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Twins Eve

April 1, 2010 12:44 PM

Happy Twins Eve, everybody!

Yep, tomorrow the boys will take their field for the first time. (Rain? Bah!) It is an event not to be missed by anyone reading this page. I hope to see you there.

In the meantime, I have a few topics to cover, some from last Saturday and some from scattered other directions. And I'm going to do it amid another batch of photos I took last weekend.

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If you are into shade, there are lots of opportunities. This is from the last row in section 108 -- scoreboard not blocked in the least.

Before the Twins take the field tomorrow, a bunch of political types are set to appear, in recognition of all they did to get the place built. It certainly is proper and well-deserved. Without their creativity and determination, it just plain would not have happened.

But there's one guy who probably won't be there, without whom those politicos would never have even gotten the chance to take a swing at the problem. You all may know him as The Greet Machine, but his ballpark friends just call him Shane.

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Love the LC!

The story is a pretty amazing one because it's about one guy who decided it was time to get this done, and then somehow managed to find the time and energy to actually do it. He managed to create a forum where people could hash through things, votes could be tallied, and minds could be changed. That's a rare feat.

Many people who have been deeply involved with this project have mentioned Shane to me specifically as the linchpin for getting it going. Some say it's a testament to the power of new media, but that doesn't really go far enough to capture what actually happened.

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Replays on the out-of-town scoreboard!

In fact, I'm not sure exactly how to summarize the whole process, but I think a big part of it was that it was grounded in Shane's obvious love of the game and the team. He always wrote with passion, enthusiasm, humility, and hopefulness (OK, there were a few less-than-hopeful moments, but they passed relatively quickly).

But beyond that, he started counting.

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He did what many within the Legislature and the assembly of lobbyists couldn't figure out how to do. He carefully tracked the positions of legislators, and then managed to recognize and help others utilize that tiny opening of support through which the necessary bill could fit. And it was very tiny. (You may remember that the final meaningful vote passed on a 34-34 tie.)

Back in the dark days of 2000 and 2001, I had tried to do some such lobbying and tracking and found it to be just plain too daunting. The whole stadium issue was a third rail in St. Paul, and the legislators I successfully engaged (some of whom I knew personally) were so hardened against the whole idea, that it just seemed hopeless.

This is the environment into which Shane stepped. He might not have thought, when he started, that a guy with a web site could have such an impact. And, in fact, just any guy with just any web site won't do. There was something about the simplicity of The Greet Machine, the honesty of the place, the optimism, and most of all, the hard -- and smart -- work, which made it special.

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Shane, today on Twins Eve, we baseball lovers and ballpark geeks salute you! Thanks for all the work you did which made this possible.

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Perspective

I'm sure many of you saw this little tidbit by Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated:

In this era in which sport is as much about programming as it is competition, and when stadium roof technology has been around for more than a quarter of a century, Major League Baseball should never have allowed a ballpark to be built in Minnesota without a retractable roof.

It's just the latest salvo from the weather-ignorant, but there's a twist here which is worth exploring.

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Is baseball just a TV show? I mean, we know that's essentially true with football, but has baseball now come to that point?

If baseball is a TV show, then what he says makes perfect sense. In fact, he sounds like he's suggesting that MLB and Fox should have split the cost of a roof if no one else was willing to pay for it.

Why? Because roofs turn ballparks into TV studios (another reason to hate them).

And if you are a TV executive, it's an easy calculation. Canceled (or rescheduled) playoff games cost you X dollars in ad revenue. A roof costs Y dollars. If X is greater than Y, then it's in your interest -- you, the TV executive -- to pay for a roof.

Over time, you can see that the math just might favor that capital investment.

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This looks like a Twins Pub, but is actually the scoreboard operations.

But back to the original question: Is baseball really "as much about programming as it is competition"?

If it is, then the ballpark is dead. Fans become like game show audiences -- you need them, so you let them in for free (or cheap) and tell them to watch the "applause" sign (or "scoreboard") for cues on what to do.

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Lonely vendor...


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There's no question that the Selig era will be remembered for trying to move baseball completely into the realm of the TV show. It's happened again with the recent teeny, tiny adjustment to the post-season schedule, which might have actually been a meaningful adjustment if Fox had not objected.

That leaves Target Field as something of a statement against the notion of baseball as programming, and for the notion of baseball as competition and community.

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Dedicated closed-captioning ribbon board

It's been pointed out that the Twins would much-preferred having a roof to not. But Jerry Bell is singing a different tune now:

I argued for nine out of 10 years we should have a roof. Looking at the ballpark today, I think it would be a sin to put a roof on it. If we had a roof, the roof would be about eight acres in size and distract from the ballpark. We will have a rainout or two, but we're not going to have too many because of the drainage system.

That may sound to some like the team is just trying to put on a brave face, but I don't get that feeling at all. They've embraced the roofless approach, and now they realize that what looked like a setback was actually a major blessing.

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Congestion

My photos of Saturday's crowded concourses led to some discussion about whether it will be like that on Twins gamedays. The answer is that it's pretty unlikely. That's more like what they'll look like as fans leave at the end of a game than what it will look like in, say, the sixth inning.

But there were a couple of especially nasty choke points on the main concourse that will have to be fixed before opening day. They were caused by long lines at mobile food carts which had been set up directly across the concourse from one another.

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People had to thread their way, one at a time, between the ends of two lines which touched one another.

Perhaps those lines were made longer by some troubles at the fixed concession stands, but it's something the team will have to watch closely. Even a 10-foot offset of those carts would probably be enough to avoid the problem.

An Invitation

Hopefully you are getting in shape for opening day. But you'll need to know where to party before you head out to the game. Well, here's an invitation for all of you, presented by long-time reader Jeff Bull (OG Jeff):

- Pre-game fun 3 blocks from Target Field on April 12th
- On the front lot at Herschel Lofts - 748 N 3rd St.
- BBQ and festivities from 11am - 2pm
- Specials at The Loop Bar and Restaurant during the game
- BBQ food/drink provided by North Loop businesses for $5
- Lots of prizes and giveaways include jerseys, caps, tees & Twins tickets
- Site will have a large tent in case of weather

Though it does promote some North Loop businesses, this is not a for-profit event. In fact, it's just a party being thrown by some guys, which somehow got kind of big! (That's what happens when you throw a party three blocks from the biggest event of the season.)

Hope to see you there. And thanks, Jeff, for the invite.

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The Overlook

Overlooking

There are still tickets available in the Overlook for Tuesday, May 4 -- an event we've dubbed BallparkMagic Night at Target Field. But they won't last very long.

Announcing BallparkMagic Night at Target Field


Come and see the Overlook (section 136) with your fellow fans! 59 tickets have been reserved in the first five rows just for us and are being sold here exclusively at face value with no fees! (We can talk later about where to meet before the game.)

Only $22 per ticket! (limit of 4 per person)

Qty:     Your comment name:    

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Sue Nelson, and her organ, in one of the Twins Pubs

Organized

I took the picture above in the Twins Pub on the first base side. Organist Sue Nelson was chatting with fans, and listening for her next cue on a headset.

The whole scene looked a little bit slapped together. While it's nice to have her accessible, one has to believe that she'll get tired of being in a bar before very long.

More to the point is that the organ, late of the Metrodome -- and with roots that potentially stretch back to Met Stadium -- sounds kind of lousy in the new park. Its sound took me instantly back to a place I thought I'd escaped.

I'll admit that I'm hoping the setup is temporary, and that some additional consideration will go into getting a new instrument, and maybe a modified role for Sue.

