocked, he just shook his head. Then he muttered some unkind words about Sidney Ponson, who was scheduled to start the second game.

I guess that The Team makes The Fan, and they, together with History, make The Stadium a special place.

It's the direct connection to History that you lose by moving up the road, but if the other elements hold strong, I suppose there will be plenty of new History created over time.

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I was at Yankee in July to watch the Twins twice (got free tix through a friend with season tickets), and sat in the lower level behind the plate and parallel with 3rd. I also noted the elevated knowledge of the average fan, and was impressed by their attention to the game. This was refreshing, as I sometimes notice the boredom of the average fan at the dome, which is understandable. But like you said, the stadium itself was not the only element in creating the experience, it was the presence of educated fans. I hope we can approach that level at the new ballpark.

Posted on September 14, 2008 at 02:35 AM by ace Highlight this comment 1

TARGET FIELD!!!!!!!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 08:53 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 2

TARGET FIELD!!!!!!!!! MAZ, you beat me to it!!!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 08:57 AM by Locker Highlight this comment 3

Just got the email from the Twins on Target Field.

Pros:
1. Target won't be going out of business anytime soon.
2. Doesn't sound overly weird.
3. What's in a name? We are outside in less than 2 years!
Cons:
1. Same as Target Center (maybe we should get Target to sponsor the entire warehouse district?)
2. Sounds kind of weird.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 08:59 AM by skoalvikings Highlight this comment 4

ha i know i was thinking im gonna try to post it first.. just like a lil kid lol...

We need to come up with a nickname, how about "the bullseye"..?

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:00 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 5

you guys are fast!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:00 AM by Tim Highlight this comment 6

Thank god they didnt name it after milk

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:14 AM by Erik Highlight this comment 7

Uggh...I don't like it. I was hoping for 'Wheaties Field'.

How much money does Target have tied up in naming rights within a 2 block radius?? ARe we the only city with the same company owning the naming rights to multiple stadiums??

Still excited for the new digs, but I guess I'm disappointed.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:18 AM by Excited Highlight this comment 8

I guess this means that the "TARGET PLAZA" will be a sort of bridge between the two sports facilities, and there's a chance it could end up being a nice transition between First Ave and the park. An even nice step would be a movement to get Target Center's exterior to look more "in line" with the new park (and the 21st Century)...that'd be nice.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:46 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 9

you're right, it creates a synergy for the area. i don't have a problem with the name, target's a great locally based corp.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:49 AM by Tim Highlight this comment 10

How long does Target have the naming rights for Target Center locked up? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they let that one go as soon as they contractually can. A baseball park is far higher profile and better known among casual fans (and non-fans) than a basketball arena, and in particular, the Wolves get zero national exposure thanks to their traditional ineptitude, whereas the Twins get about as much national attention as one could ever expect for a Midwestern team that isn't the Cubs...

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:49 AM by Sam Highlight this comment 11

as far as I'm aware, this is the only case in the US of one company having the rights to two seperate sports facilities. there are cases where a company has a building in two different cities (American Airlines in Miami and Dallas) but this is the ONLY example of two in one market.

... such a 'meh' choice... except that the outside of the building looks so much like Target's Northern Campus in Brooklyn Park that perhaps they got confused.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:52 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 12

I like Target Field to be honest. I do hope however that they don't demand a great big Target Bullseye right above the main entrance as you approach on the 6th St bridge as I think that wouldn't look too good. I hope they make it classy. I do like that Target is going to work with the Twins and the ballpark authority to make the connection to downtown work well. I must admit I also thought of calling it "the bullseye." Time will tell!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:52 AM by jpberka Highlight this comment 13

Target Field is better then best buy park.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 09:59 AM by Jaredw Highlight this comment 14

Target Field - BARF!

It should have been called Land O'Lakes Field

Dumb greedy bastards...

