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June 8, 2009 12:53 AM

The mass media coverage of the topping off ceremony was quite extensive, as you know. Here are a few bits and pieces that I've been collecting to go with it.

I discovered this video on my DVR. It's a preview of the topping-off ceremony which ran on the Friday morning Fox 9 news program. It's interesting mostly because it includes a lot of B-roll footage from a previous tour. This is the stuff they shoot just to have around in case they need something to complement a story, and it generally never sees the light of day. There are some brief views shown here which haven't been seen before.

Here are a few articles that are not specifically related to the topping off, but appeared around the same time:

D'Amico Cucina closing

20 years ago I took a date to this place. It cost me $150 (that's about $275 in 2009 dollars) and was a generally miserable experience. (I'm a burger and fries kind of guy, and this is a "big plate, tiny food" kind of place. She picked it. We broke up not too long after.) But the closing is interesting now because it opens up space for something a little more fan-friendly and maybe even street-friendly. The space is located on the Sixth Street side of Butler Square, adjacent to the plaza walkway, and there looks to be room for outdoor dining.

Allenspach column: St. Peter worked his way up with Twins

This is from the St. Cloud Times, and it's a very casual interview with Dave St. Peter (who married his former boss at the North Stars!) which contains a few tidbits you may enjoy.

Will Minnesota Twins' new home be as sweet as Metrodome?

This is from a Cleveland news source. There have been lots of articles like this -- basically one for every team which has visited the Dome so far this season. This one is interesting because it's essentially an interview with Gardy.

Flag Pole Confirmation

Not that I ever doubted it, but I came across this juicy flag pole confirmation while doing some Met Stadium research at the Hennepin County Historical Society this week. It's from the Richfield Sun-Current on June 3, 1985.

Thank Fred Primo for new flag pole
By Mark Johnson

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Don Swanson, left, in-coming commander of the Richfield American Legion, and Joe Kennedy, right, out-going commander, are pictured with the Legion's new flag pole, which once stood at old Metropolitan Stadium. (Click to enlarge.)

You can thank Fred Primo that a 100-foot flag pole from old Metropolitan Stadium now graces the front lawn of the Richfield American Legion Post No. 435, 6501 Portland Ave.

Primo, manager of the Legion, went down to the stadium site in Bloomington shortly after work was begun on dismantling the old Met.

"There was a contractor from Omaha there and I asked him for the pole," said Primo last week. "There were a few people who wanted it. We thought it was appropriate that we have it."

So, to make a long story short, for $1,500 Primo got it.

A short parade and dedication service marked the flag pole's debut on Memorial Day. Perkins donated a huge American Flag to fly on the pole.

A minor panic ensued last week when the flag tore slightly in a high wind following a thunderstorm. The flag was removed, taken out for repair and returned to its 100-foot perch the next day.

Sorry for the low-quality camera phone picture, but it's all I had. I didn't expect to find anything like that when I went in there. I'm trying to find images to use in a book about Met Stadium (if you have any, please contact me), and this was in one of the clippings files.

(For those who don't know, that flag pole will be moved to Target Field, and I had a hand in making the connection between the Legion and the Twins.)

Stragglers

Finally, here are a couple of images from a recent trip down there that I forgot to publish.

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The Northstar station.


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Footings for the Seventh Street walkway from the A ramp.


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The walkway under construction in the parking lot just outside the loading dock.

Thanks for stopping by today. If you are somewhere and hear somebody talking about the ballpark, don't forget to tell them about this site. It's never too late to become a ballpark geek!

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Great job, Rick. Thank you for the continued updates!

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 09:30 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 1

Where will that walkway be located?

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 11:02 AM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 2

Lafferty,

That walkway will span 7th between the A ramp and the concourse, and apparently will be used by the people with VIP parking (my guess? the class of 61 season ticket holders and the like) to access the ballpark if memory serves.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 3

And then there was one...Large red crane coming down today and reports are that the other crane will be down in two-three weeks

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 4

what a weak video by fox, that footage must be 2 months old at least

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 11:28 AM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 5

Wouldn't it be awesome if they laid solar paneling on the crown? I was just thinking about how much the white open space up there just screams for something like that to be done. I think that would pretty much ensure our LEED certification as well.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 11:52 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 6

Speaking of parking, is there going to be reserved parking available for purchase by season ticket holders? All of them? Based on section? HBP only?

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 7

For those interested, new photo gallery of TCF Bank Stadium.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 12:34 PM by Andy Highlight this comment 8

Thanks CJ.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 12:48 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 9

IowaWigman, How did the tour go? Any exciting information to share!

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 12:53 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 10

Rick ---

Great work on dredging that old newspaper piece out. I was not aware of it - nor did I live any longer in Richfield at the time.

The story I got (I was recording secretary of the Property and Finance Board of Post 435 at the time), in regard to cost, has already been published here. And, the role the "two officers" (a commander and immediate past commander, neither of whom are those pictured) played was huge. I knew that Primo had a hand in the deal, as I wrote initially, but as far as movement, preparation, and installation it was totally a matter of dedicated members/veterans wishing to see their flag displayed as proudly as possible. That $1500 probably covered incidential costs (concrete, rope, etc.) Suffice to say that the lions share of the project was accomplished gratis and I still believe the pole itself was donated regardless of the fact that the salvage guy had a ready buyer. (As a "for instance", the pulleys were custom hand crafted by a "guy at the bar" who worked with brass.) Sadly, one of the principals is no longer with us and the status of the other two is unknown. More info may well exist in the minutes of the P & F Committee from those days but would be sketchy at best. The Post "flyer" may also include an article. If you want to get the history of this whole deal nailed down a bit better I may be able to provide some more help - but the WW II vets are fading fast.

Did you get my e-mail about Hoy and Tony-O appearing at the club to explain things?

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM by B.W. McEvers Highlight this comment 11

On the club level, on the seam between the last two sets of risers currently in place next to the admin building, there is a hole in the middle, up towards the concourse.

What on earth is that for...

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 7:06 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 12

David_Mpls: That might be the "knothole" for passerbyers to sneak a peak at the game.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 7:32 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 13

thanks for the link to the TCF Stadium pics. The one in the main concourse, is that about the same size as TF's main concourse? if so, that's gonna be huge.
I might be amiss, but the pic that is from the "last row at TCF Bank Stadium" seems to me to be about the equivalent of row 30 in the lower deck at the Dome. for the last row, that's pretty close.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 7:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 14

Camera well?

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 7:42 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 15

David_Mpls,
I see your question may have already been answered, but I don't understand what you are saying, and now I am curious, can you clarify this for me?

