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January 29, 2014 12:03 AM

Reports in the media have been generally favorable toward this year's TwinsFest reboot. I didn't get to go, but here are some highlights as reported by BPMers who did.

First, from CSG Mike:

The crowds were not bad on Saturday afternoon from 1-3pm, considering it was "sold out." I think they probably limited it to the right number of tickets. I would compare it to a full game scenario in the LC. Make sense? Overall the spaces seemed rather disjointed. Unlike previous TF where it was all held in one giant space... They used the Suite level, LC, and service level (-2)...

The LC is where a lot of the action was. The 96.3 radio was broadcasting (and playing on the speakers), there were many food options, there were lots of games that seemed aimed at kids, they had additional signs pointing out the player memorabilia that is always on display, the press box was open and they had the Yard Sale. It was either outdated regular merchandise or game used items from B and C list players that I barely recognized. The best I saw was some Drew Butera items. I was disappointed. Oh yeah they also had some of the more corporate sponsors set up in the Metropolitan Club. Players Wives club, Treasure Island, Metro Transit, All Star Week Volunteers, a Get Tony O in the HOF booth, etc. It took me about 5 min to walk through the Metro Club.

Next we headed down to the service level. The main attractions down there were 3 things.

1. The Home Clubhouse. Neat to see, but also completely cleaned out and staged with the new BP jerseys (which DSP just happened to advertise on twitter last night).

2. The Champions Club was transformed into the FSN Stage where they had a list of different past players talking or running bingo. When I walked through Tony O was talking about working hard in school. It was kind of odd because I didn't see ANY kids in there listening to him preach.

3. It seemed like most people were down there for the collectors. It was the usual lots of cards or other items, most were over priced and uninteresting. I did find my Dome seat back so it wasn't a total waste.

Things that were a flop on this level were the Grounds Crew area. There was 1 sign and 4 riding lawn mower looking items. No one seemed to care. They also had signs for "$5 for 5 cuts" in the batting cage. There was no line and while I was in the CC I saw only a few in the cages. Probably not what they were expecting.

As I said before, overall it was unimpressive. The most fun I had was playing a game with myself of "guess who that player is before looking at the name on their jersey back." I was about 50/50 on the day.

Darker than it looks here

I've read lots of comments about the substandard subterranean digs for the card show. Having made my way through this space many times, I know how dark it can be -- and I bet cold as well. It's also basically just a basement, so there's really not much of interest to see there.

It's so uninteresting, in fact, that I had to go back to 2010 to find the last picture I took down there (seen at right). As you can see, it's a part of the ballpark which isn't very glamorous.

At one point the Twins apparently considered temporarily enclosing a portion of the main concourse with plexiglass walls for the event. That would probably be pretty costly, but what a great way to experience the ballpark in winter! I hope they reconsider this before next year.

From NotMendoza:

This afternoon I went to TwinsFest with wife and 5 year old daughter. It was a particularly good time for us as the Twins seemed to really focus on family.

We parked in the ramp across the street and took the club level skyway into the event. We went to the Metropolitan Club first and spun wheels for some complimentary licorice and baseball bat pen. While wife & daughter got a burger & fries, I chose to chill & look out the club level windows at the field.

A Twins rep walked up and asked if I wanted to join Trevor May or Alex Meyer in Fan Feud in the Champions Club. A contest based on family feud where fans join players to answer Twins related trivia such as "In a survey of 100 Twins Fans what is the first thing they do when they enter the ballpark?" While I do not like being in front of more than a couple people I figured what the f*** and volunteered us anyway and had about an hour until the event.

We walked up to the suite level where TC’s den was. Fortunately TC was not there as my daughter is freaked out by the bear. She did grasp my hand tightly as Spot the dog, mosquito, loon, and babe walked by. She was happy to get her picture taken in the den and was able to get a free Good Night Baseball book signed by the author too.

Later we made it down to the service level where Pops wanted to tour the Twins clubhouse. The line was about 100 people long so we passed on that. Then we went to the Champions Club where Bingo was being played. We tried to play but it soon ended after about 5 calls were made.

Finally it was Fan Feud time. Two groups of 5 on a team played in front of us. So we asked a mom & son if they wanted to play on our team when it was our turn. They agreed so we actually had a team of 6 with Alex Meyer being our captain. He was very personable in meeting everyone and good with the kids, as was the host, Corey Provus. When the question "Who do Twins fans say is the greatest homerun hitter?" was asked my daughter rejected our hint of Justin Morneau and responded TC. It was a fun experience for us and after three rounds of Feud we got t-shirts and a picture with Alex. He and Trevor stayed to sign for all fans who stuck around.

It was about 45 minutes before the conclusion of the event. We headed back to club level to get a balloon for the girl and walked through the Press/Radio/TV area. Pops wanted to tour the Twins clubhouse so we checked that out again with no line, as well as the manager’s office. It was interesting that the interviews with Gardy after the games are actually done in his office about 3 feet away from his desk. The batting cages were viewable and there was little to no line there as well. After about 3 hours of the Fest we headed for home.

Overall the Twins really focused on family this time around. While some areas seemed bare such as the media area behind home plate, other areas were really done up well such as the TC den. There were plenty of games and a lot of fan interaction with players and club personnel. During our walks in the hallways & rides on the elevators we went by Rod Carew, Dave St. Peter, Jared Burton, and Terry Ryan.