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:10 AM by TIM! Highlight this comment 15

Target Field. I am a bit surprised that they nabbed it, considering they already have the Target Center across the street, but all in all, it's not bad.
I'm not so sure about the Bullseye though. There's got to be some better options for nicknames out there.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:11 AM by Chris Highlight this comment 16

Tim, would you say anyone that paid for it would be considered a "dumb greedy bastard?"

I'm really surprised that the other local corporations didn't get in on this. Target is really cementing themselves as the face of the Minneapolis downtown area. Seems like a smart move in my book.

Land O' Lakes field would have sounded cooler (aka "the tub") but were they even in the hunt? It would be ridiculous to ridicule Target for getting the rights over a company that didn't even try.

The Target Plaza sounds pretty nifty though. Maybe their goal was to create a true sports part of downtown by defining a common theme: Target.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:29 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 17

So is Target going to add money to the pot for the plaza?

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:33 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 18

Next up, Target Stadium for the Vikings. ;)

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:34 AM by Chris Highlight this comment 19

Get the pronounciation correct: Tar-zshay Field. And if we're going French, then bring back Jacques Jones!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:41 AM by Garrett Highlight this comment 20

Does anyone else think Target should fork out the extra money to throw a retractable roof on this thing? They could even put a huge Bullseye logo right on top of it.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:42 AM by Chris Highlight this comment 21

Will the retractable roof thing ever stop?! It will never be, ever.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:49 AM by Jaredw Highlight this comment 22

chris, absolutely not. roofs do not belong on baseball parks and structurally there is not a way to add it at this stage in the construction.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:51 AM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 23

There is no way a retractable roof could be added now anyways (a good thing in my opinion). Would have had to be worked into the design from the beginning. Target Field, not a bad name, and will grow on people as it becomes part of the local lexicon like Excel Center, Target Center, etc.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM by B Highlight this comment 24

Anyone know who owns or manages the Target Center? I will gladly email them to find out if any exterior remodels are in the works.

And btw get ready for either "the bullseye" or "the spot." There's no way around it. I can see it on Baseball Tonight already:
Karl Ravich: "Our in-game update takes us to the Bullseye...and Justin Morneau...oh boy, that's over the bleachers in right, EY?"
Eric Young: "Who ever works on the 26th floor of the big brown building will have a souvenir on their desk tomorrow!
Karl Ravich: "Kruky, is that a Target suit you're wearing?"
John Kruk: "I wish. I think that ball just landed in Rochester!"
Fernando Vina: "Say hello...to ma lil friend!"

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM by JohnK Highlight this comment 25

How the heck does that make financial sense for Target? I know there is a huge advertising and branding opportunity with the BASE jumpers and skydivers that frequent the air space over the new ballpark. Not to mention the fact that adding a roof has been a dead issue for about 12 months now.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:09 AM by Chris Highlight this comment 26

One good thing out of this: Target should be able to pony up the extra money to connect the plaza to First Avenue. After all, it is connecting to their "Center". I am getting sick of looking at the Bridge To Nowhere (non-Alaska version).

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:09 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 27

No, the retractable roof thing will never stop. I knew that comment would be met with criticism, but I just HAD to throw it out there.

But I'm sure we will hear complaints every single time a game is rained or snowed out.

I originally thought it was a bad idea to build it without a roof, but I have since come to terms with it.

I know there is no way to add it at this phase, and I am very excited about the overall design of the park. I can't wait to have outdoor baseball!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:10 AM by Chris Highlight this comment 28

Target Field is a very appropriate name. A ballpark named after a discount store, housing a team made of discounted players. I'm just sick, what a stupid name.

Can Target at least contribute a !$##$ second webcam??????

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 29

Well, I guess it's better to name it after Wall-Mart Junior than Best Buy, but so much for that "ultimate marriage." This name is so frickin' lame.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 30

It makes financial sense for Target to get rights to a baseball stadium, because there's going to be at least 81 games there every year... translating to more TV time, more marketing opportunities and more chances for the bullseye to be plastered all over highlight reels.