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM by BB Highlight this comment 16

saw Under The Lights on FSN North tonite. Missed like the first five minutes.
pretty good show - . They had a nice piece about Delaware North SportService and the concessions. It's going to be incredibly better than the Dome, I'll assure you.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 17

I though that under the lights was pretty lame. The only cool part was the interview with the head grounds keeper. Not much footage of the stadium. No ah-ha moments there.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 18

JCTwins, I know we got a parking questionnaire some time back about what our parking habits were likely to be, and if we'd like to be able to purchase game-by-game parking or have a full season parking package, etc. I haven't seen anything else about parking yet. Jacquie

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 8:54 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 19

The right field wall footage was interesting to me. I knew there was an overhang, but I guess I didn't realize it hung out that far. It could be a cool aspect...

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 8:56 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 20

Regarding the parking question - I spoke with the new ballpark team last week. Plans are still in flux, but it seems like the plans aren't going to be any better than the existing plans. There is supposed to be some sort of reserved parking for Legend's Club members, but I don't know how this will work since none of the parking is owned by the Twins.

For those interested in seat selection - selection for the 40 game plans is underway and is scheduled to be finished Friday, 6/19.

20 game plan selection appointments begin 6/22.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 9:12 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 21

hm... click my link - i wonder if they'll do anything with it.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 9:22 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 22

Taking the Kirby seat to tf is interesting for the sole reason that he didn't hit that home run in target field, he hit it in the dome. Then on the other hand, once the twins leave the dome it will seem a little out of place to have it there even though the twins are gone. I personally think that they should take it out it should go in the Puckett atrium where you can sit in it and take pictures etc.

I'm also sure this has been mentioned and discussed on this site before so my idea is probably me subconsciously regurgitating someones idea.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 9:35 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 23

It would be cool if they took it to Target Field and put it somewhere where people can see it as a memory...

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 9:40 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 24

I know a couple conversations I've had with Kevin Smith, the Twins will most definitely take the seat to TF. Where it will be placed, is yet unknown.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 9:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 25

BB,
From Cam 1, look at the Skyline Deck. Along the line where sections "T" and "U" meet, approximately 3/4 of the way up from the bottom. There is a square area that is open to below. Would there be a stairwell from the Main Concourse?

It makes no sense to be a "knothold" as it would be along the ceiling line of the main concourse, and you would have to look up through it...

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 10:04 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 26

i agree it's a little out of place but hopefully not forgotten :)

I may have seen it discussed before, now that you mention it billymays lol but my blonde head can't keep up :p

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 10:06 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 27

Jax,

From what you said, I am guessing they are coordinating with Ramps A and B to offer some parking package. Perhaps a limited contract, or some sort of validation system.

The only parking the Twins would own would be the parking lot between 3rd Ave and the train tracks. I would presume that would be player and staff parking.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 10:07 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 28

David_Mpls,

The notch you see separates the Legend's Club seating (on the left) from the Skyline Deck (on the right). Check out the animated seating tool over on the Twins site for details (including ticket prices).

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM by Rick 29

Oops, David_Mpls, I didn't read your second description before posting.

That square is not in the design, so I suspect it's just a construction artifact of some sort. It will probably disappear.

Can't rule out that it's a connection to the main concourse, but I think that's unlikely.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 10:30 PM by Rick 30

billymayshere - yeah it was discussed but a long time ago. I really like your idea of the seat going in the Puckett Atrium, I hope it ends up there.

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 10:46 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 31

David_Mpls,
Thanks, I now see what we are looking at. :)

Posted on June 8, 2009 at 11:01 PM by BB Highlight this comment 32

It looks like they are doing some close work of the lower level concourse on the first base side. I wonder if those seats will start going in soon as well...

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 08:55 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 33

i know its been debated, but i just don't like the look of that "moat" of high dollar seats behind the plate the twins wanted.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 09:15 AM by tim Highlight this comment 34

Ballpark designs are certainly subject to fashion, and those moats are fashionable right now.

But they reduce the flexibility of the team in setting prices, and they set up ugly TV images like what's happening in New York right now (and elsewhere, like Seattle, if Sunday's game was typical).

Long term, supply and demand will resolve the pricing for those seats, and/or the teams will figure out how to fill them even if they are not sold (TV shows need audiences, and tickets to the Tonight Show have been free for decades).

Rush lines? Lottery-like upgrade promos? Airline-style pricing based on demand? Papering the house (theater lingo for giving away large blocks of unsold seats)?

I think this design feature will turn out to be more work than it's worth and the moats will slowly disappear. The best seats will, of course, always be the most expensive, but they won't be quite as segregated as the moats force.

I do consider this to be one of the (few) missteps in the design of Target Field, but given the timing, there was no way the Twins would have built the place without a moat.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 09:35 AM by Rick 35

I love Target Field, but I agree with Tim, I can't stand the "moat" either. They are, what, $275? This pales in comparison to Yankee Stadium prices for the same seats, but that is still a heck of a lot of money for one ballgame. I have a feeling that there will be blocks of empty seats behind the plate, similar to YS.

On another note, the limestone looks awesome behind the plate, as does the "Target Field" logo. I just hope we actually see it during games. It seems like every other ballpark has ads plastered behind the plate, so you see little, if any, of the actual backstop. Maybe because Target is THE sponsor, there won't be any other ads back there clogging up the view of the limestone?

But these are minor "complaints". I still can't believe that we are getting two new beautiful facilities (TCF and TF) starting this fall. Going from the dome to TCF and TF is going to be almost too good to actually believe.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 09:38 AM by crfire163 Highlight this comment 36

I know someone talked about the countdown clock that is posted here and the assumption is that it'll be April 12 or so (hence the 307 days). The link I posted is a fan's clock as of today. Didn't the Twins hand these out?

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 10:15 AM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 37

why the need for a wall there? the moat extends farther down the lines then I thought it would. for me it's just i prefer a clean look to the lower deck. but you're right, it's really one of the few minor flaws, and fans with tickets in those sections are paying for the bells and whistles. the bulk of the park is essentially complete and it's going to be a destination for baseball fans if only because of its intimacy which lends itself to excellent sightlines.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 10:20 AM by tim Highlight this comment 38

I agree tim,

I don't care for the moat or the "split-deck" design.

The moat wouldn't be as bad if it didn't extend so far down the lines, but those are definitely the two latest trends you see in ballparks.

Maybe the split-deck will eventually catch on with me, but I just don't think its hype is built up to what most people think of it.

Yes, it will allow for more room and provide some added shelter from the elements, but as Rick has previously discussed, you will not be able to see the playing field from the split-deck unless you are standing near the edge.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 39

Can start to see seats on webcam 1........

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:01 PM by BB Highlight this comment 40

I fail to see what's so bad about the split upper deck. Seriously, it's not much different than the "split" walkway upper decks at Anaheim, Miller Park, Coors Field, etc. If fact, Target Field won't have to worry about staircase railings in front of the sections blocks views.