As a musician by trade, I'm somewhat sensitive to the role music plays in audience enjoyment of an event. Knowing what's possible with the organ (and recognizing that it need not replace recorded music entirely), it feels like a reboot is in order on this element.

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Finally

And finally a funny, but kind of sad note that I discovered in one of the suburban papers:

"We were pretty disappointed," said Jim Stodgman of Giles-Nalla Roofing in Coon Rapids.

He's referring to the day that his truck pulled up to Target Field with 162,000 custom-made shingles for the roof of the new stadium, the result of an order placed in 2002 by a subcontractor for the Twins.

"They told us that there had been a mistake and the order should have been canceled a couple of years ago," Stodgman laments. "My driver had no choice but to turn around and bring them back here."

His staff of 25 had labored carefully over each individual piece, painstakingly inscribing every one with the familiar TC logo, matching specifications for a retractable roof that was designed in the late 1990s, but cut from the final stadium design in 2005. His company has worked on almost nothing else since the order was placed.

When asked what they would do with the unused inventory, Stodgman just shrugged. "I'm going to use a few on a shed in my back yard, but the rest, I just don't know. Maybe we could do a few players houses."


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It's pretty easy to see right into the Twins dugout!


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Good seats, but no scoreboard or sky.


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Happy April!

Comments


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Since a new post has started, I'm going to repose this in hopes someone knows the answer...

I was looking back on older posts, and saw the golden seat in the metrodome and it got me wondering, since I'd never seen it in person... Was that seat there for Vikings games as well?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 12:48 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 1

You're not going to fool me. Psssh, Target Field. There's no such thing! Nice try, though, being April 1st and all.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 2

I went down to TF yet again today...

The trap sign actually has 4 ads on it. From left to right: Pepsi, Mortenson, Target, and Delta. They are all the companies individual logos set on the navy backdrop...there are no dividers.

One of the statues was in place but covered. Looked to be a pitcher? because it was almost horizontal and very long, but not tall.

Perfect day for a ball game. Can't wait til tomorrow.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:03 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 3

Statue could be Carew in that low stance, bat behind him, ready to pounce on a pitch... or, maybe sliding into home with another steal.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:13 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 4

After seeing your April 1st posts from the last few years, I thought that a good story to run would involve the Vikings moving into Target Field come this Fall, just like the good old days at the Met my Father and Grandfather tell me about. I wasn't too worried about you not coming up with something clever though and kept it to myself.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:18 PM by Grizzly Adams Highlight this comment 5

Schweady you could be right.

Forgot to mention that they were sealing the promenade and had installed racks for about 60-80 bicycles along the backside. "We Are The Champions" was playing on the PA system.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:18 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 6

Sorry for the double negative, correction: "wasn't worried about you coming up with something clever"

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM by Grizzly Adams Highlight this comment 7

Nice post Rick! Was it ever discussed why LA Tech got the home/Twins dugout? I thought that that was quite odd.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 8

I still pinch myself that the Field became a reality...

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:24 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 9

My two cents, Rick, regarding MLB as a TV product:

I highly doubt that it can be successfully marketed that way as the NFL has. As sports, baseball and football are different beasts. The NFL game fits the mold that TV programming requires: digesting in short, rapid bits providing ample opportunities for commercial advertising. Football is a series of hard, fast waves crashing against a shore. Baseball is a meandering stream. Watching non-playoff baseball on TV is a lot like watching the Labor Day telethon--you simply can't do it for any duration of time.

When a football game is on TV you watch it. When a baseball game is on TV you listen to it, usually with your mind and/or hands doing something else. But once at the ballpark, it grabs your attention. Maybe that's not because you're watching baseball but you're living it. You are part of it. Football has its fans as spectators. Baseball has its as participants. Where are the Jeffrey Maiers and Steve Bartmans in football? There aren't any.

The ballparks are safe. They are havens for us fans. And they are more than first base, second base and third base. They are home. And they always will be.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 10

Jimmer-
Yes it is in their for all metrodome games.
Glad to see something on the trap and the statues up. and cant wait to see the stadium!!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:31 PM by mching Highlight this comment 11

Pumped to see everyone at the BBQ!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:33 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 12

DeePee-
The Twins home dugout is on the first base side

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM by mching Highlight this comment 13

Nicely done Rick. This was in the previous post too, but click my name for my Shane Tribute.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM by Freealonzo Highlight this comment 14

DeePee, it could be that the dugout that the Gophers use at Siebert Field is on the 3rd base side. I don't know, I've never been there.

You know how superstitious those baseball players can be.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:42 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 15

When and where is the BBQ???

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:42 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 16

I bet you're right DreDogg. mching--LA Tech was on the first base side. That's why it was so strange!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 17

The Gophers used the visitors dugout (First Base) at the Metrodome so I don't know how they choose...as someone previously mentioned, maybe they had a better locker room at Target Field on the 3rd base side and let LA Tech use an auxiliary locker room near the Twins Clubhouse on the first base side.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 1:52 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 18

Mike,

Or, perhaps the Twins didn't want anyone to use the Twins locker room before the Twins do, so the Gophers used the nice visitors locker room, while LA Tech was forced into a 1st base adjacent broom closet?

Twins!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:00 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 19

My understanding (from some article I read, can't find the link right now) is that both teams dressed/showered at the Metrodome and took the train to TF.

If that's true, then it makes sense to use the same dugout they would have used had the game been played at the Metrodome.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:04 PM by Rick 20

Hey anybody know if comcast will have the MLB network in HD? I get the channel on my ch 272 but it's not HD. I thought Comcast was part owner of the MLB network. I did a search on mlb.com and it says the HD ch is 255. But that is my Big Ten Channel in SD. I get the big ten ch in HD on ch 256 currently. I mean for crying out loud I get the NBA channel in HD of all things!!!!!!!!! Just my rant!!!!!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:09 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 21

I mentioned this before -

We are lucky here in the Greater Denver Area, as we get MLB Channel in HD. It's a thing of beauty! I am surprised you guys don't get it there.

Of course, Comcast here doesn't broadcast Discovery HD and you guys do. Maybe that is our trade-off. I wouldn't mind being able to See Kari Byron in HD, though. She's dreamy!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:20 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 22

I'm on the batphone to customer service right now!!!!They can take that crappy NBAHD channel and switch it to MLBHD! FCOL!!!!!!!!And yes I would take MLBHD ch. over Discovery ch. Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:24 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 23

Funny. Click name. That's me with the foam finger! A friend of mine works for Minnesota Monthly put out a memo before the season started last year to see if someone wanted to pro-bono "model" at the Dome with a little blurb about watching the Twins game under the Humpty roof. I responded, because, well...why not get a nice photo to memorialize the Dome? Somehow another photo surfaced and they put me at the top of the sports page. Weird. If only she would ask me for a Target field shoot! (Btw, I was not allowed to keep the jersey or the finger).

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:33 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 24

Obviously the Gophers picked the third base dugout because they wanted the "skyline" view instead of the "field" view.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:39 PM by FPM2K Highlight this comment 25

Okay, just got done reading the most infuriating article about Target Field. It's from the bleacher report, what I typically consider a pretty reputable source, but wow... read for yourself

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:48 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 26

"So it looks like the 11,000 STH's from last year will get the Hrbek/Puckett set and the other 14,000 new STH accounts this year will get just one legend Puckett or Hrbek."