I love football, but it really doesn't make as much sense for a corporation to name a football stadium - which gets 8-10 home games a year. Baseball allows for a lot more exposure when embarking on a naming rights agreement. From a strategic standpoint, I think Target made a smart move...and this park is going to be a beauty downtown.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:24 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 31

And I suppose they'll mow their stupid bullseye logo onto the outfield grass too.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:26 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 32

"But I'm sure we will hear complaints every single time a game is rained or snowed out."

Well, knock it off! And everyone else can knock it off as well! Other cities get rained and snowed out! This is life. It happens in Chicago, it happens in Saint Louis, it happens in Kansas City, it happens in Cleveland, it happens in Detroit! Only Milwaukee has a retractable roof in this region and I would take our new park over theirs any day of the week! It is truly time to get over the roof and face the facts that real baseball parks in real cities occasionally cancel baseball games due to weather! At least downtown, there will be plenty of warm bars for fans to sit in and drink while they wait.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:28 AM by jpberka Highlight this comment 33

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, Target Field. http://www.startribune.com/local/28389409.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUX

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 08:53 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 34

Don't encourage them Kevin.

So should we call this place Killebrew Field or Puckett Park instead?

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:34 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 35

I love how the rumor that Target is a French company persists... amusing.

The jokes for headlines write themselves...

"Target Practice" etc

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 36

I hope Target's slogan proves to be true - "Expect more. Pay less." See ya'll at "The Bullseye"!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:38 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 37

Thanks Dale.....I think I just threw up in my mouth.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:41 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 38

Lafferty,

I have no idea what to call it, but I know I won't be refering to it as Target Field. I'll probably just call it the ballpark since it's the only one in the Twin Cities.

One thing is for sure, Target will be able to pass out free sunscreen and umbrellas for all the weather whiners out there.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:43 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 39

Sorry Kevin - need a breathmint?

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:44 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 40

I did a 4:00 AM feeding and then went to sleep. I just got up. Did I miss anything?

And, for the record, Andrew broke the news first at 8:53 AM, but his comment included a link so it wasn't released until I could read it (to make sure it wasn't Vioxx or some other damn thing).

Target Field. What can I say?

Predictable. Boring. Un-baseball. In short, yuk.

Still, they could have done worse. At least it's not a bank or insurance company.

There's my first -- sleepy -- reaction.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM by Rick 41

Thanks Dale, I just drank some Pepto.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 42

The more I think about it, I wish they at least would have called it "T----t Park". "Field" reminds me of football, like Ford Field in Detroit, or Qwest Field in Seattle.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 43

Say OG, does Wrigley Field make you think of football? How about Coors Field? Safeco Field?

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:56 AM by jpberka Highlight this comment 44

Target Field... Is it great? No, but it is much better than many of the alternatives: Best Buy Park, Super Valu Stadium, Gutter Helmet Colosseum or Waste Management Circus Maximus. So I guess we learn to live with it.

In the end it really doesn't matter what they call it. Its going to be one of the best parks in baseball and it appears we will have an exciting, competitive team to watch for at least the next few years.

Target Field - "We Like it Here".

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:58 AM by luckylager Highlight this comment 45

I just hope MLB will never allow corporate logos on team uniforms if you know what I mean. That's one of the reasons why I don't like soccer(click on my name for the visual link).

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:05 PM by Andy T Highlight this comment 46

I had the press release in my inbox at 7:30am but I didn't want to risk breaking the news early.