As for the moat, the wall annoys me, but I have no problem with the walkway itself. Lots of old ballparks had a central aisle running parallel with the field, with box seats below and regular seating above. It makes shifting aisles/sections easier.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM by Dodgeboy Highlight this comment 41

I would give up my season tickets if they could dump delmon young for anything... he is so annoying to watch... kudos to Tampa for a great move

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:13 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 42

I agree with Maza. Delmon looks just lost at the dish. I really thought the trade was good at the time, but I certainly think otherwise now. I hope Delmon only shows his face in an opponent's uniform next year at TF.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:30 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 43

Split upper deck is fine with me. When I toured a couple months ago, it made a lot of sense. The moat is sort of lame...I wonder how much of it is a design feature to separate the nice seats VS. being able to move people along without blockages in the aisles.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 44

Ribbon boards appear to be complete on the club deck facing.

Delmon needs to go to AAA. No team will trade value for him right now. Better to let him regain confidence against inferior pitchers for a while.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 45

Negotiating with Billy Smith is like taking candy from a baby. So far his trades have been terrible.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:35 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 46

Delmon Young doesnt have any options, so he cannot be sent to AAA...its either keep him on the roster, or release him, which would make that trade look even worse!

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:53 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 47

Young is only 23... most guys aren't even in the bigs at 23... that's part of it.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 12:55 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 48

Bill Smith is the Mike Lynn of Baseball. Can Someone say Herschall Walker trade?

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM by CTM Highlight this comment 49

Twins have new pictures posted...There's two galleries, here is the link to number 1

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM by BB Highlight this comment 50

Here's the link to number 2

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM by BB Highlight this comment 51

Thanks BB!

Very nice to see some new photos of the batter's eye, scoreboard/video board control room, weight room, admin offices, and party deck.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 1:38 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 52

Thought the Budwieser sign would be more of a neon type sign but from those pictures is does not look like it.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 2:15 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 53

CTM,

I'm no Billy Smith fan as evidenced by my many posts. But I would not put him in Mike Lynn's class quite yet. The Delmon Young trade pales in comparison to the H. Walker trade which single handedly crippled the Vikings draft position for years and transformed the Dallas Cowboys from a 1 win team to a decade long superbowl contender. There are some similarities though. The trade no doubt aided the Rays climb to the pennant - but the AL East is so competitive that I doubt that the Rays will be there again come season's end. But yeah, it would be nice to have Garza in the rotation (even though he's a major prick) and Harris at SS. Is he not the leader in hitting at his position? I thought I heard that or read that somewhere. Given all of that, H Walker trade was far far worse.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 54

AZ Kev: I am guessing you meant Bartlett, not Harris. I am with you though. That Walker was devastating to the Purple and this will never go down like that.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 3:48 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 55

another photoless tour - from minnpost and focused on prices (click name)

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 4:25 PM by nick Highlight this comment 56

Want to read some depressing stuff? Check out TwinsGeeks fresh 3-part look at Delmon's fall from grace. School for all those who say, "we should send him down."

That budweiser sign must light up somehow.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 57

actually the split upper deck is a good idea when it comes to money as well. They didn't have to build separate concourses for the upper level and the mezzanine, or whatever they're gonna call it.
TCF Bank Stadium is that way as well. Just the main concourse, and you can either walk down to your seats, or walk up a small staircase and get to the upper deck.
walking up those stairs, and seeing the park coming into view as you go up will be a neat visual. I like the idea.
the moat doesn't bother me too much. it might provide the Twins some extra ad space in the future...who knows.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 4:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 58

thanks for posting that, nick. good stuff. never heard the Metrodome described as a "hard plastic diaphragm case". lol, classic

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 4:36 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 59

Thanks, BB, for linking to the photo galleries on the team's site.

But let's admit that these are pretty skimpy galleries, and the quality of the photos is pretty lousy. They lack, among other things, context, movement, color, composition, drama -- even just plain old clarity. It may be the cropping and compression, but some of these pix look like cell phone images!

Seems that if the Twins are going to prevent anyone else from doing some photographic documentation of the construction, they really owe it to the fans to produce attractive photos with much greater quantity and frequency.

(Then again, maybe it's only the geeks like me who'll even notice...)

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 5:42 PM by Rick 60

I almost forgot to mention that the captions are screwed up as well...

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM by Rick 61

Rick - agree with your comments on the "official photos". I hope someone is writing a book about the process of buildinga new ballpark from initial proposals to the completion of Target Field and that the Twins and the Ballpark Authority provide access to photos and info.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 62

jfh - I wouldn't be surprised. I believe the Mariners (or Marineros as we saw this last weekend) did a coffee table book about Safeco - which was all about the construction, had tons of pics and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised. The Twins have a good PR department.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 6:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 63

jfh: "I hope someone is writing a book"

That was me -- until the embargo. Now, I'm not sure I can make it work. We'll see.

luke: "The Twins have a good PR department."

Yes and no. They do a great job in the general promotion of the team. But I think they've missed some substantial opportunities where the ballpark is concerned (hence the popularity of this and other such sites).

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM by Rick 64

The Twins should have hired Rick long ago to work on this project. How much better it would be if they were cooperating instead of obstructing...

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 7:21 PM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 65

I swear a while back I read that the Twins told Populous that they wanted the overlook to be not so daring and reduced to a 4 to 5 foot overhang instead of the 8 foot overhang Populous had put into the original design plans. But on that 14 minute video the Twins guy said it was an 8 foot overhang. Anyone know what we ended up with?

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 8:05 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 66

Yes thank you dee pee, I meant Jason Bartlett...The June heat is getting to me!

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 8:26 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 67

Thanks Nick!

if i am anything i am a tightwad.. plus i lost my jon a few weeks ago so every penny counts.. good read.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 9:08 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 68

*job

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 9:09 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 69

Tom D. -

I think the original plans were for a 10 or 12 foot overhang but it was reduced to 8 feet.

I could be wrong, but I am sure the current 8 foot overhang is shorter than the original plan.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 9:11 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 70

How much better would it be if they were cooperating? It might actually get done by someone passionate about the project.

We can only hope that the ballpark authority and/or the Twins is cooperating with someone to get a history of the Twins ballpark project done. I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt until the end of 2010, though I suspect the interest for such a book won't be higher than it will be next year.

Are there any basic blueprints for Target Field available? I'd like to understand the layout of the Club level a bit more.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 10:17 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 71

jfh,

i have the blueprints right here....click my name.. some might rememeber this!

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 11:35 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 72

Maz- thanks. Was looking for copies that might be a bit easier to read. :)

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 11:40 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 73

Hey Rick,

If you want to collaborate, I've got a lot of the political skinny on the ballpark negotiations in 06 (so does shane over at greetmachine to be fair) but I'd love to get something written about TF comparable to "uncovering the dome" but better looking.

Posted on June 9, 2009 at 11:54 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 74

this is the most retarded bottom of a ninth inning i have seen in a long, long time. what a joke!

tonight's goats: alexi casilla, jesse crain, jose mijares and somehow scott baker.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 12:06 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 75

hey twins bullpen: watch how YOUR DADDY joe nathan does it. pay close attention. see that. six strikes on seven pitches and there are your final two outs to end the game.

man, i didn't think it was possible to be pissed off after a game you won in nine innings and were up 10-0 going into said ninth inning?!?!?!

wow.........