In years past a "Twins Legend" added up to whatever the team had leftover from previous promos, typically a ST bobblehead from what would be last year's (or before) set - the same sort of selection you would see given away at Spring Training games, "spin the wheel" deals, and in grab-bags at Twinsfest. The Twins had a great deal of '09 ST pieces leftover, even after the "moving sale" - they were selling sets at Twinsfest for $10 and had tons of Gardenhire & Young individuals at $2 each. My guess is that they will start with whatever they still have of those. Guessing further --- I imagine they have ordered enough Puck & Rex LOTDs to cover any shortfall in the older ones. Waiting this long (instead of having them available at Twinsfest) gives them, of course, a much better idea of what they need in terms of numbers.

"So for me, will it be either Puck or Hrbek, or a different legend? When are they going to do another Mauer one?"

It's pretty clear that the team has abandoned the four bobbleheads per year promo that began in 2000. They went to two last year, claiming that they were unable to find sponsorship (for their most popular promo??????) and are down to one for this year (albeit a double). If they continue to do bobbleheads at all, I would imagine another Mauer is in the offing.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:48 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 27

DreDogg, some people here might not get MLB Channel in HD, but I certainly do. ;-)

DirecTV Channel 213.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:53 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 28

Okay, now on the other end of the spectrum an article any cool-aid drinking homer would love!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 2:55 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 29

Dear Dan Adams ...

If you're planning on becoming a solid journalist, here is a tip: If you know little to nothing about the topic you plan to write about, DO SOME RESEARCH. It will make you look like less of a moron.

Or, just stick to horse racing.

Sincrely,
TTH

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 30

Sincrely?? ... ugh. Time to leave the office.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:01 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 31

The best line is the question "will the Twins even really need a closer?" --- something that has not yet been well enough explored for those of us who think the Twins are going to score LOTS of runs.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:08 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 32

Kevin Smith was on the local KFAN station in St. Cloud today, and the hosts asked him if they learned anything from the open house. Kevin said that there had been a lot of reports of congestion in the concourses, and re-assured everyone that there will be no problems during game day just like you said Rick. He said the event was designed to give the public a chance to check out all the areas of the ballpark, and that people are paying to watch the Twins and baseball, not wonder around the whole time.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:15 PM by Josh Highlight this comment 33

Forgot to mention that they have all of the banners up outside now, highlighting Division wins, WS, etc. World Series banners are right by Hrbek gate.

Also, anybody else on here planning on carrying in a Pancheros burrito from Block E from time to time? I know I sure will be.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:17 PM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 34

They'll need a closer. The Yankees wouldn't have been the Yankees (even with their offensive power) without a world class closer. We need someone who can get the job done. Difference between being a winning team and a GREAT team.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:18 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 35

I think it'll end up being Guerrier and he'll do a fine job

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:25 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 36

I feel dumber after reading the first article that Matt W linked from the Bleacher Report. The only foul odor is that guy's writing. If his goal is to be a part of the local media scene, I hope he's not holding his breath.

I wrote an email to Tom Verducci basically stating that he should never set foot in Target Field if he thinks it should have a roof. (Also included the word Douchebag, among others) With the over-saturation of electronic media, I think many of these guys just try to write something outlandish to make sure they get noticed.

If I want solid journalism, I'll stick to Rick at BallPark Magic!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:26 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 37

Re: forwarding emailed tickets

So, I called 33-TWINS and asked what the format was of an emailed ticket, hoping that if I should buy from a ST holder and they email the tickets that I could then forward the message/attachment to a buddy for his share of the tickets so I wouldn't have to wait for him at the gate.

Well, she didn't sound real certain, but said that what gets emailed is a link to a page that allows you to print the tickets.

So, anybody with any experience with this already? Is it in a format that I could forward like I want? Sure hope that doing so wouldn't void the previously emailed tickets like it does the original ST paper copy. Lots of choices on TCTraders that I see I could consider if it works like I hope.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:33 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 38

Just bought my $1 emergency rain ponchos for tomorrow and Saturday!

Bring on outdoor baseball! We have waited over 28 years for this day tomorrow when the Twins take the field for the first time outdoors in downtown Minneapolis.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:41 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 39

LMAO!!! Twins just released more Opening Day tickets! I just got an e-mail from the Twins, sending me to Stub Hub to get fill my OD ticket needs!

"See the Twins at Target Field
Where do you want to sit this season?

Opening Day is always special. But in a beautiful, new ballpark, it's historic. And you can be there. Just go to StubHub today and choose the seats you want to every Twins game you want to see this season, including the first ever game at Target Field."

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:41 PM by TK Highlight this comment 40

Rant beginning in T-3...2...1...

I think the closer is the most ridiculously overrated position in baseball. I cringe every time I see an article on a game that says "Papplebon shuts down Yankees" or "Nathan too much for the Tigers".

There are 27 outs in a baseball game. To put so much focus and money on a player who is suppose to get 3 outs is ridiculous. They get way to much of the spotlight, and get way to much money.

Yes I realize there is a "mindset" and an "attitude" that goes with closing, but I think any competent major league pitcher should be able to get three outs at any given time when only asked to face hitters once.

Each of the 27 outs in a ballgame are just as important as any other. The game can be won and lost on a first inning double just as easily as a ninth inning home run. Joe Nathan is a great pitcher, but we will find someone else to get 3 outs 50 times this year.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:43 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 41

Mike,

Where did you get your $1 poncho?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:50 PM by Rick 42

Rick, I found some cheap clear ones at Mills Fleet Farm.

I also saw some at Walmart last week for $0.88 near the camping/outdoor stuff.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:55 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 43

TTH and Ole-

I couldn't agree more. Dan's arugment was that the twins were losing home field advantage and all he said was the dome had funny bounces, the HERC stinks and Joe Mauer is getting paid. I tried to comment on the page but the site wouldn't let me.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 3:56 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 44

TK-
There have been home opener tickets on Stub Hub for a very long time now. I don't think they're newly released because it would be throught the Twins website if they were and not Stub Hub.

Looks like the lowest on Stub Hub is $175, it's not increasing very much. I saw 160's for awhile.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:07 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 45

Schweady, If nothing else, you could scan your printed tix into a pdf document and e-mail that.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM by BomboRivera Highlight this comment 46

That's supposed to say "through" not "throught"

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 47

does anybody know some of the prices for some ramps in downtown near TF besides the A-B-C ramps, like the city center ramp, block E ramp, etc... im sure lots of them will be filled just trying to get an idea

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM by Sam L Highlight this comment 48

AJ ---

I think the issue - if it is an issue - is that many here think the Twins are listing "excess" tickets on SH. That, essentially, the tickets that are usually released close to game time are now going to SH rather than just being made available as in the past.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:12 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 49

AJ,

I was being a little sarcastic in my comments about tickets being released. There have been conspiracy theories (how true they may become) that the Twins would be selling tickets on StubHub with the new partnership. I mean why wouldn't the Twins want to sell tickets on there! I mean there is no way to fact check the numbers the Twins are producing on ticket sales...

To me, why would the Twins direct people to StubHub, as they are probably making a good profit off the deal, and probably can make even more money being a "ticket seller" on the site.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:12 PM by TK Highlight this comment 50

Looks like Dan Abrams is looking for some attention....unfortunately, he found it.

My bet is that Dan has never once smelled that "extreme odor" coming from the garbage "dump" (as he calls it). But this paragraph is what gets me:

"For example, the weird bounces off the insanely hard Astro-turf during their two runs to the World Series. The balls that continually would get lost in the roof by opposing teams led to many wins as well. There probably isn't a statistic on the amount of plays that were effected by the Metrodome itself, but it has to be in the hundreds."