It took some planning to find things yet it was not crowded and there were not long waits for elevators to get to places. It was good to check out the Clubhouse & Champions Club as well as other places that are not areas I would generally experience. I thought it was pricier for us at $20 each adult $10 for a girl and $5 processing fee, but we bought very little food and got a lot of freebies. And it was good to be out & about somewhere both kids & adults could find fun activities.

It's clear from comments I've read everywhere that long lines remain the bane of TwinsFest. That's discouraging, especially if it persists after the reboot. Basically, if you want to get an autograph, or see the home clubhouse, or do some of the other activities, you may have to give up an hour or more of your time there to wait in the long line. That makes the increased ticket price even harder to bear. (I'll never forget the year I spent a full three hours in line waiting for Harmon Killebrew's autograph, and then only getting it because he was gracious enough to go 15 minutes beyond the end of his scheduled time.)

Imagine this!

Every year I come back to the idea that they need to distribute timed tickets for all of the high-demand elements. Technologically, it's an incredibly easy thing to do (sort of like taking a number at the deli, only tickets have times instead of sequence numbers).

If you want to see the clubhouse, you swing by when you arrive to get a ticket with a time on it, then go about your business until your time comes up. At that point, you walk down to the clubhouse and immediately go through it. No waiting, and everybody gets to see what they want. Worst case, you get a time on your ticket that is too far out in the future. But at least you know ahead of time rather than having to stand in the long line only to get turned away.

The risk in trying a strategy like this is that, if you distribute all of the timed tickets first thing in the morning, people will all arrive before the gates open and create a long line just to get those tickets. This would just shift the line and defeat the whole purpose.

So, to get just a little more sophisticated, you could even make the timed tickets part of the online system. When buying your TwinsFest tickets, you indicate which of the high-demand events you want to do, and get those times assigned right then (first come, first served). That way, you could actually time your arrival to coincide with your scheduled event times.

Or maybe the answer is to harness technology even a little bit more. Just register your phone number at the station you want to visit, then the system does a digital lottery and sends a text if you get selected. If too much time passes and you don't get selected, you get a text which informs you of this and encourages you to try again. (I just took a few minutes and sketched out how to do this technologically. Easy peasy. Hey Twins, call me and we'll introduce it at TwinsFest '15! Patent Pending.)

For the Twins, there are big advantages to solving the problem of long lines, the biggest being the ability to sell way more tickets to the event because crowd and line control aren't such a big issue. They'd probably sell more food, too.

Finally, here's from another Mike:

I went to Twinsfest with the wife on Saturday - just like NotMendoza, we parked in the ramp across the street and entered Target Field through the Club Level Skyway.

The Metropolitan Club had a lot of the sponsor booths and things, we got some free licorice and other things from KLN Family Brands. Treasure Island also had a spin the wheel to win prizes.

They definitely focused more on the family aspect of it this year, which was a nice thing to see. Lots of interactive activities and games. A lot more up-close interaction with the players too.

The service level is where all of the vendors and collectors were. I bought a few things, but was disappointed with the lighting. If they can find a way to make it a bit brighter down there, it wouldn't be as bad.

The line for the clubhouse tour was very long so we skipped that. It was nice to get a behind the scenes look and self guided tour of the the Champions Club, Legends Club, Press Box and so on.

Definitely a much more intimate setting and was glad they limited the tickets because the crowds did not seem so bad other than the line to the Twins Clubhouse. We were able to see many players up close as they moved throughout Target Field. Another new addition I noticed this year was that all players were wearing their home white jerseys which was nice to see. Much more easy to recognize the players that way.

The Yard Sale was nice. Reminded me of the moving sale they held at the Metrodome in November 2009. They were picked over pretty good when we got there by late morning. It's one of those things where you probably had to be there early to get the best selection, but they still have quite a few things. I found some ticket strips from Kirby Puckett weekend in 1997 for $1 each and bought a few of those. Also bought some St. Paul Saints and Minneapolis Millers mini pennants for $1. They had a lot of the manager bobbleheads for sale. Also saw a lot of jerseys and game used bats and caps for sale.

We skipped the suite level as that was essentially autographs only. Not sure if the Majestic Twins Pro Shop was open or not but we never made it in there.

I realized after we left that I missed the 2014 All Star Game display booth. Not sure what it consisted of, but would have been interesting to see.

All in all, I thought it was run very well. There are definitely things they can improve or enhance and there are opportunities to add things as well down the road. I wouldn't mind seeing them transform the field into a "Winterfest" type of thing that we have seen in Cleveland and Boston. Ice skating rink, snow tube hills, etc. I can't complain too much about the $20.00 price because it's basically an all-inclusive self guided tour of Target Field as well. But how many years can that go on until you have seen everything? I also understand they limited tickets to 6,500/day from what I heard.

Someone told me they heard the Twins are going to bring back the single game ticket sales as part of Twinfest 2015, which I think would be a great idea as well. Maybe they were experimenting with that this year with the sale of Home Opener tickets?

Our family didn't go mostly because other things on our schedule would have made it a tight squeeze. But in looking at the map, I didn't really see much that my kids would want to do anyway. From these reports, and others I've read, it sounds like I might have been wrong about that. The Twins appeared to have focused on family fun, which is a great idea (too bad it didn't look like that on the map).

One thing is for certain, if there had been snow fun out on the field or plaza (and it was a few degrees warmer) we would certainly have gone.