We are all very excited here in our building!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:13 PM by TGT employee Highlight this comment 47

TGT Employee,

On your lunchbreak today, if you would go atop the Ford Centre and install a 2nd webcam, I will vow to never shop at Walmart again.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:15 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 48

The naming rights story on the Twins site is a bit more informative than the Strib article (click me)

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:16 PM by luckylager Highlight this comment 49

'target field of minnesota'

where is the stylistic swagger in the name 'target field'? was hoping the name would keep in step w/ the artistic penache the design the park has. 'target field' is a snorrible name.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:22 PM by yeahklye Highlight this comment 50

that's because you'll get free tickets while the rest of us have to shell out $$$. But seriously I hope the fact that Target has the money to shell out on naming rights means that they can still afford to keep their headquarters downtown...

OG, I agree -- Target Park is better or "TarPar" as I call it. "TarField" doesn't make it sound very attractive...

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:22 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 51

We don't get free tickets to even T-wolves games so I doubt that we would get free (or even discounted) tickets to the Twins.

And Kevin, if I could go install a second webcam, I would.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM by TGT employee Highlight this comment 52

DSP updated his blog..It's just more fluff about the deal with Target.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 53

Considering Target's HQ will be visable from a very outdoor ballpark named after Target, you'd think they'd want their HQ to remain exactly where it is.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 54

"The team considered a variety of options - some corporate and even going with a non-corporate name. The bottom line was this: Minnesota's new ballpark was going to be given a name which fans across Twins Territory could embrace."

What a bunch of crap. So Twins brass, let me get this straight. You could've named OUR park something cool like Killebrew Field or Northern Lights Park, but decided that Target frickin' Field was something that Twins fans would "embrace?" Why would you even tell us that you were considering a non-corporate name?

How exactly did you think we'd "embrace" this? Oh boy, a souless corporation that sells a bunch of cheap crap from China won the naming rights, happy day.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:47 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 55

The Multi-foods tower a.k.a (Ugly big Brown Building blocking Pretty Wells Fargo Building) houses a large chunk of Target offices. Perhaps Target will take some initiative and beautify that building so it looks a little better? New lighting on the building at night would be a good start.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:49 PM by Jon Highlight this comment 56

jpberka,

Thanks for the correction. I'm aware of other baseball venues that are named "Field". I guess my opinion was formed when I visited Fenway park as a teenager, and took a tour...the guy we knew worked for the Red Sox at the time and started by telling me "People play baseball in a park. They don't play baseball in a stadium. That's grotesque."

Obviously it was a shot at the Yankees - but it's stuck with me. "Field" isn't wrong, I just prefer "Park".

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 12:53 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 57

Oh No! The Twins didn't name it what you wanted. Quit crying about it. There is nothing wrong or outright awful about Target Field.

Talk about dramatics.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 1:25 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 58

Target Field isn't the coolest name, but it could be so much worse. As corporations go, there are few as admirable as Target -lots of community outreach and philanthropy. Plus, it's local, and I actually shop there all the time. I'd gladly pay the extra few dollars there than shop at armpits like WalMart. Plus, Target is an actual word (as opposed to an over-the-top-no-question-about-it Corporate Name)

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM by okay with it Highlight this comment 59

lafferty, when was the last time you shopped anywhere? everything comes from overseas. i like how you call them a "souless" corporation even though they give millions of dollars back to communities each week (i believe it's 5% of their income). if you ask me, that's the type of corporation that i would want being associated with the twins, an organization that does a lot to help out communities.

as for city center, target only leases offices there and i've heard rumors that when their lease is up, they are hoping to have a new building downtown near their current building to house all those people. whoever owns city center better pony up the dough to upgrade at least that facade.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 2:04 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 60

OG, I TOTALLY agree that baseball should not be played in a stadium. The word stadium should NEVER be associated with the Twins new home. However, when I went to Wichita State University (known for baseball), we had a ballpark with a more complext name: Eck Stadium at Tyler Field. The stadium had a corporate name of a local auto dealer (who happens to be a felon) with a field named after someone in the community. Why couldn't the Twins consider this? Yes, it is Target Field, and I am fine with that. How about calling it Twins Park at Target Field? I like the ring of that.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 2:25 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 61

"Baseball should not be played in a stadium."