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 12:13 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 76

Wow. encouraging bullpen. at least we pulled it off, joe nathan.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 12:14 AM by BB Highlight this comment 77

Isn't this one on Gardy for leaving Baker in, approaching 100 pitches, with a 10-run lead? Isn't that the perfect spot to give Crain or some other confidence-lite reliever some work?

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 12:17 AM by Rick 78

rick - i am with bert blyleven's take on it. baker should have been pumped to go out there and get a complete game shutout. that he "should want it". instead (and bert mentioned this on the telecast) he kind of looked like he didn't even want to be out there for the ninth. that was not a good mental approach to the end of the game by baker in my opinion and perhaps set up what was a very ugly bottom of the ninth which should have been very easy.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 12:58 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 79

Yes, and my dad still thinks I should wear a crew cut and stand up straight.

It's long been known that a pitcher's effectiveness drops substantially at the 100 pitch mark. It's been true for a lot longer than people in the game have known about it (mostly because they weren't even keeping track of how many pitches were being thrown for a very long time).

I agree that I wish Baker had been pumped to go out in the 9th for the complete game shutout. But at 97 pitches, he was toast. He probably knew it, Rick Anderson probably knew it, and so did Joe Mauer (and probably the A's too).

Gardy's job is to step in, pat the kid on the ass, send in the most rested reliever (or the one who most needs the work) and get the fricking W.

I'm not against macho goals, but the net here is that Baker added three earned runs to his line, and Gardy had to use three relievers -- including his closer -- in a blowout game just to banish all of Oakland's new-found adrenaline which they never should have had.

Gardy is great. But he makes bonehead decisions sometimes.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 02:12 AM by Rick 80

Rick,
I think this one was just 1/2 bad luck and 1/2 alexi screwing up 2 outs....you have to let Baker try for a complete game... roy holiday has like 6 of them this year te twins have 0

after that 1st error by alexi he lost his mind... bt what is the relivers excuse for the walks?

man we have issues

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 03:09 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 81

That was a disgusting 9th inning but the season is still mighty young and we have yet to see the worst of this bullpen....Just hang on folks, the worst is yet to come with Billy's clowns.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 04:14 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 82

Complete game shutouts are worth double though, right? No? Oh... then who cares?

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 07:45 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 83

No problem AZ Kev. Delmon at least made some contact last night. Finally.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 08:47 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 84

Tom D: The overhang was reduced significantly, per the Twins anxiety.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 09:05 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 85

Does anyone know of what type of surface will be used on the floor in the concourse areas. Will it be just concrete, or tinted concrete slabs like they are using on Target Plaza, or even something complete different?

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 86

jeff - it will be dirt and there will also be spittoons every 20 feet in which you can spit your tobacco juice.

just being a smart ass. honestly, i have no idea. my guess is it is just concrete and maybe some more elaborate concrete work/design in specific areas throughout the park.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 12:57 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 87

Jeff - its plain old concrete. When I went on the tour on Friday I asked if what we were walking on was the final version (which was just concrete) and our tour person said that was it.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 3:04 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 88

Speaking of the tour, one cool thing I noticed (I won't have access to it because my season tickets aren't there) but for those ticket holders in the "moat", the bar/lounge area that is underneath the stands will have a window into the Twins batting cage and warming track area. Pretty cool feature if you ask me.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 3:05 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 89

looks like the lower bowl stadia was completed today...looks awesome

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 4:25 PM by Erik Highlight this comment 90

Looks like they didn't order quite enough pre-cast concrete stadia. Looks like someone needs to make a quick trip to Home Depot and pick some up so they can finish the rest of the seating bowl tonight.

Also, does anyone know what the finish of the fixtures in the bathrooms is going to be? Will they be brass, or perhaps a brushed pewter? (I'm kidding of course, I just love those types of questions on this site.)

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 4:46 PM by Dale Highlight this comment 91

Dave St. Peter walked into the HOK offices, plunked down a Kohler and said, "Design a stadium around this."

By the way, Has anyone here been to the new Bush Stadium? I'd like to know what's worth standing in line for at the concession stands.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 92

winona... the twins need to do a promo like that!

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 5:59 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 93

Rick, I disagree. The decision for Baker to finish was the right one. I'm sure they asked him how he felt nearing 100 pitches. Gardenhire along with almost every manager in the league, would have done the same thing, let him finish a complete game shutout. In doing so, giving the bullpen a night off. So when he couldn't finish it, the bullpen, with the exception of Nathan, couldn't get the job done anyway. Very frustrating end to a blowout.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 6:28 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 94

Looking at the seat selection tool, every seat from sections 104 through 121 shows selected. It's possible that is done to block any of the partial season plan holders from trying to select seats in that area (reserved for full season plans only) - does anyone know if that's true? Or have the Twins really sold out the entire main bowl?

Last time I looked a week or so back, there wasn't much left in those sections, but quite a few of the sections had the back few rows available and some scattered sets of three.

Since we're still in the 40 game plans for 10 days or so, it doesn't seem like there's going to be much left for those that want 20 game plans.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 6:56 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 95

Talked to my season tix rep. There are a few seats that were not picked. Any unselected full-season seats will remain unselected in case others interested in full season packages want to jump in at some point. They will NOT be made available to partial plan holders (I asked). Those that remain unselected by next season become single game seats.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM by Third Webcam Highlight this comment 96

Thanks. I know that those seats won't be sold to those wanting partial plans.

I'm just a little surprised that if there are any seats in those locations that the Twins would block them off unless every season ticket holder that had priority to pick a full season plan has actually picked their seats (I know there are no more new appointments for full season and I presume that everyone picked seats around their selection time, but they didn't have to)

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 7:26 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 97

I don't know...he did tell me that if I wanted to "upgrade" to full-season that I could have my pick of the remaining seats, but I would have to do it through him. My theory is that the Twins will hold on to those seats in the hope that others, befuddled by the lack of available "quality" seats, will want to upgrade. But since every seat at TF is a good one, that may be misguided thinking.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 8:14 PM by Third Webcam Highlight this comment 98

I might be in the minority, but I am going to be happy with ANY seat in Target Field next year. They might not be row 1 or row 2, but I will be happy just to be at Target Field.

I do not pick until mid-July since I am currently a flex-40 holder so I will not have many options to choose from. I am currently looking at the Home Plate View or Left Field bleachers. It will be disappointing however, if better seats remain available after the current season ticket holders select. The Twins have a history of blocking off tickets...

We need to set up a site where all of us fellow season ticket holders can swap games/seats so we can all experience different areas of the ballpark next year.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 9:17 PM by Jason Highlight this comment 99

Jason-
That's a great idea on season ticket trading. I can't believe there isn't anywhere to do so.