I've argued for a few years now that this event was desperately in need of a reboot. It sounds like moving it to Target Field provided the opportunity and the team made some good use of it. Now let's hope they tweak this and make it better, rather than reverting to the Convention Center or, God help us, the new Vikings stadium.

I'm headed out to the ballpark next week for a big draft party, and very much looking forward to hanging out there while there's still snow on the field. What better way is there to whet the appetite for another season of outdoor baseball?

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What font did you use for that fake ticket?

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 01:17 AM by wisco Highlight this comment 1

It's called KaiTi. Don't know where I got it...

Oh, and you asked about a soccer stadium over by TF, and I love the idea. Anything big built over on that side of downtown has the advantage of leveraging existing infrastructure. Having a little "stadium village" over there just makes a whole lot of sense.

I also dig this plan to put golf on top of the parking ramps.

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 01:26 AM by Rick 2

Today is a very important anniversary!

A must read for all those tree lovers from Michael Rand of the StarTrib:

As far as anniversaries go, Tuesday brought about an odd one — but a notable one if you are a Twins fan of a certain mind.

Reader and longtime RandBall blog commenter Newbie e-mailed an item from nationalpastime.com, and he set up their “this day in history” nugget with the words “today was the beginning of the end.”

On Jan. 28, 2011, the Twins announced their plan to remove the 14 spruce trees from behind the center field wall at Target Field. As the team stumbled to a 17-37 start and eventually a 63-99 season — 31 victories fewer than they had in winning the AL Central during their first, tree-filled 2010 season at Target Field — many fans became convinced that removing the trees had put a curse on the team.

Those superstitious fans certainly have their share of what could be considered circumstantial evidence. Nobody had ever heard of bilateral leg weakness or Tsuyoshi Nishioka before the trees came out. When the setbacks kept mounting in 2012 and 2013, giving the Twins three consecutive seasons with at least 96 losses, the tree theory continued to thrive.

More realistic Twins fans recognize that a dramatic drop-off in pitching, some untimely injuries on offense, some bad free agent decisions and a farm system that dried up for several years are the main reasons for the slide, but believing in a curse — or at least that the curse caused those things to happen — is more entertaining.

The original decision, though, was prompted by safety concerns. Joe Mauer said, “It was one of the worst backdrops that we’ve seen,” while Michael Cuddyer said trying to hit during day games was “literally scary” because shadows made it hard to see.

Rumors floated around in October 2012 that the trees might be making a comeback, but nothing came of it. Fans were curious enough that Twins President Dave St. Peter e-mailed writers to tell them no changes were planned for 2013.

Perhaps the only thing that will remove the curse (or at least talk of it) is a winning season fueled by players like Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano — youngsters who never knew Target Field when the trees were in center field.

MICHAEL RAND

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 06:52 AM by ole Highlight this comment 3

Rick, what you specifically mention by your Timed Ticketing suggestion is pretty much exactly how the Disney FastPass system for rides works...and it works really well in my opinion. Limited number of tickets per specific time window to ride throughout the day. I think applying it to Autograph sessions at TwinsFest would be a perfect solution. The issues you suggest are pretty obvious but I think your resolutions would work as well. Either doing it online coinciding with your ticket or registering your phone would be great but you could take it one step farther and include an app for smartphones. You could activate that part of the app the day of the event at a specific time and start a "line" that assigns times as you register and then notifies you when your time is about to start. Then similar to the Disney App you can coordinate your FastPass ride times better with other events or rides you want to hit. Or something like that. It's a pretty solid idea.

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 08:26 AM by jared Highlight this comment 4

They also do timed tickets at the Eiffel Tower in Paris. If you choose not to buy ahead of time online, you can wait in the "no ticket" line for hours. I think they only sell a small portion as timed tickets.

Even though the Clubhouse line was long when I stood in it, it did move fast. Maybe 20-25 minutes of waiting.

I agree that it was family focused. If I had my 4 year old nephew along, it would have been a different experience as he would have had a blast. I went with a friend and we both have seen a game at TF roughly 75x and been in all areas during other events. Nothing was new to us.

If they had somehow tented the main concourse and used that instead of the service level it would be a nice improvement. Although I am sure they would still want to keep the service level in play for the CC, home clubhouse, and batting cages.

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 09:23 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 5

As a non-attendee of TwinsFest- what was the aforementioned "white glove tour"? Was that a guided tour of TF? I thought there were "self-guided" tours but nothing formal.

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 3:18 PM by luke Highlight this comment 6

White glove tour was led by Clyde Doepner, Twins curator, in the Archive Room. $25 extra ticket for that. Alas, I didn't have time.

A few quick notes on my visit:

--The service level was as dim and chilly as mentioned. And crowded! I feel bad for the vendors as the congestion really dissuaded people from hanging out too much.

--Great to have access to the various areas that the hoi polloi rarely gets to see. In the clubhouse, the volunteer at the end (near Mauer's double-wide locker) said that beyond the closed doors were the weight room, kitchen, training rooms, etc. She said it would be open later on Saturday, but that the players were having physicals being done at the moment. Maybe that was part of the white glove tour?

--Clubhouse line was long, but as mentioned above, moved fairly quickly. The line I was not willing to wait in was for the yard sale. Much slower moving to get into the small gift shop next to 573 club.

--Clyde did a great job of rotating some of the displays and creating ones in other spaces (i.e., I doubt the clubhouse normally has a memorabilia display, but I could be wrong).
--$20 does steep, but it's a small price for a good baseball booster shot on a cold January day.