Dan - a little piece of career advice (since you're aspiring to be a "member of the local media scene), do a little research....my bet is that you'll find that not as many games as you think were won because of a "wierd bounce" or a ball getting lost in the roof. Sure, it happened, but only occasionally - and my bet is that rarely did those plays affect the outcomes of games. I'm not saying they never did, but the number is most likely much smaller than Dan realizes. Of course the Twins enjoyed a "dome field" advantage in the playoffs, but that was more do to the noise of the crowd than it was to the turf or the roof.

The Twins won their two World Series because of the players on the field. Players like Kirby Puckett, Dan Gladden, Kent Hrbek and Jack Morris were responsible for those trophies, not a building....

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:12 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 51

Ben-
I see, that would suck if they did that, but they'll try to make as much money as they can.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:14 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 52

:) .

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 53

I get it now, I didn't realize people were thinking that...I must have missed some comments or something at one point.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:15 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 54

This site is awesome. I can't wait to ride the rail down from Big Lake to catch games after work. The pictures from inside the stadium look amazing. Thanks

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:15 PM by Brix60 Highlight this comment 55

Brandon was pretty much spot on with what I was gonna say (with a little added gusto!). I think the closer is overrated, and going along with that, the "save" should have never been invented. Its still the same three outs in the ninth inning whether youre winning losing or tied...

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:16 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 56

AJ, the conversation about tickets being sold on SH might not have been on here, but I read the thoughts somewhere. I mean there were 1050 posts on one thread...so it is easy to miss or go back to search for certain talking points.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:22 PM by TK Highlight this comment 57

Okay, home teams normally take the 3rd base dugout...right?

At Target Field, the Twins will be taking the 1st base dugout...right?

Assuming I'm right on both counts, why?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM by Polka Highlight this comment 58

AJ ---

The Twins will be offering little cans of "Northwoods Air" if they detect a market - and probably as much for them as a cup of beer.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 59

Polka--
I don't think that is necessarily true. I think the teams just pick whatever dugout they want. 19 teams in MLB have dugouts on the 1st base side. The rest of the league has them on the 3rd base side. 3rd base is in the minority.

The Twins is on the first base side because the available space was bigger for the clubhouse and all of that. You don't want to give the opponent better amenities than the home team.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 60

Polka ---

Most parks are oriented in such a way as to keep the sun at the batter's back as much as possible - which usually puts more sun in the third base dugout than the first, and home teams use the dugout with the least chance of sun bothering them. I don't know the stats but I think you would find most teams using first base. The Twins used third at the Dump because the sun was not an issue and third was closest to their clubhouse. I imagine there are exceptions to the "rule" if it even is a rule.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 61

Huh. I guess I'm just used to watching the Twins at the Dome in their 3rd base dugout. In my high-school conference all the home teams used the 3rd base dugout, and at the Twins spring training in Ft. Myers they use the 3rd base dugout when they're the home team.

But hey, I'm all for making TF as un-Dome-like as possible.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:39 PM by Polka Highlight this comment 62

Polka. I'm almost certain that there is no "normal" when MLB teams choose which dugout to occupy. There are probably a variety of factors why teams choose the dugout that they do. I did a quick search on team dugouts using Wiki and came across the these that use the 3rd base side for their home dugout.

Arizona Diamondbacks (Chase Field)
Chicago Cubs (Wrigley Field)
Chicago White Sox (U.S. Cellular Field)
Cleveland Indians (Jacobs Field)
Detroit Tigers (Comerica Park)
Los Angeles Angels (Angel Stadium of Anaheim)
Los Angeles Dodgers (Dodger Stadium)
Minnesota Twins (Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome)
Oakland A's (McAfee Coliseum)
Pittsburgh Pirates (PNC Park)
San Francisco Giants (AT&T Park)
Toronto Blue Jays (Rogers Centre)

The Twins picked the 1st base dugout at Target Field because the space was larger than the 3rd base side. It gave the team a larger team/locker room, a larger training/work out facility, offices, and so on.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:42 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 63

Twins tommorrow, is FSN North showing the game in HD Friday or saturday?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:42 PM by larose Highlight this comment 64

Polka - Here is your answer. Click Link.

More home teams are on the 1st base side.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 65

Brandon,

I agree with your posts most of time, I do disagree with you on the importance of the closer. Unlike basketball, football and Hockey baseball does not have a clock to show when the game is over, but instead it is just those last 3 outs.

Why was Jordan a great in basketball player and Elway/Montana quarterbacks? With time winding down, they would take the game over and get the win for thier team. Not every basketball player, no matter how talented was able to perform in the clutch like Jordan. When the pressure was on, he came through. The same holds true for Montana and Elway. There were many other quarterbacks through the years that could play with Montana and Elway during the first three quarters of game. But when you needed that final drive, who would actually go out and win you the game?

Now switch this over to baseball. Pitching in the ninth inning is different. there is more pressure. If you screw up in the 4th inning your team still has 5 more innings to get you some runs. In the 9th there is no margin for error. We have been lucky enough as Twins fans to have some great closers through the years. Not every team has been so lucky. Ask any pitcher that has thrown a no-hitter, were the three outs in the second inning, easier to get than those in the 9th? Not trying to change your mind Brandon, just see the other side of the argument.

Try and view the closer as QB that only has one role on the team and that is to enter the game for the final drive when you are down by 4 points and you can't settle for a field goal. A basketball player that gomes off the bench, just to take the final shot of the game, when you are down by one with 10 seconds on the clock. Not everyone can take that shot. Baseball is just different because it doesn't have the time component. The pressure is still there, just in another form. Not everyone is capable of handling that pressure no matter how much talent they have.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:47 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 66

thank you deenels!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:47 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 67

trosy - that Wiki link is really interesting. Probably another reason I assumed that all home teams used the 3rd base dugout is that the other AL Central teams use the 3rd base dugout at home, too, and that's who I see the Twins play most often. The Royals are the exception, but nobody ever seems to notice the Royals anyway.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM by Polka Highlight this comment 68

The Twins had the first base dugout at Met Stadium as well. Is it possible that having the first base dugout makes it easier for the third base coach to pick up signals from the manager? Maybe the home team would have a better view of a close play at first, and the manager can hustle out there to argue with the ump, hoping that if they saw the play correctly, and the ump blew the call, they might have a better chance at getting a make-up call later.

Just theories.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:51 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 69

My theory is that after you ground out or fly out the walk of shame back to the 1st base dugout is usually shorter and less embarrassing than trotting across the entire diamond. Just duck into the far end of the dugout.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 70

Didn't think of that one...

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 5:02 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 71

Could be a chicken / egg deal. Do they have the dugout on the first base side because that's where the clubhouse is or the clubhouse on the first base side because that's where the preferred dugout is? I think we should get back to the weather.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 5:12 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 72

At TF, the clubhouse is on the 1st base side because there was more room there to put the clubhouse than on the 3rd base side.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 5:14 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 73

...and that's why the dugout is on the 1st base side.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 5:15 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 74

Time to post your best weather forecast link . . . and by best, I mean most optimistic.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 5:28 PM by st. paul Paul Highlight this comment 75

Just saw the weather update on fox 9. Should be raining by 4, it'll be less than an inch, I think he said.

By the way, it's been weird catching the weather on TV now, for the last week or so they've been giving weather updates for the ballpark. That's weird to get used to, great, but weird.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 5:54 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 76

I'm not finding an optimistic forecast of any kind. I think the best scenario for tomorrow are thunderstorms around 2:00, and then it blows out of here and we still play at 5:10.