I would like to see those that follow this site organize some tailgating also. Free beer to Rick for all his efforts.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 9:22 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 100

I happened to be at Richfield Ice Arena today and I looked over to the West and saw the Met flagpole-that thing is big in diameter! When is that thing getting brought over to the ballpark site anyway?

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 9:35 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 101

interesting article from mpr regarding downtown development around TF/Metrodome. click!

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 10:19 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 102

I happen to like the idea of sitting in different areas of the park, so the idea of a season ticket exchange program is interesting to me. I wouldn't want it to end up being a site for sales only though.

Anyone care to provide ideas on how such a season ticket exchange site should work? I'd host a web site to do it if it didn't need to be all that complex.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 103

JFH - It's just an idea I threw out there for all of us rubes on this site. It would be something I would definitely be interested in. Obviously there will be price differences and stuff but overall, I think its worth looking into so we can all get some different experiences next year in different seats.

I also thought of another great idea, Rick should hook up with the Twins (with his contacts) and reserve one of the new group suites for us for a game or two next year. Just figure out a price and we can all send payments/reservations just like we did with the ballpark construction calendar. Is this something people would be interested in?

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 11:19 PM by Jason Highlight this comment 104

i would be down to put my seats into the pot

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 11:26 PM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 105

Here's a great way to work out the ticket trading. Meet at the flagpole before the game and trade. StubHub as already ruined scalping. Why go to the internet for this?

Some guy- Interesting article. Seems to suggest that a stadium actually impedes development due to the higher profitability of surface lots. I personally don't buy the argument of a stadium for the sake of neighborhood growth. It obviously didn't work for the dome. Just a thought.

Posted on June 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 106

I would definitely be in for this. Anyone have any idea what the cost would be on this? If they haven't sold any yet, maybe even opening day would be an option.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 12:19 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 107

DuluthTim - StubHub ruined scalping? Good. Trade tickets or otherwise share them for cost. I've already seen people trying to sell tickets and shares for Target Field over cost. One guy even had a bidding war for $18 seats, selling them for $35-$40.

While I was waiting to pick my seats, I wondered how many of the picks before me went to ticket brokers who have no intention of ever watching a game at Target Field, but rather want to captalize on the likely high demand for tickets to outdoor baseball and want to scalp true fans in the process.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 12:41 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 108

jfh- I'm not really a fan of scalping either, although sometimes it's a good way to get tickets before a game. My problem with stub hub is that it seems like the teams/concerts/whatever sell tickets directly to stub hub in order to sell them at an inflated price. It seems strange when an event immediately sells out, but then there are tickets on stub hub instantly for twice the price. I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but something seems amiss.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 01:17 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 109

i think the point is we all get together and trade tix not charge for them.. if u have some u can can have mine.. so on and so on....

like the anti stub hub

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 01:42 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 110

3rd Avenue (between Ramp A and the ballpark parking lot) is marked for closure all weekend. The pedestrian bridge over 7th Street should be in place by Monday.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 06:04 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 111

Seems to me if we made it clear that ads posting tickets for sale will be removed, and maybe even require ads be pre-approved by an administrator. The Twins would probably hate this, as it will increase usability of tickets, and decrease the number of people that say "screw it" and just leave tickets unused.

Possibly even identify people by IP and give them one warning for selling tickets, and ban them if they try again? (I don't know how web stuff like that works)

I think this would be great. I have a two pair of seats to throw in the pot.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 09:22 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 112

Another thought...we could try dry-running it for the rest of the 09 season in the dome and work out the bugs in advance.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 09:23 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 113

I like the idea of STH exchange program. My tickets next year are in section 126 row 2 and want to try out different locations during the season. I would be willing to pay the difference on the value of the exchange but not just going to exchange for low value tickets for nothing. We should set up something.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 09:31 AM by jincr Highlight this comment 114

Seat installation has started in left field, but you don't have to take my word for it. See webcam 1 for more details.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 11:33 AM by Reckoner Highlight this comment 115

Wednesday, June 24th, 2009 at 1:30 pm the Ballpark Authority and Craig David (the fifth street panels artist) to have a story telling event where fans can share their stories of baseball in Minnesota to help shape his artwork titled "The Stories of Baseball." Contact Susie Helget at susie.helget@ballparkauthority.com or Mary Altman at mary.altman@ci.minneapolis.mn.us. Click my name for the link

Since most people here weren't really happy with his original idea for the panels, here is a great way to express your own thoughts,ideas, and memories. Maybe someone should make a list of what has been said on this website when the panel renderings were first released (and what will be said) and email it to either Mary or Susie.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 10:57 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 116

I call shennanigans on Reckoner. there are no seats being installed in left field.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM by cam watcher Highlight this comment 117

Click my name for some excellent pictures of Target Field, courtesy of Joe over at Battleyourtailoff.com. You'll have to scroll down towards the bottom to see them.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 118

Thanks for the link Camden. Now I have another Twins website that I'll be checking out on a daily basis for new pictures. On the last image of Joe's pictures, I'm wondering if on that building, just to left of the right field seats, will be where the MPLS/STP Shaking Hands Sign will rest.

It seems like Joe should be posting more pictures too!!!

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 119

i hope we get that animated signage, it'd be very cool to see that and harkens back to the team's arrival in minnesota. phillies can have an animated bell why can't we have the "twins" celebrating a homerun, how awesome would that image be.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM by tim Highlight this comment 120

I don't see any seats in left field either. They seem to be doing work with the railings maybe, but I see no seats. On Webcam 2 though you can see some boxes right above the seating. I wonder if maybe those are seats?

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 2:18 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 121

There is definitely a dark square of something in the left field stands, although I wouldn't bet my life on it being seats.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 3:58 PM by The Legacy Highlight this comment 122

Not sure what crack you guys are on but I don't see any seats, dark squares, or midgets in the left field stands. The sun is shining and it shows nothing.

BTW, apparently some northern Minnesotans are big fans of Joe Mauer. About 25 miles north of Thief River Falls on US-59 there is an effigy of Mauer made out of 55 gal drums, approx 15ft tall.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM by chuck in ak in mn (aka chuck in canada now) Highlight this comment 123

I also did not see evidence of even possible seat installation in left field.

I did however see they finally finished the stadia, all the way to the admin bldg.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 124

My mistake then. Could be boxes and whatnot.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 5:06 PM by Reckoner Highlight this comment 125

The Facebook group with the really good insider pictures just got shut down. Another fantastic "aha" moment, if you ask me.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 5:17 PM by Nick in CO Highlight this comment 126

This may have been answered already, but in case not: why did the set of squares on the plaza around the topiaries (the holes that disappeared several months ago) reappear late last week? Does it have something to do with the new cement pouring on the plaza?

Also, just to double-check, but why did those squares get made and then filled-in in the first place? An early design for the plaza that they worked on before the design was changed and finalized?