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 3:50 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 7

Fiesta, I think the physicals were part of the rubber glove tour.

/rimshot/

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 4:54 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 8

Thanks Fiesta. I suppose that would have been cool to see, and I'm sure it was worth the $25. Too bad you couldn't just buy a ticket to that and not have to shell out the $20 for what seems to be a pretty lacluster TwinsFest.
I'll even give a /rimshot/ for that F_T_K

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 5:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 9

Looking around on the internet today and I found out that in preparation for the All Star Game, Major League baseball forces all selected venues to put up some sort of security perimeter around the ballpark for security reasons. The Twins had three choices-put up a permanent Granite fence, or have dump trucks or highway barriers do the job temporarily. The Twins the article said opted to put up a permanent granite barrier around the perimeter of the ballpark. Anybody else know anything more?

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 9:49 PM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 10

I wonder what counts as a "barrier." Target Field is already surrounded by a bunch of modern security elements, including those cement posts (what are those things called again?) that prevent vehicles from getting too close to the gates.

One side of the ballpark is blockaded by the LRT tracks, another by the HERC, and a portion of a third by the B ramp. The most exposed would probably be the Seventh Street side, and they may need only to add more posts...

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 10:14 PM by Rick 11

After a little bit of research today, it became obvious that my brilliant new business idea -- paging by text message for people waiting in lines -- is already well-covered by the same companies which handle restaurant pagers.

However, the "digital lottery" concept isn't really out there, probably because there's a pretty small market for such a thing. The Twins would have to be trailblazers on that. But I stand ready to make it happen!

Posted on January 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM by Rick 12

I have an 8 or 10 game share in my LC season ticket group available. Two seats/game, Legends Club Section G, row 2. Email me using the link if interested.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 10:37 AM by Jfh Highlight this comment 13

Check out the link for a picture of the proposed security enhancements for Target Field. In the link it is the last picture, which shows granite barriers and planting beds lining the street.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 1:30 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 14

St. Paul Saints Snowball Classic is on Saturday (2/1) at 1:00. From the Saint's site:

For brave baseball fans willing to bear the cold, the Saints and Jacob Leinenkugel Brewing Company are bringing the spirit of summer with the Summer Shandy Snowball Classic on Saturday, February 1. While another big game is striking out by not allowing tailgating, the Saints are opening their parking lot at 11:00 a.m. for consumers interested in bringing grills, cooking their favorite foods and drinking an ice-cold Leinie’s Summer Shandy. Gates to Midway Stadium open at 12:00 p.m. with the five-inning game beginning at 1:00 p.m.

Click name for link.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 1:34 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 15

Check out the link for the newest renderings showing the enhancement package for Target Field Station.

From journalmpls.com...
New transit hub will open May 17, featuring a "light garden," video board, giant clock, and iconic sign

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 1:35 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 16

Could ending copyright protection on stadiums end owners asking public for stadiu. subidies.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 1:49 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 17

That copyright proposal has roughly the same chances as Ron Coomer getting a minor league deal with the Twins and an invite to spring training.

(Wait. Given how the Twins are handing out those things this year, maybe that's not as unlikely as it otherwise would be.)

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 2:20 PM by Rick 18

Testing 1234

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 2:22 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 19

Don't think we will see old Larry boy ever on this list. Click for link!

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 2:25 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 20

OK, Larry bashing is over. From here on out I will delete such comments.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 2:51 PM by Rick 21

I like that proposal. Sounds like it would make it way easier to sell my TF photos to all you friendly gents. Or not, its worth a shot.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 2:59 PM by jared Highlight this comment 22

Oh, I definitely like the idea too and would support it. But the same forces which keep the NFL rolling in dough would surely kill that idea before the ink was dry.

I'm in the process of a project utilizing some of the photos I've taken over the years, and each one has to be completely scrubbed of TC logos (among other intellectual property elements) before it can be used. Barring that, I would have to get permission from the Twins (for a fee) to use them.

It's not that I don't support intellectual property rights. I do. But within a facility like Target Field, which is owned and was largely paid for by the public, there should be reasonable exceptions.

In truth, those exceptions do exist already within the law. But try to exercise them and you'll get a friendly call from some lawyer who will make sure that if you don't pay them, you'll have to pay somebody else to defend you.

Jared, have you ever tried to work out a deal with the Twins to sell your photos?

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 3:14 PM by Rick 23

linky for the interchange webcam site so yall can see the progress. I will try to start heading down there to snap some images to share as the spring progresses and hopefully I will be there for the opening as well.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 3:15 PM by jared Highlight this comment 24

I would love to see some photos of the The Interchange Jared. I've tried to follow the progress on the webcam, but the angles, shadows and snow cover make it really difficult to make out much detail.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 3:21 PM by terry Highlight this comment 25

I sent them a letter late in the 2010 season, after getting a free consult from an IP lawyer downtown and emailed someone at the MLB offices. I didn't know exactly what to ask for, so I asked to work out something that would allow me to sell them since so many people were asking. The Twins replied in letter form with a flat "No" and I never heard back from the MLB offices.

On numerous occasions I have thought about trying again. But that is seemingly one heck of a David vs Goliath effort. Even though I know the business side of it better now, I feel I need more information than just a free consultation can provide (which I can't afford) AND way more cajones to go up against the Twins. It's not my style to be so pushy to get something but I know I need more of that too. Too bad at this point, I have lost so much leverage on the quality photo side of it because any pro likely has had their shot and could ask or has already been licensed to sell.