That said, most forecasts call for a quarter inch of rain. My guess is that they try to play tomorrow regardless unless the managers don't want to risk injury to the players. In the regular season, I'm certain we would get tomorrow's game in.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 5:58 PM by Linc Highlight this comment 77

Channel 4 is pretty optimistic. They showed 2 models. One showed us getting some halfway decent rain by game time, the other showed us completely dry, no rain at all. They claim the truth lies somewhere in between. Sounds like rain might start into the game perhaps, maybe later in the evening, and clear out Saturday morning.

Games should be played! I'd bet on it!!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 6:06 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 78

I'd guess anything under an inch and a half and they'll be playing. It's kind of a good thing, it'll show us how good that drainage system really is

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 6:08 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 79

Maybe rain. Maybe no rain. We need weathermen for that?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 80

I think Fox 9 said 64 degrees, KSTP says 72. lol, they've pretty much all have been wrong for the past two weeks at least.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 6:20 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 81

Maybe Dan Abrams attended the college game when referring to the extreme smell around Target Field. 35,000 fans in attendance, with most eating brats and chili, and drinking multiple beers and wine. Can't tell me there was no natural gas being released. Anyone want to fess up?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 6:49 PM by Thor Highlight this comment 82

Poor Dan was just confused of the stink source.......

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 7:03 PM by Thor Highlight this comment 83

Look! There's a pink sky over minneapolis tonight. What's that saying about good weather?

"Pink sky at night, sailors delight."

Tomorrow's weather is bound to be nice.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 7:37 PM by st. paul Paul Highlight this comment 84

Overheard during college game at TF......" Bill did you just fart?"...."Uhhhhh, no honey.....must be the HERC plant."

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 7:54 PM by unknowntwinsfan (aka Thor) Highlight this comment 85

i finally got my season tickets yesterday! they came slapped in a envelope , no box not printed on sth stock...i called and they said they ran out and did not think they would sell as much sth this year.. idiots

oh and i got the puckett and hrbek bobbles last year.. so i will put those on tc traders! ha

ready for tommorrow! gonna have a room at the graves so no driving!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 7:55 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 86

contgrats on your tickets maz!! sucks about the box...they aren't that cool in my opinion though...

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 8:02 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 87

***congrats... (i need food)

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 8:03 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 88

I'm excited to sit amongst so many of you regulars on here during the May 4th game! Though I almost never post, I appreciate and enjoy Rick's writing and many of the posts! I'm not sure about the others on here, but putting a face with the personalities on here will probably be an "ah-ha" moment in itself!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM by lindywig Highlight this comment 89

From the NOAA:

Friday: A chance of showers and thunderstorms, then showers likely and possibly a thunderstorm after 1pm. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 67. South wind 8 to 14 mph becoming west. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 8:30 PM by Klomp Highlight this comment 90

Jax - where ya at...I got a dream story for ya...

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 91

There is a video on the Gophers website of the Gophers in the nice visitors locker room with their names and Gophers logos on the lockers. This is why they were in the third base dugout. Like I said before, LA Tech probably got an auxilliary locker room or none at all. Looking at the picture above all their bags are on the bench.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 9:27 PM by bobby Highlight this comment 92

okay, i think everyone can stop with the random and increasingly annoying weather updates already. especially crap from that unbelievably stupid sounding canadian j-bag ian leonard of fox 9. i have never seen a "weather" guy miss as much as he does and sound like such a jack-ass while doing it. he makes the actors in the movie "fargo" sound like they had no accent at all.

i really hope constant weather talk is not what overtakes this place once the season gets going because that is going to get real old, real quick. because there is just nothing more exciting than talking about the weather over and over and over........

all i am saying is stop acting like such prototypical upper-midwestern rubes who are always thinking/worrying about the weather. please!

:-)

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 93

Click my name for the rundown of food offerings at Target Field. Some new additions are Tony O's cuban sandwiches, Killebrew Root Beer and Root Beer Floats, Angie's Kettle Corn, Land o Lakes ice cream, and Veggie Kabobs

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:02 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 94

New food photos up at the Twins site, everything looks damn good!!! Click my name

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:04 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 95

Delaware North posted some pics at Flickr. Click my name. There is a great picture of the ads on the "Trap Sign." Looks way better than I had imagined!! Also the Killebrew Root Beer Float looks to good to pass up.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:13 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 96

Oh Gorg and Lapanta. But especially Gorg.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:23 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 97

Nice video tour of Target Field from Startribune.com. Click my name for the video. The video shows Twins retired numbers above the lockers inside the locker room, pretty classy. Also the video shows just how slick it is to go from the locker room, to the batting cage, to the running track, to the field!!! Also there are some great pictures hanging in the hallways of the Twins clubhouse. Also on that video page there is also a video of the Twins from Metropolitan Stadium to Target Field. Good stuff!!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:33 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 98

I took a vacation tomorrow. Who else is antsy?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:39 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 99

*vacation DAY. Whatever

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:41 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 100

Heard a rumor around our office that we are getting out at noon. A lot of our field workers that worked on the stadium are going to them game and are being honored.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:44 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 101

Looking forward to my first game at Target Field on May 21st.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:48 PM by 57djk Highlight this comment 102

Wow, I'll have to get myself a Killebrew Root Beer Float. Those things look amazing. Also, the trap sign looks sharp! They nailed it.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 10:48 PM by rback Highlight this comment 103

So who is all going to exhibitions this weekend?

p.s. There is good but short mini- documentary from the Strib called "The Met to Target Field". It has interviews by Jerry Bell, Sid Hartman, Clyde Doepner (Twins Historian), Wally "the beer man" McNeil, and others. It is very good and interesting. click link below

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 11:11 PM by On Wisconsin 3 Highlight this comment 104

Picture of the finished Trap sign anyone? I can't wait until tomorrow!

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 11:27 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 105

I'll be there tomorrow... 311 Row 12 I believe.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 11:37 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 106

Anyone know if we'll be able to redeem our coupons for the Team Yearbook and Record and Information books tomorrow?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 11:39 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 107

Of course the Twins are selling OD tickets on Stubhub.

They just released a ton of tickets for 4/16, 4/17, and the Brewers and Yankees in the HPB rows they couldn't sell as FStix, like sections 113-118 row 24 and up, but not for opening day. You can already see a couple of those listed on SH, and there will be more in the coming days.

This shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Why would the Twins put them on their website for $62 each when they can put them on SH for $325-350 each. The Twins are running a for-profit business, people.

PS: Any ticket broker in the nation knows the Yankees listed playoff/world series tickets on Stubhub last year and the Redskins even got caught last year listing tickets directly on Stubhub when they have a waiting list of 100,000 people for tickets.

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 11:48 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 108

Okay weird question...

I bought a single ticket for the overlook for tomorrow, but I'm in the wheel chair row, which I can only assume is behind the middle section of the overlook. I do not use a wheel chair... will I have a seat?