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 5:22 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 127

Looks like the Twins didn't like the Facebook page:

"I regret to inform you all that I have been asked by the Twins Organization to please shut down the Twins Progress Page.
With this in mind I do accept that what I had put together contained intellectual property owned by the Twins organization.

I thank all of the fans that have signed up and would like to end this letter by saying:

GO TWINS!

Josh Murray"

I sure wish I could understand why the Twins think it's a good idea to squash any interested in information on and pictures of Target Field other than what they approve. A picture of a publically funded ballpark is intellectual property? That seems to be quite a stretch.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 128

So Rick - have you gotten any similar requests to shut down this site?

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 5:39 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 129

Hey Twins organization: The majority of my excitement around this park has come from these sites, since there is so little useful information on yours.

Love, an enthused Twins fan that spends about $30 at every game besides the price of two $50 tickets.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 5:58 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 130

They really seem to be killing any excitement over the park. Just like a Catholic school teacher, ruining all the fun.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 6:38 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 131

Dear Twins officials, I live in Texas and I've been a Twins fan since I was 6. I have no way of getting information other than from these sites and frankly call me greedy but I don't even think that's enough. PLEASE don't make the HUGE mistake by killing all of our excitement. I plan to visit Target Field many times but I'm starting to feel like you don't care about us fans that live too far away to go see it for ourselves. Join us in 2009 and realize that internet sites like this and facebook are pretty much free advertising for you and a great thing for PR. What you are doing is for lack of a better word just stupid and kind of insulting to us, the fans. Thank you.

-Eric

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 6:45 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 132

The KGB, I mean The Twins Brass, are looking pretty pathetic right now.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 6:53 PM by ace Highlight this comment 133

Shame Shame Shame on the Twins organization...what a joke! The Twins are being all nazi over this. Basically saying you cant take any pictures of the progress of Target Field. The Twins make a joke out of themselves more and more each day.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 8:14 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 134

Vike - I thought they were doing enough of that that on the field (that's it, it's ON! - Cubs/Twins weekend). Go Cubs!

Moose

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 8:52 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 135

I think us obsessed with this ballpark is a small percentage of Twins fans, so the Twins organization seems to not care.

As for the Twins/Cubs series. Ohhhhh it's on Moose!!

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 136

MATT - funny thing is that I've lived in this part of the country for 12 years, and the Cubs and Twins have played a few times, and it's always been a friendly-type rivalry with everyone I've run into (wearing my Cubs hat, or showing off my Cubs tattoo), but I ran into this Twins fan yesterday that was pissed at me for wearing my Cubs hat, and then noticed my tat a few minutes later. It really threw me for a loop. What exactly is there to be upset about in this "rivalry"?

Moose

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 9:55 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 137

It won't matter if the Twins stifle excitement in this park. I will personally boycot this ballpark if it has Matt Guerrier inside of it. Complete worthless POS!!!

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 10:08 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 138

Moose - Weird encounter, yeah there should be nothing to be upset about this rivalry, two different leagues. As for the other Chicago team, that's a different story.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM by MATT Highlight this comment 139

Eric in TX - we've pretty much beat "The Twins are clueless when it comes to viral advertising" to death. If they understand what they are doing, they don't care or don't believe that annoying a few hundred or few thousand die-hards that have more than a passing interest in the new ballpark matters.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 140

Agreed Moose. It's not a rivalry at all because the Cubs and Twins have only played each other about 9 times ever. I've found that Cubs fans generally can't understand why anyone would root for any team but the Cubs.

When it comes to National League, I don't dislike or like any of the teams.

Posted on June 11, 2009 at 11:25 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 141

ohhhh them be fighting words Moose97! fighting words! ;-)

your little no world series title since 1908 cubbies are going down this weekend. sounds like there is a rather large contingent of twins fans making the trip over to chicago. hope to hear them yelling on tv and taking over parts of wrigley!

go twins!

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 12:28 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 142

"So Rick - have you gotten any similar requests to shut down this site?" -- jfh

I think that if you get such a request, you have only two choices: get a lawyer, or get outta Dodge. Should it come, I suppose I'll have no choice but to take the latter option.

So, no, I have not yet received anything like that. In fact, the last official word I have (from a personal conversation a couple of months ago) was high praise and appreciation for the coverage this web site has given to the project.

Since the photo embargo came down, I've honored (while complaining about) the Twins' wishes regarding the interior of the ballpark, and I've consciously tried all along not to infringe on any intellectual property rights. I do take that concept seriously.

When this site began, I hoped that the Twins would realize the power of new media -- that there is some value in having a community following their project closely and spreading enthusiasm to friends and family. These most recent actions do make me wonder if they understand that.

Long ago, a world-weary mentor taught me that it's often a waste of energy to try and prevent anybody (big corporations or individuals) from making dumb decisions. All you can do is make the best of whatever situation you find. That's what I'm trying to do.

Though I will admit that the whole thing does harsh my new-ballpark buzz. Mostly because the stated reason, to protect the a-ha moments, doesn't make any sense. So far, the Twins have not exactly shown themselves very adept at harnessing those moments. In fact, they've looked a little clueless at times.

For a recent example, I was shocked that there was no media opportunity associated with the installation of the first seats (something that I'd heard was in the plans). That's a tangible thing to see that gets fans excited. It makes for good video.

Similarly, the installation of the topiaries offered great visual appeal (and good press for their big sponsor), as did the completion of scoreboard installation and placing the Twins logo atop the scoreboard. The topping off ceremony was definitely worthy of the coverage it received, but it seems like other opportunities have fallen willy-nilly along the way.

I know that it's important to avoid overexposure. But looking back, it seems like the media get called in only once every few months, and then all together. On that night's news, all the TV stations have exactly the same story and essentially even the same video. That's not exactly buzz-building. That's essentially station-keeping. (It may be one of the reasons I no longer get invited. After those events I always felt like it had been covered to death and I didn't have anything to add -- though if you look back, you'll see that I did cover them, and often more extensively than the mainstream media. Sometimes, however, I learned something else that I wanted to talk about more...)

Basically, the team's goal has to be to leverage all of the available media more or less constantly to create and maintain a buzz. So you call the TV stations and newspapers regularly for the big things, and maybe you don't call them for the topiaries -- instead you call the bloggers! If Mauer and Morneau are touring the site, you bring along Aaron Gleeman or John Bonnes and let them write about it. In fact, if you've got a following on the web, you should really try and find ways to feed them the stuff they'll care about that nobody else will. I think we've made it clear what we care about: we'll take any little scrap!

I've mentioned before that the official web site seems like an afterthought, so we've essentially been maintaining our own buzz around here (tough to do as the party winds down -- eventually the lights come on and you gotta leave).

The Twins should really be looking at the U of M (not the Yankees) as a model of how to create and sustain buzz for a new facility. And they should be jumping up and down to let people take and publish pictures of whatever they want. The a-ha moments will still be there because the TV stations (and fans not paying especially close attention) don't give a flying f*!k about what some little blog publishes, or what's out there on flikr.