The worst part about it is that so far in TFs short history, the Twins are not shy about asking for any and every schlub's images of the ballpark all the way down to the dinky-donk camera phone images, for pretty much nothing in return. Okay, not nothing, maybe a pat on the back. And those schlubs are just willingly giving them away, they don't understand those images have value to the team. I am pretty much at the point now that I realize my images have at least enough value to not so easily just give them away all willy nilly.

You have to pick and choose your battles though. In those one-in-a-thousand/one-in-a-million shots the "exposure" helps you get somewhere but most of the people I look up to in the photog world say the "exposure" isn't worth it. Many are making a conscious effort to remove themselves from supposed "exposure" scenarios because it rarely ever pans out to gold.

And if you are one of those people that had an image or two of yours used by the Twins, don't take "schlub" personally. I mean that only in a sense that you likely don't understand the value of the image you are turning over so freely. It may not be much value but it has some, and you have to understand that and decide if the loss is worth it before you hand it over.

Sorry for the lengthy post, its a bit of a hot button topic for me right now as I am currently hopping that fence from amateur to pro and it is a real barn burner of a conundrum when you consider all of the pros and cons.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 3:50 PM by jared Highlight this comment 26

Jared, do you know Hannah Foslien?

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 3:57 PM by Rick 27

I follow her on twitter. I know she shoots sports and the twins. But that is the extent.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 4:17 PM by jared Highlight this comment 28

re: #21. Thank you Rick. From all of us.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 5:34 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 29

So far, Matt Guerrier, Jason Bartlett and Jason Kubel all have Spring Training invites for the Twins. My guess is the season ticket office's phone has been ringing off the hook. Perhaps we should be looking past 2014 and getting excited for 2015 and Buxton.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 8:15 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 30

What is the lifespan of the HERC facility?

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 8:33 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 31

SB Nation is doing a countdown of MLB parks, ranking them as to the aesthetic appeal of a home run. Here is where TF ranked.

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 9:44 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 32

I don't know how the new Minneapolis city council feels about it (they get the final word), but it'll be hard to stop the demolition of the Strib building.

From what I've read, preservationists are roughly split on whether it has any actual historical value. The original building was very plain, and the current facade was a much later addition. Plus it is apparently riddled with asbestos, making it a difficult and expensive rehab.

Frankly, I think it's sort of in the way. The best chance to incorporate the stadium into the downtown core is to open up that space. The planned park has lots of issues, but it's way better than having a big (vacant) building separating the stadium from the city.

My guess is that the council will see the advantages of having Wells Fargo and a park there and this is just a minor speed bump along the way (Linda Mack, quoted in the article, apparently thinks so too).

Posted on January 30, 2014 at 11:12 PM by Rick 33

As for TFs ranking, I think its in its proper place. I do feel Coors Field should have been ranked a bit higher.
Even though newspapers are becoming a thing of the past there are still tons of employees are in the ST building. Do they have an alternate ST location to go to if and when the building is torn down?

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 06:24 AM by luke Highlight this comment 34

Well, apparently the developer wants to tear down the building with all of the employees still inside. And one of the big worries is that, with the printing presses still running, flecks of asbestos will be flung high into the air, potentially causing a dangerous situation for the workers at the Vikings construction site.

These are the types of things that they're trying to solve. Nothing's easy with this project...

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 10:08 AM by Rick 35

Rick, Thanks for sticking to your guns on the whole no more Grass/Larry talk. It was borderline obnoxious!

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 36

Could Holiday Hotdogs also make the list?

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 12:07 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 37

Has anyone been following the new Vikings stadium webcam and the Metrodome Demolition? Nothing left of the east side of the property other than the Metrodome structure itself...Viking lounge, loading docks, parking lots, trees, ticket windows, the circulation ramps, railings all removed. Pretty impressive to see that demolition over the last couple of weeks.

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 2:05 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 38

Strib presses are no longer on Portland...they've been over on Plymouth Ave for a number of years now, I believe. From a friend who writes at the paper, I don't think there will be tears shed for the building itself. Much disrepair and many four-legged tenants.

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 3:25 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 39

Thanks fiesta. Didnt know it had moved. Although I know there are still some people working in there. Matter of fact I did a contract job in the Portland building last year. I think its probably mpstly the subscription department. But it is pretty empty.

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 5:01 PM by luke Highlight this comment 40

Third webcam up on Vikings website. The new one is on the Gate A side of the Dome from the looks of it. So there are now three to choose from. Aerial, live stream and "stadium".

Posted on January 31, 2014 at 11:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 41

Direct link to the new stadium webcams

Posted on February 1, 2014 at 03:15 AM by wisco Highlight this comment 42

Think they'll have an inside cam to focus on the progress of the stands, seats and suites once the stadium is enclosed?

Posted on February 1, 2014 at 12:43 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 43

I'm loving seeing the "days 'till" number at the top of the page getting smaller. And it is an even smaller number of days until spring training. I'll be getting to a couple games in Fort Meyers this year. Always a great time.

Posted on February 2, 2014 at 08:57 AM by terry Highlight this comment 44

The roof is officially disconnected, makes me think of how the stadium would've looked like if it were an outdoor stadium with the same interior plus a drainage system. Would probably look something like Veterens Stadium in Philly.

Posted on February 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM by gus munger Highlight this comment 45

Yes here is the link from the roof implosion yesterday. click for link

Posted on February 3, 2014 at 09:51 AM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 46

Re: post # 46, how many years did we baseball fans dream of seeing that?