Wha??? My entire young baseball life was spent at Metropolitan STADIUM.

I think everyone needs to chill out and get used to it. Target is a fine company and credit to the area.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 62

what's george carlin's take on baseball vs. football? (see link)

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:00 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 63

I think we just dub this place the bullseye, whether they want it or not (because Target Field just doesn't have the zzzzing it needs). We have the "Barn" at the UofM, OSU has the Horeshoe, why not the Bullseye?

I made a little logo.

Cory Hollenhorst's Twins Stadium Name Concept

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:10 PM by cory Highlight this comment 64

Cory,

Turn the middle of the Target logo into a baseball and then you'll have it!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:13 PM by Rick 65

All I can say is wow. This annoucement seems much more "major" than that "major announcement" the Twins made last week at Target Center regarding the bid for the 2014 game.

Also, it will be interesting to see what kind of logo they develop for this ballpark. I wonder if it will be similar to the Target Center logo (click link)? I hope its a different type of logo, but I also like the simplicity of the Target Center logo. Very ordinary and simple, which I like.

As for the name Target Field, I think it will be a good name. It's just a little different right now and will take some time to adjust to. I am happy to see the Twins avoided the financial and telecommunications sector.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM by Luke H. Highlight this comment 66

"Twins Park at Target Field" I actually like this a lot. The name even lends an air of classiness. This would be very redeeming.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:17 PM by Kai Highlight this comment 67

Rick - i like that...seems on a baseball running through there! I'll give that a try.

I was also thinking of the name "Bullseye Ballpark @ Target Field" Luke H. I like the classiness of that. Kinda Like Coach K Court at Cameron Indoor Stadium.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:21 PM by cory Highlight this comment 68

Yeah, I like the sound of Puckett Park at Target Field or whatever...

The Bullseye is a great name. I'm sold - nice Illustrator work, Cory.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:27 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 69

I understand that some people find the idea of "Target Field" boring, and I would like a more classy name as I mentioned before, but I do like the idea that the Target HQ sits out there beyond the outfield. Imagine ESPN doing a game of the week, the blimp overhead, and they take this panoramic shot of the field lit up like a beacon in the night, with the beautiful top of the Target HQ glowing in the night sky in the forefront. Of course they'd mention what the building represents because it is good marketing sense. It would say "This is Minnesota and our ballpark is named after a Minnesota company, not some fly-by-nighty operation." Just be glad we didn't name it Enron Field!!!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:35 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 70

Agreed, jpberka. It is a Minnesotan company (that operates downtown), and Target does do a great job of branding. Also, as annoying customer pointed out, they do a lot of good in the community as well as employing thousands of Minnesotans. It's not the best choice, but certainly not the worst.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 71

I know Target Field isn't what people were hoping for, but I think it could potentially have a very positive affect on and for the new ballpark in terms of upgrades to Target Plaza, the connection to 1st Avenue and so on.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:48 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 72

nice work cory. but, be careful. there is probably some overpaid target "branding wunderkind" on rick's site right now stealing your quality work above for the "the bullseye at target field" logo who will most definitely try to pawn it off on his own over at target hq in some meeting over the next couple months!

throw a baseball in the middle of the logo as suggested, trademark it for yourself and then make sure you gets paid brotha! :-)

i will be honest. i really thought all of the signs over the last few years at the metrodome were pointing to best buy being the one. perhaps best buy is holding out to be the naming rights partner for the new vikings stadium on the other side of downtown??

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:49 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 73

Betaband...i have proof on this blog as long as it stays up that it's my idea...as well as some timestamped files, but I don't care, I can cause a stir if I really want to if it ever gets there...I am just having fun.

I just like the idea of having an iconic stadium name like "the Bullseye". I think that would really be great. I can hear Jon Miller and Joe Morgan on the first night on ESPN starting the broadcast with "Tongiht, live from the BULLSEYE in Minneapolis, it;s the Twins versus the (AL TEAM)..."