OK, gotta stop now.

The boys are headed to Wrigley. That'll restore my ballpark buzz...

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 12:43 AM by Rick 143

Rick: I think you should reconsider. If the time comes you MUST Lawyer-Up! I'm sure we have several local attorneys who'd love this action PRO BONO!!!!

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 01:36 AM by Max Highlight this comment 144

From webcam 2, you can now see seat installation starting on the main level in section 105.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 08:52 AM by roadwarrior Highlight this comment 145

Field Dimensions:

Can someone explain to me what makes a field play like a band box versus a pitchers park?

Citizen's Bank and US Cellular (notable band boxes) have pretty similar dimensions to Dodger Stadium and Petco (notable pitcher's parks) which are fairly similar to Target field. In fact, Dodger Stadium dimensions seem a little smaller than these others, but its considered pitcher friendly.

I just see a lot of kvetching about how small Target Field will play but I can't see too much difference between its field dimensions and many other parks.

Just wondering.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 09:02 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 146

well stated Rick. I have to think that the people working for the Twins aren't idiots, but they must get caught up in the corporate system somewhere along the way and stop making creative and logical decisions. Because if you e-mailed that to DSP or anyone over at 34kbp, they would just blow it off. It's sad.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 09:04 AM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 147

Well put, Rick. Keep up the good work!

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 09:21 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 148

so I know the complaining and whining about the Twins and their strange obsession with not letting anyone talk about their baby or shows pictures has been overdone, but I'm sorry it just continues to get more and more bizarre.

Shutting down a facebook site? I just simply cannot understand it. I can only think of two reasons why they would stifle the buzz.

1) They cannot control it. Meaning they arent' dictating what is said and that up until now just about everything has been glowing reports from bloggers but they can't control if the bloggers all of a sudden turn harsh in their reviews.

2) They don't want to advertise certain aspects of the building to their competitor. But that seems fairly stupid given there is waht? 1 or 2 companies building these things?

The intellectual property argument is a good argument - if there was a need to argue about people being interested, excited, and supportive of your project. I mean it is one thing if we were talking about a widget where you didn't want your secret ingredient exposed to the public, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows that buildings are made out of concrete and there will be grass and seats and other ballpark ameneties.

So what's the deal? Will this photo embargo continue past opening day? Are we not going to be able to take pictures inside the park?

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 149

i don't get what the big secret is, we're all going to see these supposed "aha" aspects eventually anyway. it would be nice if the team thought of it as doing a service to its paying customers and gave us more detailed visual updates. i'm more interested in seeing the field and seat intall vs some interior retail space anyway. The locker rooms and bar/restaurant finishes will be cool to see but i can wait a few months. just lay that out that grass, manicure that infield and i'll be fine. i wonder how high of a cut the team will keep the infield, this is the kind of baseball stuff i love.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM by tim Highlight this comment 150

The contained link is to the coolest desktop picture of all time! Ok, maybe that is a little much, but I think everyone here can appreciate it. Enjoy!

Clicky
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Posted on June 12, 2009 at 10:40 AM by Andrew Highlight this comment 151

Awesome to see seats going into the lower bowl. I mentioned those boxes yesterday and it looks like they are indeed seats (and there are a bunch more boxes now).

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 10:44 AM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 152

I heard the Twins are talking about adding a roof now to the pre-poured roof supports so that we won't be able to see inside or take any photos.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 153

When I decided to start Twins-Territory.com I centered the logo idea around the idea that the team's fans were from Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota. Cool picture and I think they got the Twins "fanbase" right on.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 154

I think we should put a embargo on the term "ah-ha moment"

its getting pretty annoying although i do appreacate everyones word play...

by the time they make Rick shut down it will be 2 months from opening day anyway...they asked the facebook dude to stop and being a nice guy and a huge twins rube he agreed, one thing we know about our beloved Twins is they are cheap as a mofo... you know how many billable hours it would cost them to fight every site...im sure they read this and assume Rick or somebody on here will fight it in court since this is the biggest ballpark site...

guy just dont let it stop your love for this place... and your team...

and moose a cubby tat???? you are die hard my brother...

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 155

Other than those big signs (e.g. Budweiser), there is no intellectual property in the stadium itself. And those signs are fair game for photographers -- they are visible from the street. What, Mortenson has a patent on how they use their cranes? Give me a break. If anyone from the Twins organization gives you any more crap about posting photographs, send a letter to the Pohlads and the County Board. Drive the weasel back into his hole.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM by Dave T Highlight this comment 156

Finally went down to the site for the first time in a couple months! Beautiful! Seeing the twins sign on the scoreboard in person was awesome as well as driving around target field station! Got me more excited! What the twins are doing trying to hide whatever isn't killing my buzz, just thinking about those nice summer nights watchin the twins outdoors with that beautiful skyline behind them!

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 157

How can you say Iowa is Twins Territory any more than Wisconsin calling it Brewers Territory, The Cubs/Sox calling it their territory or the Royals/Cardinals calling it theirs?

The world does not revolve around Minneapolis, people.

And for everyone's sake, stop whining about how the Twins' front office is screwing you because you can't see what DSP's office coat closet looks like. Cripes. Being passionate is one thing, but some of you are overboard and need to re-examine your own lives and the priorities within it.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM by FreeIowa! Highlight this comment 158

3 months from today, TCF Bank Stadium opens!!

10 months from today, Target Field is tentatively schedule to open!!

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 159

hey FreeIowa, last time I checked the purpose of this site was to discuss the new ballpark and its construction progress, and you seem to care enough to be a visitor. so maybe you need to rexamine YOUR own life. Ohhh snap!!

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 12:56 PM by mplsgreg Highlight this comment 160

A good portion of Iowa is made up of Twins fans. There are quite a few Cubs fan as well, but thats more towards the southern part.

Back on the park: That whole section has the seat base installed now. There are a lot more boxes up top too so I wonder if we'll see another section today.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:00 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 161

I love how often the word "rube" is starting to show up here.

Does anyone else think webcam 1 doesn't show the new seats in 105? It shows a current update time (after a third reload) but I swear the seats aren't there that I can see in cam 2 (which is finally showing something worth seeing)

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:03 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 162

I was wondering the same thing. I've checked WebCam 1 a few times to see if they were there, and no luck.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:10 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 163

Reusse says on his AM1500 radio show this morning that he called HOK (or, Populous, as it is now known?) and asked to talk to them about wind studies that have been done. Guy said “sure, but I’ll have to clear it with the Twins first”. Reuesse calls back the next day and the HOK guys says they will have to decline the interview. Check out Reusse’s downloadable mp3 of Friday’s Hour 4, his story about this starts at about the 6:15 mark. It feels this week like The Cone of Silence is tightening.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM by mitts Highlight this comment 164

The angle of webcam1 doesnt show the seats in section 105. The seats are being installed above the moat. The moat is just visible from the webcam1 angle.