Posted on February 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM by terry Highlight this comment 47

A planned demolition that worked. Unlike the one we tried in 1994 :). That mega fail still makes me laugh. It was a cool video. Thanks for sharing.

Posted on February 3, 2014 at 12:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 48

Clicky for some pics via KFAN...inside a torn-apart Dome. Good pics.

Posted on February 3, 2014 at 1:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 49

From the January BA meeting...

Target Field Operations Update – Matt Hoy, MN Twins, Senior VP Operations – Mr. Hoy commented on the variety of activities that are being discussed for Target Field Station once it opens this spring. Ideas include concerts, autograph sessions, KTWIN radio broadcasts, pre and post-game activities. The Department of Homeland Security has mandated that all ballparks start screening 100% of all ballpark patrons by 2015, the Twins will start this year because we will have the All-Star game, and will begin the process on opening day, April 7th. There will be a substantial increase in staff security and an increase in the presence of the Minneapolis Police. Other capital projects the team is undertaking this year includes a Social Media Clubhouse on the second level, and a new bronze sculpture of TC Bear. A dozen more trees will be planted on the second level above the batter’s eye and plans are to elevate the grassy berm area below the batter’s eye.

The Twins are requesting authorization to install a message center/ribbon board above the Northstar Vertical Circulation Building (VCB), as depicted in the attached concept rendering. The new sign will be used in the same fashion as the ribbon board above the ballpark’s main ticket office at Gate 29, to promote upcoming games and events at Target Field and Target Field Station, and will not be utilized as a billboard for product advertisements.

Regarding the public art projects at Target Field Station, design for the Granite Wall project is complete and the artist is ready to construct as soon as the wall is built and installed on the site. A new plan for the Cistern project is underway. The original artist withdrew and Hennepin County Environmental Services has offered to create an educational piece on sustainability at this site. Zoran’s bench project has been moved from the top of the cascade stairs at Target Field Station to the 5th Street entrance area.

Posted on February 3, 2014 at 2:21 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 50

62 days until opening day? I never have wished for time to move faster, but this winter has made me wish for opening day.

Posted on February 4, 2014 at 12:07 PM by ole Highlight this comment 51

The Timberwolves will be putting a new practice facility in Block E. The Twolves and Lynx will each have their own practice floor with new locker rooms, weight rooms, training facilities, and the works. Having been through their current practice facility, which is part of the Lifetime club at Target Center, and while it was probably hot stuff in 1989, it's very behind the times now.

This move by the team will fill up some of the vacant space as will a Mayo Clinic sports medicine facility. The Block E name will be history in favor of Mayo Clinic Square. The exterior will get an overhaul. It looks like Kieran's and The Shout House will survive along with the skyway and public access via it. This also finishes the owner's desire to put in a casino that won't happen in ours or our grandchildrens' lifespans.

Posted on February 4, 2014 at 4:48 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 52

I could be wrong but I believe the Jimmy Johns and Starbuscks are also staying? The Jimmy Johns is pretty popular on game days and other events at Target Center.

Posted on February 4, 2014 at 5:52 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 53

I saw that the renovation of Block E will cost $50 million and be done this year! Great news all around. This along with the Target Center remodel will change that section of Minneapolis for the better.

I saw this somewhere and it is brilliant. Now that it is Mayo Clinic Square we can say...
Block E = MC Square. :)

Posted on February 5, 2014 at 09:17 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 54

This reuse of Block E really does sound promising. Best ideas yet.

Here's hoping they can solve all the architectural challenges. That way the building could still have a life even if this iteration doesn't make it.

Posted on February 5, 2014 at 09:56 AM by Rick 55

Will they still pipe in the goat roping and classical music to keep all the rift raft out of there?

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 3:57 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 56

Rift raft? Is that anything akin to riff raff?

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 7:12 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 57

Does anyone have a recommendation on where to get a Twins jersey customized in the metro? East metro would be even better, since I live in Woodbury!

Thanks!

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 8:47 PM by Brandon Highlight this comment 58

Brandon,

I had a few jerseys done at Steichen's Sports in Roseville a few years ago. They actually made the jerseys that the Twins wore on the field. However, it looks like they've closed down. I'd be interested to know who makes the jerseys now.

Posted on February 6, 2014 at 9:18 PM by FD Highlight this comment 59

Apparently Viking PSL and ticket prices have been released? Does anyone have any details?

Posted on February 7, 2014 at 12:55 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 60

Clicky for new images of stadium

Posted on February 7, 2014 at 2:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 61

Clicky for PSL info. Plus the first look at seating arrangement

Posted on February 7, 2014 at 2:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 62

Still pretty good seats available for opener. Maybe the Twins will figure out that baseball should be among the things they market.

Posted on February 7, 2014 at 4:25 PM by ben Highlight this comment 63

It was only a passing thought, but those PSL's make me completely the idea of buying season tickets as a re-sale money maker. Yikes. That has Legends Club poor resale written all over it.

Posted on February 7, 2014 at 5:30 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 64

*completely abandon the idea

Posted on February 7, 2014 at 5:30 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 65

jctwins. - not exactly sure what your point is.

SBLs/PSLs are pretty much a given these days in the NFL. It's a shakedown of loyal, typically long time STHs for the benefit of the club.