Posted on April 1, 2010 at 11:49 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 109

great tribute to shane, rick.

that cuban sandwich looks like my choice for saturday.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:00 AM by CJ Highlight this comment 110

I can't wait to try the ribs, and a Kramarczuk Polish... I'm looking forward to Saturday's game a little more to be honest, cause I get to sit in my seats, and it'll be cool to be in Home Run territory for batting practice. My glove is coming with

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:05 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 111

I'm going Saturday section 232 row 1 seats 18 and 19

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:13 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 112

I knew that Target Field would end up offering superior food options than the dome, but now that all the food options have been laid out, I can honestly say it far exceeds my wildest expectations. Not only did they do a phenomenal job in representing MN food options, but they're all top notch. I don't know what other ballparks Delaware North Sportsservice has done, but this has to be their best work. I would love to hear what other ballparks people think compares with Target Field's options. Also 2 quick concession questions, 1. I see they're serving Schell's at the ballpark, does anyone know if they're offering firebrick, and 2. are the Caribou stands going to be just serving coffee, or a full Caribou Coffee menu? Thanks to whoever can answer that, can't wait for Saturday!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:33 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 113

Brandon T

I saw some nice fold up chairs in those rows that people were sitting in on Saturday. I imagine if they don't sell all those seats to those in wheelchairs they will open them up to people who don't use a wheelchair. By the way they looked pretty comfortable with padded seats.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM by coley14 Highlight this comment 114

I'll be there Saturday...sec 326 row 2

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:38 AM by coley14 Highlight this comment 115

I know it's late, but I have a dilemma with tomorrow's game and I'm wondering if anyone here can help.

The Twins are planning a ceremony to officially dedicate the old Met Stadium flagpole during the pregame. I'd like to cover that and get some pictures, but I don't have a ticket to the game. And I don't have a ticket to the game because I can't actually stay for the game due to a prior commitment (choir director on Good Friday, you know how it is).

So I'm wondering if anyone has a ticket that will be otherwise going unused that could just get me through the gate to take some photos of the flagpole thing, the first pitch, and maybe the first inning or so, then I'll be on my way. (If you've been around this site for a while, you know why I might want to do this. I'll admit that I've fantasized that the team might invite me to this little ceremony, whenever it happened. But I've a feeling that I'm persona non grata to them at this point. Again, if you've been around here for a while, you know why that might be...)

Since I won't actually be sitting in the seat, it can be the crappiest seat in the place (last row of section S, seat 1), and I'd still be eternally grateful. My budget could certainly cover your first Target Field exhibition beer!

If you can help, please drop me a line: Rick at this site dot you know. Thanks!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 01:16 AM by Rick 116

Rick ---

I wonder if an appeal directly to Heidi first thing in the morning might get you in, if you would feel comfortable doing that. She is going to be letting us in and an extra guy might not bother her in the least. Worth a try?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 01:28 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 117

Brandon T, I posted this before, but here it is again. Click my name for a picture of the Trap sign posted by Delaware North

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 05:43 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 118

Do any other ballparks have a similar drainage system like they do at "The 'Get"? Can't wait to be there!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 06:48 AM by James Highlight this comment 119

James -

Quite a few of them. This particular drainage system was developed by (and patented by) Roger Bossard, the groundskeeper for the White Sox. It's used not only in many of the MLB parks, but several minor league parks, football fields, golf courses, soccer pitches, etc.

Roger comes from a family of groundskeepers, starting with his grandfather Emil, who was the long-time groundskeeper for Cleveland. Before Emil's time in Cleveland, he had learned and honed his craft at none other than Lexington Park in St. Paul.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 07:07 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 120

Rick,

Sorry I do not have an extra ticket. I was wandering if you tried to get a press pass? Just curious. I would think that other people who have web sites would get them.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 07:12 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 121

Rick

Check out the twins website directly. i heard last night on the news there were still a few hundred left for Friday, and i just checked and you get one in Home Plate View for $16.50. Or just call perhaps too. I already got rid of mine as i will be out of town effective 3 PM today, otherwise i would of been happy to sell you one.

Good Luck!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 08:19 AM by Thrillhouse Highlight this comment 122

Happy Twins Day everybody.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:10 AM by luke Highlight this comment 123

Hey Rick,

Creating a handle so I could (hopefully) grab 2 of your overlook seats. Been a reader for about a year now, but never posted before. If you want proof that I'm a regular visitor, you can ask my boss to check web history (though I prefer you don't!).

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:15 AM by eskerber Highlight this comment 124

So waking this morning was like being a kid on Christmas eve morning and being all excited but you had to wait all day to go to church and than come home to open your presents. I can't wait!!!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:22 AM by JinCr Highlight this comment 125

eskerber,

Works for me! Welcome!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:27 AM by Rick 126

Its amazing how long this site has been going, I remember back before the days with the "Ballpark Meltdown" banner. Thanks for all of the hard work and keeping us informed Rick

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:31 AM by twinlves Highlight this comment 127

Here is the weather today from KSTP:

The big question today is rain chances and timing. Right now it appears there is a chance of scattered showers this afternoon. The thinking that the best chance will be between 3 and 5 PM but we may have to move up the timing by an hour or so. The showers should move through quickly with drier air for tonight and much cooler temperatures.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:31 AM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 128

For anyone in the area...Mauer is eating breakfast right now at the Louisiana Cafe in St Paul.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:31 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 129

Since this is NEW....Could we go over umbrella etiquette? If any of you pop that 5 ft golf umbrella sitting in front of me I'm gonna disable it in a very aggressive way.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:47 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 130

thanks for the tip Steve, but I don't think the regulars on this site are the ones we need to worry about in that regard.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:51 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 131

twinlves,

The BALLPARK MELTDOWN banner was totally, completely awesome!!! Rick, it would be fun to see a retrospective of your posts at some point, once things calm down again.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:53 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 132

Just a reminder: In the Sunday edition of the Star Tribune this week (April 4), there will be a special Target Field section.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 09:54 AM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 133

Oy. Today is the first test for everybody with a "secret parking area" to see just how secret it is, and just how early they have to get there to get a spot. My bet is about 3 hours early.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 134

WOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!! It's time for Baseball!!

Clicky for goosebumps!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 135

Rick,

Just throwing another big THANK YOU to you and all of your amazing work! Wish I could take you up on your offer to meet you in person on 5/4, but I'm a fan from too-far. And no need bringing your wallet to the game because the entire overlook will be taking care of you. I'm sure of it. CHEERS!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:06 AM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 136

Prediction - Baseball will be played tonight with 1st pitch at 6:35...

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:09 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 137

Will they be selling standing room only tickets? That might be your best bet.

I agree with OG Jeff and twinlves, a retrospective would be fun. Especially comparing construction photos with the finished product.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:11 AM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 138

FSNorth.com has a series of videos from different parts of Target Field.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:16 AM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 139

Ok I didn't sleep very well last night. (Channeling TTH: Rube Cred!!!)

Anyway, I was at the ballpark last night and ran into both St. Peter and Kevin Smith. Lots of hustle and bustle inside still going on around 7-8pm including construction workers at Hrbek's and the smells of fresh paint (sign workers were even putting up the Hubert's signs). Pretty neat to see the field and seats lit up with nobody inside and then imagining the bedlam that is sure to ensue 24 hours later in the same spot.

Rick: I went to the Automated Ticketing Machines to pick up some Brewers tickets I'd purchased earlier in the day online. It was an absolutely seamless process that I would recommend to anyone (minus the typical convenience and order processing fees). However, when I was done I played around with the machine to see what kinds of tickets were available for a few different games. There were $9.75 Skyline View seats still there (among 4 or 5 different price ranges) for tonight's exhibition game...

Ok 1.45 hours til the Dentist appointment and then downtown for several cold beers...

Luke: Can't wait to see you at the ballpark!!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:19 AM by Max Highlight this comment 140

I suppose I'll find out when I get down there, but I'm still curious...

Have they hung any flags on the poles that next to the scoreboard yet?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:41 AM by Natron44 Highlight this comment 141

chad,

Do you think parking levels will be less than what we can normally expect for a weekday game because of 1) it's a Friday 2) Holiday weekend 3) Actually Holiday for some businesses?