The concrete stadia on the 3rd base side was finished today also! Check another item completed.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:23 PM by roadwarrior Highlight this comment 165

someone should email Reusse about our encounters with the Twins cone of silence. Watch for him to write a column about their off-putting smugness.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:38 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 166

Maybe it has been mentioned before, but what is the opening with no stadia on the third base line in what I believe is the Terrace Level.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:43 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 167

TT: That is the Club Level. The gap you see is a separation between the Legends Club ticketholders and the "Great Unwashed Masses". I understand the Twins are keeping these Skyline View seats for group outings, etc....

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM by Max Highlight this comment 168

I see. It looks weird now, but as I look at it from the animated seat viewer it doesn't look so bad. I think the seats will make everything look much better. I wonder if they'll do banners of players like they do now (above each section) or if they'll instead just keep the stone open.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:52 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 169

Webcam 2 also showing seats going in to the "Party Suites", on the club level between the Metropolitan club and the Legends Club.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 1:56 PM by other guy Highlight this comment 170

Joe Mauer homerun into the Wrigley Field bleachers and the ball NOT being thrown back onto the field....priceless!

That says a lot about the contingency of Twins fans at Wrigley...

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 171

The Twins fan came out with a bloody nose too...

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 2:39 PM by Max Highlight this comment 172

agree. after that joe mauer homerun you could definitely hear that twins fans are owning wrigley today. sounded to me like at least half the place is filled with twins fans. nice!

oh and to comment on the other discussion above. i would agree that you have more twins fans than brewers fan in western wisconsin. and more twins fans in northern iowa than cub fans.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 173

Rick - thanks for your comments regarding the Twins and new media. I think you have summed up the situation perfectly.

As for those wanting to sue the Twins - get real. If the Twins want to control coverage of the park, they certainly can. Just because we think that it's an old-fashioned and questionable approach isn't something to litigate over. Though it would make for some interesting press coverage in and of itself.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 2:59 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 174

JFH I don't think anybody was talking about filing suit against the teins. We were talking about lawyer action in order to sustain Ricks site. Meaning fighting it being shut down. Unless I missed something else.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 3:40 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 175

Sorry - missed that point. I doubt the Twins would even try. Since it's clear they have known about the site for some time and haven't done anything to date, it would be almost impossible for them to succeed now (and it's very unlikely they could have done it years ago either).

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 4:28 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 176

I was in Iowa City playing a gig at a club called Gabes Oasis in October of 1987. The club has levels. The upper level has the stage and a bar. The lower level was just your standard tavern bar. After a quick soundcheck we all hustled down to the downstairs bar to watch game 1 of the World Series between the Twins and the Cardinals. To our suprise the tavern was packed with middle aged to older men, all wearing Cardinal red gear. The four of us, all from Minneapolis, where the only Twins fans in the joint. And boy did we make a racket and annoy the hell out of everyone as the Twins went on to blew out the Cardinals 10-1.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 4:39 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 177

Interesting note on today's day game...FSN did 90 second commercial breaks instead of 2 minute breaks like they normally do. The extra 30 seconds before the inning started was almost always devoted to views of the park, aspects of the park, and views of fans in the park.

P.r. strategy? Dave St. Peter commented during an interview between innings that Wrigley will be the only field with less foul territory than Target, and that the Twins will have their own Wrigley.

Also...I think TF needs a nickname so it doesn't sound like a promotion..."The Targ" or something like that. We never think of gum when we say "Wrigley" anymore.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 5:22 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 178

We should all start our own sites about Twins construction and post as many pictures as we can get our hands on. I wonder if they can shut us all down?

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM by Eric in TX Highlight this comment 179

I've seen that countries of baseball on a tshirt before. Pretty nice idea.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 8:16 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 180

They've hoisted the walkway up onto 7th. According to webcam 1, it looks like it was done in the last hour or so.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 8:36 PM by Oaks Highlight this comment 181

yup - seats are definitely being installed in Sec. 105. Quite visible on Webcam 2.
I tell ya, I'm hating Webcam 2 more and more every day. Now they're building a whole bunch of stuff around the Party Deck...You can hardly see to the field anymore.

Posted on June 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 182

JCTwins - instead of "The Targ" as a nickname for Target Field - how about "Ah-ha!" ?

That should please the front office. They can get Kodak to sponsor Opening Day and the Twins can give out disposable cameras without any film so everyone can imagine their own "Ah-ha moment".

Posted on June 13, 2009 at 01:01 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 183

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Posted on June 13, 2009 at 01:55 AM by On Wisconsin Highlight this comment 184

Clearly we need a legal mind to put above into lay man terms.
Because a majority of building costs are being funded by the public and the structure is owned by the county. One would think that be big factor in any hypothetical legal case. but i'm not layer so who knows.

Posted on June 13, 2009 at 02:23 AM by On Wisconsin Highlight this comment 185

Well since the Xcel is the X, Target Field is the T and TCF bank stadium is The Bank haha i dunno

Posted on June 13, 2009 at 03:08 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 186

The perceived arrogance by the Twins organization of late has not so much been a change of character as opposed to a return to longstanding behavior. The Twins were an extremely arrogant organization for many years and seemed to think that just being a Major League Baseball team and winning it all in 1987 and 1991 were enough and that no extra effort needed to be put forth in the name of creating a good relation with fan and improving their experience. Even finishing dead last in MLB attendance each year from 1998 to 2000 (while not legitimately drawing more than 1,000,000 fans in 1998 and 2000 and only doing it in 1999 because of the Kirby Puckett bat/$99 season ticket promotion) didn't cure the team of this bad attitude. I think the on field success of the past 8 or 9 years created good will with a win starved public while the team simultaneously improved its PR and marketing along with its political savvy which previously could hardly have been worse. However since the people who were in charge during the dark ages largely still run the show, it only figures that the arrogance has returned in form of control freak tendencies regarding photos and information.

Posted on June 22, 2009 at 4:51 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 187

Sorry for the grammatical mistakes and for ranting a bit too much perhaps.

Just a couple of thoughts on the park itself...

Although the garbage burner has been discussed at length, does anyone else think that the nearby shelters and services for the homeless may also cause some issues with people down the line?

Do the lights above the Twins logo on the scoreboard throw the park too much off balance since they tower above the roofline?

Sorry to come off as such a moaner. I truly am excited for the new stadium and a trip to see Yankee Stadium and Citi Field earlier this month has only made me more enthusiastic.

Posted on June 22, 2009 at 5:00 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 188

jorge - welcome to the board. just an fyi that you should try to post within the thread that is at the top of the page whenever possible. otherwise it is very likely that no one will see what you have posted here today as most don't usually go back down to prior threads to check if new posts have been added to them.

Beta

Posted on June 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 189

I feel so dumb. I scrolled down and totally overshot the current thread. Thanks for the heads up.

Posted on June 22, 2009 at 10:56 PM by jorge Highlight this comment 190


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