As for baseball PSLs, as far as I can tell, only St. Louis has a strong secondary market for PSLs. As for the Twins LC seats, they were/are very reasonably priced. The problem with LC lPSL resale has far more to do with the team's poor performance over the last few years than anything else (unless you are talking about higher row seats in the outlying sections like A,B,Q,R - those seem pretty available at a steep discount).

The big problem is that the Twins do nothing to help an STH sell PSLs and apparently don't cooperate with the established resellers. But since the PSLs of any seat location for which the owner doesn't purchase current season tickets reverts to the Twins without any compensation to the owner, there isn't any real incentive for them to do so.

I suspect many that buy PSLs do so for the reason I did - to get seats in a better location than would have otherwise been available to them. I consider what I paid for my PSLs to be a sunk/lost cost, but I wouldn't even want to sit in Vikings seats that had a comparable purchase price.

As for resale, I'm sure most of the ticket brokers who bought PSL seats made their money back in 2010. Many will do the same for the new stadium and take advantage of the "new ballpark effect". But (and maybe this is your point) an individual STH that does this in the new stadium will most likely be extremely disappointed, as it would take far too long to earn the SBL amount back.

Posted on February 8, 2014 at 01:44 AM by Jfh Highlight this comment 66

Your last sentence is exactly my point. That's all I was trying to get at.

Posted on February 8, 2014 at 11:24 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 67

Luke, thanks for the link for those stadium configuration renderings, got a kick out of the sell-out crowd at the U of M baseball game.

Posted on February 8, 2014 at 6:41 PM by grizzly adams Highlight this comment 68

Sure thing grizzly. They are nice pics. Some I think are "old" ones (I.e. the Gophers one), but I liked the soccer, basketball and motocross renderings. I was disappointed to not see a concert rendering.

I was surprised with the hockey one. If the Wild ever get the Winter Classsic, it'll be at TF or TCFBS...not the new stadium (the WC is meant to be an outdoor game). And when we get the Frozen Four...the likelihood is it would be at the X, not the stadium. So not quite sure why the hockey rendering.

Posted on February 8, 2014 at 7:39 PM by luke Highlight this comment 69

I think the hockey rendering exists to show that even if it's unlikely, it's at least possible for the Gophers or Wild to play a game there.

The market is still absorbing the seat license pricing. Negative publicity should be coming soon. Let's face it, there is a season ticket holder since 1966 out there who had four seats the Dome on the 40 yard line. For the equivalent seats, that person now faces a $4,500 license per seat. That's $18,000 if the person puts cash on the barrel. If the financing option is taken, then it's minimum payments of $1,800 per year in 2014, 2015, and 2016 with payments of $3,155.75 annually from 2017 to 2022. That's on top of the ticket price. That person may end up going from four to two seats in order to stay put, losing that prime location in favor of inferior but cheaper seats or giving up going all together. That person, and others like him, will be mad and upset (I'd be both if impacted in this manner). The Vikings organization will have to accept that some negative PR will be heading its way. The local media will eat up stories like this.

My seats were upper deck, between the 5 yard line and the goal line, so the seat license pricing for an equivalent or slightly better, albeit higher, location is not as daunting. As long as not too many season ticket holders drop down into my price range, it should be no big deal. The seat license prices I'm considering average between $25 and $60 per month over the lifetime of the payment schedule.

Posted on February 9, 2014 at 10:18 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 70

The hockey one is definitely weird. I guess it's nice to know it's possible, but the only way one gets played there is if the NHL decides to do something new. And that decision would be ridiculed from all angles.

The Gophers will never play a special game in that stadium b/c they want to keep all the revenues by holding it at TCF. The Frozen Four won't go there b/c there are already attendance issues when the hold them in large NHL arenas if a local team doesn't make it that far.

So yea, that one is just weird. But these images are aspirational a lot of the time anyway (see Gopher baseball attendance).

Posted on February 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 71

Looks like the demo crew has started crashing into the walls of the Metrodome, according to the webcam (especially visible in the "Stadium" view).

Posted on February 10, 2014 at 1:33 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 72

Apart from the Metrodome, another stadium from Twins history passing into history. Tinker Field, the long time spring training home of the Twins and before they came to Minnesota the Senators, is being demolished as part of a massive renovation for the Florida Citrus Bowl, which badly needs it. The football stadium always loomed behind the right field wall. That stadium was way behind the times and is undergoing a massive renovation needed to provide better specatator facilities and premium seating.

Expansion of the concourses on the lower tier and improving general access would cut right field to just 240 feet, way to low to be feasible. Meanwhile Tinker Field's grandstand is from, I think, the 1930s and is generally a disaster. It would require a ton a money to fix without making much headway, so the decision was made to just tear it down. McCracken Field, the adjacent practice field, will get a new grandstand to enable it to take Tinker Field's place as a home for amateur baseball and potentially a low level minor league team in Orlando.

Posted on February 10, 2014 at 2:39 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 73

Fancy schmancy New Vikings Stadium website. See link.

Posted on February 10, 2014 at 2:48 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 74

I went to a game at Tinker Field more than 30 years ago and the place was pretty tired even then. The only thing going for it was its history. It had been home to the Senators/Twins since the 1930's and was named for Orlando native Joe Tinker. A lot of great ballplayers must played on that field.

Posted on February 10, 2014 at 2:49 PM by terry Highlight this comment 75

Apart from the Metrodome, another stadium from Twins history passing into history. Tinker Field, the long time spring training home of the Twins and before they came to Minnesota the Senators, is being demolished as part of a massive renovation for the Florida Citrus Bowl, which badly needs it. The football stadium always loomed behind the right field wall. That stadium was way behind the times and is undergoing a massive renovation needed to provide better specatator facilities and premium seating.