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:58 PM by cory Highlight this comment 74

Rick....i crudely tried seams...I got too busy to do a good job, but I think it gets too busy. But whatever, it's always fun to think of stuff like this.

Cory Hollenhorst's Twins Stadium Name Logo Concept

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 3:52 PM by cory Highlight this comment 75

What is the name of their dog? Spot? See Spot run. I suppose Spot will be the mascot of take your dog to the ballgame day at Target Field.

No, it's not the greatest name and yes as others have said it could have been worse. But it could have been better and a little more imaginative. Let us bitch about it for a few days and then we'll calm down.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 76

MPLS/St. Paul Business Journal has a more complete story on the decision. Click my name...It shouldn't be password-protected.

Also, my vote goes to the first icon cory. Nice work. Also check my eralier post for a very similar ESPN-programming prediction. (about 9:30 this morning.) Funny!

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 4:19 PM by JohnK Highlight this comment 77

touché JohnK - I guess that's just proof that this name is inevidble to catch on.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 4:33 PM by cory Highlight this comment 78

Thanks JohnK. I found this excerpt intereating:

Meanwhile, Target’s naming-right agreement for Target Plaza will
give the company significant input on the design of that space.
Target and the Twins will contribute $8 million toward plaza
enhancements.

As a result, the plaza will be extended to First Avenue and
feature “more seating, more canopies providing shade, the
potential for some public art and some other iconic features that
really create a dynamic public gathering on game days, and perhaps
more importantly, not on game days,” St Peter said.

Minneapolis Mayor RT Rybak also announced last week that he has
included $3 million for ballpark district enhancements in his 2009
budget proposal.

So that's $11 million for plaza and street work. I'm encouraged. It's good to see that people are at least talking about the atmosphere on non-game days. After all, that's what most days are, unfortunately.

I like Target Field better than Best Buy Park. I'm a little surprised to see folks heap such praise on Target and their community work. Yes, they give money, but so do lots of other corporations. And those other corporations didn't try to single-handedly kill transit funding in the Twin Cities. Oh, the irony of sponsoring a ballpark that is also a transit hub...

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 5:16 PM by David Highlight this comment 79

David,

Can you expand on Target "killing" the transit funding in the twin cities? I have not heard anything of this and that doesn't seem too believeable.

-Roger

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 5:30 PM by Roger Highlight this comment 80

I have it on good authority that Target was the prime instigator behind the MN Chamber's opposition to the transportation bill. Specifically, they were opposed to the 1/2 cent (passed as 1/4 cent) sales tax dedicated to transit.

Target's former CEO is a well-known anti-transit ideologue. Let's hope the new regime is more sensible.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 6:08 PM by David Highlight this comment 81

I am sure they will have a bullseye in the outfield for HR's to hit.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 6:15 PM by NOOOO Highlight this comment 82

NOOOO,

Oh, I hope not! We don't need another glove, Pepsi can, milk jug, giant slide into beer or any other kitschy gimmick. We need a ballpark.

The branding can be done in better ways. Target Center (and it's "Target Center," not, "The Target Center"), for all its faults, at least doesn't scream TARGET, INC. all over the place.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 6:32 PM by David Highlight this comment 83

the bullseye would be better than the subway banner with a net we have now over the baggie.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 6:42 PM by annoying customer Highlight this comment 84

I belive the naming rights deal on Target Center was for 15 years and that was done sometime at or around the beggining of the 90s so there cant be too much left of that deal unless a new one was signed to replace the original one. I also think and I know someone around here can correct me if I am wrong but I think the city of Minneapolis owns the Target Center and hired someone to manage it.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 85

Okay, i'm over it. I really don't care what they call it, just so long as Reyes, Guardado, Guerrier and Crain aren't allowed in with Twins jerseys on. If they're wearing the color of the competition, by all means they are welcome in.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 9:22 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 86

i was hoping for premium park, like miller park, but i like the idea of Puckett Park at Target Field