I may be wrong, but I think parking won't be as much of an issue today. Seems like a lot of people cut out early on Friday's and it is even (worse/better) on a Friday's for a holiday weekend.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:47 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 142

you think they will have some give away if anyone hits the target on the trap sign?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:53 AM by Erik777777 Highlight this comment 143

Former Twin Kyle Lohse will start for the Cardinals on Friday opposite Carl Pavano for the Twins, in the first major league exhibition at Target Field.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:54 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 144

Storm track moving pretty fast..Blue skies by Gametime.:):)

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:56 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 145

Hello - I have a single ticket available it's Home Plate Box 110 row 27 I need to dump. It's on stubhub where I bought it from. I live in Duluth and can't make this game [&%$!#] it's at $28 right now. I paid almost Fifty bucks. Please feel free to email me about it. I can only sell it via stubhub because it's printable and I need to log into my account to print it. I hate for it to go to waste. Thanks - Julie A.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:22 AM by Julie A. Highlight this comment 146

ticket has sold. thanks if it was someone from here.

Julie

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:29 AM by Julie A. Highlight this comment 147

Minn55441--

I guess I was just talking about street parking by my place. Last Saturday was crazy busy back here, with all the street parking gone by 10:30am, so it'll be interesting to see how many people are looking for "free" parking(though it's not free today til 6pm) and how early they start showing up.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:30 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 148

Just a reminder to everybody that you can text in photos and comments. Here's how:

1. Register your phone by texting or emailing your comment name (like what you'd use to post a regular comment) to: twins-subscribe@ballparkmagic.com.

2. Text or email comments to: twins@ballparkmagic.com

3. View comments and photos on your phone by visiting: http://twins.ballparkmagic.com.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:30 AM by Rick 149

Just picked up a bunch of pancho's at Target. $1.40 a piece.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:39 AM by PatMeares Highlight this comment 150

Chad, what areas are you looking for the free parking? What about Farmers market area or International Market square areas? Do all the side streets say no parking till after 6pm around there? Thanks!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:39 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 151

I'm not sure how it is over by the Farmer's Market, but north of Washington, most spots are metered and a 4 hour limit. Some are 10 hour(parts of 2nd st N and 1st st N), so if you get a spot right at 2pm, you can plug it for 4 hours and you spent $4 on parking. Most of it is free back here on the weekends.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:43 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 152

TwinkFan - The city and the Twins are trying to cockblock people from parking in the Farmers Market etc areas... 3rd Street North in the North Loop is a great place to find a free street spot.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:45 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 153

Ha, and looking out my window I just noticed that the surface lots just north of Washington now say "TWINS PARKING!" on them. Can read how much it is, though. The lot we drove past before the Gopher's game on Saturday(back by the Reserve building on 1st n) said $8 for Twins Parking. I think.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:47 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 154

Yea I would stay off Washington. I wonder if these business will be guarding thier lots. I see it's about 4-5 blocks from International Market square also! I will have to drive around there! My first game in April 17th 12:10 vs the Royals. Hope for 70 degrees and sun! I'm in section 326 in the sun baby!!!!!!!!!!!Can't wait!!!!!!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:51 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 155

Is there anything on the trap ad board yet? if so, what is it?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:53 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 156

And, it's raining. Awesome!

Not awesome.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:55 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 157

I think this has been posted, but click my name for parking map.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 158

And out comes the tarp!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:04 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 159

yes the trap has delta, the target logo, mortenson, and pepsi, i think its weel done because from a far it looks like the background matches the seats almost, and there is no dividers between the 4 diff. ads nice

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:06 PM by rolo Highlight this comment 160

well done..sp my bad

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:06 PM by rolo Highlight this comment 161

Vikeologist-

Here is a picture of the Trap sign with the ads on it. Click on my name. Found this over all Baseball-Fever.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:07 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 162

Probably better that it is raining now. Hopefully will move through quickly...

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 163

We need a good stiff breeze from the west to pick up to blow that shit east...sorry for weather stuff betaband but it is kinda a big day to be watching the weather...

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:11 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 164

Og Jeff they aren't trying to cockblock anyone from parking over there. They are trying to keep people from charging for parking over there. Big difference.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:14 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 165

I sort of wish the shingles thing wasnt a joke. It would be awesome to get some shingles like that for a shed or the cabin.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:14 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 166

How long until some ad wizard looks at the tarp and says "that'd be a great place to to put our logo!"?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:22 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 167

moda -

Owner owns property. Pays premium downtown taxes on property. Wants to allow people to park on property. City swoops in, says NO.

cockblock.

I get the argument from the other side. but it's still a cockblock. I'm glad I didn't invest in property there.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:29 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 168

Right. You can by all rights still park over there. they just don't want people using their lots to charge for it.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:32 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 169

jeff -

while i agree, i understand their motivation. the profitability of surface parking around the dome inhibited development in that area... the city is taking steps to prevent this from happening again... and as annoying as that may seem to people who want to park in surface lots - it makes sense when you realize the cities primary motivation.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:34 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 170

I agree with OG Jeff-

The "other side" says that parking shouldn't be allowed there because they would prefer to see that land "developed"....I also want to see that land developed...but as bad as the economy is right now, it's going to be a long while before a developer will swoop in and invest in those properties...Which is why I think the City should allow the landowners to charge for parking in the mean time. What's the harm?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:36 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 171

giveth for one season... good luck taking away next year...

you think the city is being painted as bullies right now? wait until the stories about them "taking it away"

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM by CJ Highlight this comment 172

http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/55414

looks like another band of showers but should have some time to get a game in.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:27 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 173

Huh, I thought that the city wasn't allowing parking on many of the surface lots around TF, but that they're not granting new surface lot operating licenses makes more sense.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:41 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 174

Teh city is doing the right thing for urban development and curbing sprawl of our core. And CJ put it right that once you allow it to happen, good luck taking it away. But still that wasn't the point that I was making. You CAN park over there if you can find a spot and want to park there. You just can't sit on a lot and charge for parking.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:43 PM by moda253 Highlight this comment 175

I'm just waiting for my friend from WI to show up, then it's beer o'clock, followed by Twins:10pm. Anybody else having a painful wait? Guh.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:52 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 176

Will the game be blacked out on the MLB Network since it is also on FS North? I hope not...

Also, thanks Fred for the pic, the ad looks very nicely done!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:53 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 177

Oh,Oh,,,Webcam is gone?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:54 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 178

webcam looks fine to me

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 12:57 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 179

Yep can only see about the top 1/5 of the picture on the twins web cam!!!!! BAHHHHHHHHH! LOL!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:01 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 180

The Twins website in general seems to be on the fritz right now. Tried accessing it earlier and all I could get was the top banner and everything contained in the website smooshed behind it.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:11 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 181

Web cam is working fine for me. Tarp went on at 11:00.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:13 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 182

Looks to me they did some updating on the Twins website. The drop downs work differently. Likely they took the webcams down, since there's going to be real baseball played there in a matter of hours.

Was gonna to happen sooner or later!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:15 PM by Jeremy Highlight this comment 183

the tarp is coming off, i'm at the in-laws for the weekend for easter. but they know I won't be missing this game on tv

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:23 PM by twinlves Highlight this comment 184

The webcam is still there, it just isn't included on the drop-down menu anymore. You have to click on "Target Field" to go to the TF page and then the webcam is still there as it has been.

I will be at the game, but am excited to go back and look at the webcam with 40,000 strong in the stands!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:25 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 185

weather.com now says it'll stop raining an hour before game time. might pick up again around 7 PM.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:28 PM by st. paul Paul Highlight this comment 186

Brandon...brilliant. Thx.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM by Jeremy Highlight this comment 187

ah ha,,,Thanks Brandon T

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:34 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 188

Yep web cam back and running! Will be interesting to see if they keep it up duning the season while games are going on! Not like you can see a whole lot. LOL!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:35 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 189

I think I read somewhere that the webcam will be taken down on OD.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 1:47 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 190

I saw a link earlier on the Twins site that the game can be seen on MLB.TV for free today. Score!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:00 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 191

The weather.gov radar is looking pretty promising. It looks like there's a halfway decent line of rain moving into the west metro now, but that will likely push through within the next hour or two at the speed things are moving. It doesn't look like there is anything behind it, so if there is to be more rain, there will have to be more development later on. I surely would not bet against this game happening.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:01 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 192

I don't think they would black out games on MLB Channel. They had Giants/A's game on last night and PacBell was half full.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:02 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 193

Players on the field!

It's sad that I am checking the Web cam every 15min instead of working.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 194

DreDogg - If the game is on FSN North, it will be blacked out on MLB Network. The spring training game about a week ago was covered by both MLB Network and FSN North and it was blacked out in the local area, but the folks up north could see it on MLB Network.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 195

Gardy named Rauch the closer...

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:11 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 196

Man just a big clap of thunder here down in Bloomington. May be heading north it looks like! Where is wrong call Dahl when you need him! LOL!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:11 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 197

If you can't get to the webcam heres a link

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:11 PM by twinlves Highlight this comment 198

Your welcome.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:19 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 199

TwinkFan, that is the line of storms currently viewable on the radar at weather.gov. Pushing through pretty fast.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:20 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 200

Looks like the last of the rain is around Mankato now spinning north and east. I would think should be good to go by 5pm!!!!!!! The wind will switch directions! I would bundle up if going to the game! Once this fornt goes through you will feel it!!!!!!Course if ya have enough beers maybe not! LOL!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:28 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 201

Trosy where did you hear that Gardy name Rauch the closer?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:37 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 202



Ready for an unveiling in the relative dryness beneath the skyway...

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:39 PM by Rick 203

Oops! Wrong statue! TV cameras
Oops! Wrong statue! TV cameras were wrong too!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:48 PM by Rick 204


Posted on April 2, 2010 at 2:51 PM by Rick 205

Steeks - It's all over Twitter like a bad rash...it is also on the Twins Website...

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 206

DUGOUT BOX SECTION 3, ROW 1 AVAILABLE FOR TONIGHT AT TWINS SITE AT FACE VALUE - CLICK LINK. WONT LAST LONG

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:09 PM by Tom Highlight this comment 207

Clear in Eagan...even saw a touch of blue sky!!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:13 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 208

Click on my name for the story from the Twins Web site about Rausch.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:14 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 209

What's with the $0 Skyline Suite tickets that come up on the site? Are those for real?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:21 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 210

We were going to go to Luce up until about a half hour ago. Rooftop deck instead. OUTDOOR BASEBALL!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 211

Max - I'll be there April 14...and hopefully lots of times after that.
Incidentally, I hope the Twins do keep the webcams running. They might have to shut them down during games due to MLB regulations, though. The Gophers still have their webcam of TCFBS in operation. I checked it like three days ago.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:26 PM by luke Highlight this comment 212

sun in mpls.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:28 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 213

The Plaza is a beautiful sight right now!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:29 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 214

I believe I just got four Skyline Suite tickets for free. Seems too good to be true. I almost don't even want to head down there to try in case I get turned away.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:31 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 215

Hey Buff, all the can do is give you the boot! Worth a shot!!!!!!LOL!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:36 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 216

Buffalo, I hope you were smart enough to print the tickets in advance and not try to do will call.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:40 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 217

The NWS has officially dropped the chance of rain for the rest of the night to 30%. Things are looking great now!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:41 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 218

Oh yeah, I printed them out. Trust me on that. They have them for tomorrow's game as well.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:44 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 219

I got one of those Suite tix for free as well !! WTF?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:45 PM by Julie A. Highlight this comment 220

I have no idea if I am right, merely throwing out a possibility, but maybe since these are just exhibition games, they wanted to fill the place up. I have NO idea if that is true.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM by jpberka Highlight this comment 221

party on gang!!!!!LOL!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 222

well they're gone now. weird.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:54 PM by Julie A. Highlight this comment 223

That's what I'm thinking. I actually got six for tomorrow's game as well. I was already taking my daughter, so I figured a few extra suite tickets couldn't hurt. Gonna try out the four tonight and if they don't work, oh well.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 224



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Posted on April 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM by Rick 225

Soooo wish I was going to one of the games this weekend. My first will be April 21. And I'm going to 8 games over the course of the summer. One each month with an extra in June. To those of you going today (well, your probably already there) I would suggest a small golf towel or shammy to dry your seat before you sit.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:00 PM by Bandgeek Highlight this comment 226

hey does anyone know if you can see the field from the top of the ramp adjacent to TF, i look at webcam 1 and never see anyone up there, does the security just whisk you away?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:01 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 227

Glad to see the weather clearing up for tonight and tomorrow.

Regarding organ music at the Twins, does anyone remember when the Twins tried to do away with organ music altogether in the late 1990s? Around 1998 or so, the Twins decided to retire Ronnie Newman and his organ and just use prerecorded, popular music. They clearly wanted to emulate the way the NBA routinely uses different songs and music cues. The Twins were so awful when it came to PR back then that they had no advanced clue about just how unpopular this move was going to be even though it should have been clear as day. The fans and media torched the club for terminating organ music. The Twins then tried the band aid of using organ music for the Sunday and Weekday afternoon games, implying that it only appealed to the seniors at those games, and got blasted for that half step before finally bringing back the organ music for all games. Of course the fix didn't happen until the Twins had earned a sea of unnecessary bad blood to go on top of all the scorn they regularly faced in the aftermath of the 1997 stadium flop.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:06 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 228

Fox 9 is live from YF right now. They showed Tony O's cuban sandwiches, gonna have to try one of those.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:06 PM by Bandgeek Highlight this comment 229

you can see if you're about 8 foot 6.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:06 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 230

That's why they put that big billboard up - to block the view from the roof.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:07 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 231

Darn it! TF not YF, getting hungry, they keep talking about the food, it's turning my brain to mush.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:07 PM by Bandgeek Highlight this comment 232

Anyone have pictures of the Carew statue?

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:08 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 233

Broadcasting 101 to Ron Coomer and the little flunky in the stadium...DON'T YELL INTO THE MICROPHONE!!!!! My god Coomer is already on my nerves and it's only been 5 minutes.

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 4:37 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 234

I tried Tony O's Cuban Sandwich tonight. Quite good, even though it had probably been cooked 20 minutes before I bought it. So far I've tried three food items at the park (Murry's steak sandwich, Kramarczuk's brat), they've all be very good. Trying to decide what to eat tomorrow. :-)

What a ballpark!

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 9:46 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 235

Natron and I shared a Vincent Burger when we got there (it was good but not $12 good) and later a cuban sandwich - ours was fresh and awesome!

Incidentally, I had my first ever cuban sandwich in Florida WITH Tony Oliva back when the Twins had ST at Tinker Field in Orlando.

JFH, I met your friend tonight and she's a hoot! I think she's decided we'll need an orange traffic cone on the end of our row to keep people from making us stand up to come through there. argh. lol

Lastly, I had an overwhelming urge to go shopping at Target when I left the game... I think there might be some subliminal messaging on the big board...

Posted on April 2, 2010 at 10:27 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 236

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