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:09 PM by Sujan Highlight this comment 87

So because I live in Alaska and just getting off from work I'm the last one to get the news. Target Field. Nope. Don't like it. Next to Target Center it seems redundant and repetitive. It'll most likely catch on but at least I have 18 months to warm up to it before opening day. Ultimately, I'm just disappointed they went with the cheesy corporate naming rights. Didn't they get my idea submission not to do that??? I'm sure we all have a good idea where those all ended up. Yes, it could be worse: Lehman Field. We could call it "The Lame".

So that $8M going into Target Plaza, is that going to make the place (or the whole park) look like it has chicken pox?

Our first Target is about to open up next month here in Anchorage. My guess is that's where the $8M is going to come from. That place is expected to be a mad house when the doors open.

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 10:20 PM by chuck in AK Highlight this comment 88

OK, Lets start the Multifoods Tower beautification committee. Please feel free to add.

Paul's Ballpark Pic

Posted on September 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM by Paul Highlight this comment 89

i thought i came up with "the bullseye" you mean im not going to get paid from that

Posted on September 16, 2008 at 08:53 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 90

Well, Target Field is interesting, I think. One of the things I heard today, is that the naming rights deal for Target Center is up in 2010, the same year Target Field opens. Target and the T-Wolves have had a good relationship, but if the Wolves can get more money from Cargill or 3M or some company like that, Target will be out the door. Of course, then, the whole thing will seemingly be out the window, as it wont make much sense to have Cargill Center, Target Plaza and Target Field. the whole thing will seem to be a wash. Cargill Center does have a nice ring to it though.

Posted on September 21, 2008 at 6:14 PM by Luke Highlight this comment 91


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Also from the B ramp entrance off of Third, a look up at the tiny crack between ballpark and parking ramp



Emergency access viewed in context



This is the LRT bridge under construction as viewed from the east looking west. The ballpark facade would be at the left in this photo.



This mural is behind the staircase. The window looks onto the promenade, and the door goes to a kitchen.



Lower deck view of the out-of-town scoreboard.



A view straight on of the Pro Shop area and ticket windows (just barely visible). The piers you see beneath the plaza are already almost completed (see final photo).



Trees also have sprouted near the topiaries



Um, I think that guy is out.



These are the outside tracks which go under the promenade



First, an overview. The base of the plaza here will meet the base of Sixth Street at Second Avenue.



Town Ball Tavern balcony



The lights went on, and it was a Good Thing



Night (about the 7th inning)



It was in and then quickly out of his glove. You gotta make that play.






Met Stadium on May 17, 1975 (Twins vs. Brewers featuring Hank Aaron)









Nearby, workers are finishing a support column. The guy at the bottom is using some sort of personal dirt mover (inset). Very cool.



Cross section diagram of the field structure. (Click to enlarge.)



Clyde Doepner's Met Stadium Memorabilia (Source: LP)



Hardware in the window! (But why are there three trophies? 1924?)



Look closely at the overhang. You'll see the on the right it is flush with the fence, and then it sticks out farther and farther as you move toward center. More fun for Michael Cuddyer.



I took this picture just moments before Morneau's homer landed almost exactly where I had been standing. If only I hadn't wanted to watch the game...



Very nice Admin glass.












Reasonable (if not overly generous) leg room






Met Stadium seat colors (click for the complete image)



Uh oh. Schizophrenia.






Dan Kenney provided this alternate shot of a walkway behind the view level



Gate 29 "Carew" is at right.












Through the windows of the Metropolitan Club you can see one of the displays of Met Stadium memorabilia.






Believe it or not, the actual outfield wall will be about where this fence is now!






The Northstar circulation building is starting to take shape.






Replays on the out-of-town scoreboard!






Plaza seating installation






A detailed crowd shot. Click to enlarge greatly.





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BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

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HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

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MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

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