Expansion of the concourses on the lower tier and improving general access would cut right field to just 240 feet, way to low to be feasible. Meanwhile Tinker Field's grandstand is from, I think, the 1930s and is generally a disaster. It would require a ton a money to fix without making much headway, so the decision was made to just tear it down. McCracken Field, the adjacent practice field, will get a new grandstand to enable it to take Tinker Field's place as a home for amateur baseball and potentially a low level minor league team in Orlando.

Posted on February 10, 2014 at 3:10 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 76

Terry Ryan announced today he has cancer. Clicky for statement.

Posted on February 10, 2014 at 7:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 77

For STHs buying ASG strips, if you do a double take when looking at your seat location, it's because all full season STHs have their 2013 seats, not 2014.

The Twins had to submit all of the renewed Season Ticket Holder locations to MLB prior to the relocation. They needed as much time as possible to figure out seating arrangements for their allotment of tickets and the Twins emphasized the importance of keeping the STH’s in their actual seats. (I'm pretty sure that the Twins also asked MLB to avoid relocating anyone in the LC)

It might be a slight disappointment if you got a nice upgrade in the off season, but this is probably a better approach than some clubs have used in the past where there have been some fairly drastic relocations of STHs by MLB.

Posted on February 11, 2014 at 12:04 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 78

Interesting article on where MLB teams sit when it comes to their "window of opportunity" for winning. The Twins are in the "Win Later" grouping that suggests they shouldn't go overboard trying to pick up free agents since they are too far off from contending right now.

Posted on February 11, 2014 at 2:14 PM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 79

I agree the Twins are in the "Win Later" category. Spring training games might be more entertaining than the regular season games. There should be a pretty interesting group of players with numbers in the 60's and 70's this spring.

Posted on February 11, 2014 at 3:15 PM by terry Highlight this comment 80

GoAUpher,

You gotta put a SPOILER ALERT on posts like that. I thought the Twins were going all the way in 2014. Well, damn.

TTH

Posted on February 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 81

TTH: I know, it was a shock to me as well. ;o)

Posted on February 11, 2014 at 5:32 PM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 82

I picture our Twins in the "Hopefully Win Someday" category.

Posted on February 12, 2014 at 08:32 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 83

I'm seeing more and more All Star tidbits in different places on the web... Maybe this has been out there a while. I don't think we've talked about it much. Below is the info I see from MLB:

2014 MLB ALL-STAR SUMMER EVENTS

Friday, July 11 - Tuesday, July 15
T-Mobile All-Star FanFest
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2014/fanfest/attractions.jsp

Sunday, July 13
The Color Run MLB All-Star 5K, Presented by Nike
Taco Bell All-Star Sunday at Target Field featuring:
SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game and
Taco Bell All-Star Legends & Celebrity Softball Game

Monday, July 14
Gatorade All-Star Workout Day at Target Field
featuring: The Home Run Derby

Tuesday, July 15
85th MLB All-Star Game at Target Field

Also I see that there will be a major concert event at TCF Bank Stadium. I saw that the annual DCI event will have to be relocated, essentially skipped this year.
http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=e0cf3422-51b3-4a82-93bc-745640e00220

On one hand I hope I can get the time off and basically live at TF for everything. On the other hand, I just want to do the ASG on Tuesday. I am sure it will realistically be somewhere in the middle of each extreme.

What are you most excited about or planning on attending?

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 09:46 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 84

Major concert? May it be Gorgoroth, Deicide and Dimmu Borgir. That would be one hell of a show.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 12:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 85

Mike - that's the typical All Star event calendar. The major things you don't list are the Red Carpet parade (free) and the HOF exhibit that is part of FanFest (the only event for which individual tickets are sold). And seeing the league and team statues across the city.

I'll do everything except the 5K charity run. The futures game is a must if you are a baseball fan, the Celebrity softball game is very entertaining. The Home Run derby is usually very popular, though it's really the most boring event of the week (varies a lot based on how much "star power" the participants have and/or if there is a home team player in the mix).

To just go to the ASG is nice, but a waste of a once in a generation opportunity.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 4:16 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 86

I had put the link for all of the Fanfest events in there too. Are those all typical? I pulled the list right from MLB.

Now that you mention it, I think the HRD is at the bottom of the list for me. My seats are in the LC, therefore not a great spot for any balls.

I'll do my draft in March and we are picking AS events too.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 5:58 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 87

Ooooh! Vikings and UofM finalized the TCFBS improvements. Clicky for link.

"an approximate $6.6 million price tag and will be covered by the $975 million new stadium budget"

"The list of modifications, among other items, includes a hydronic heated field, increased storage space throughout the facility, heating for various areas within the stadium, and concession upgrades in the stadium’s concourses. The Vikings will also install temporary bleachers to accommodate approximately 2,000 additional fans, bringing the total capacity to TCF Bank Stadium above 52,000. Construction is expected to begin at the beginning of March and will be completed in July."

Let's hope it's done before this major concert event for the MLB All Star weekend.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 6:43 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 88

So basically, they are taking money, out of the budget for an already under-priced stadium, thus making LESS money available for the new place? If they keep pissing money for the stadium like that, we ARE going to have Metrodome II on our hands...because there won't be any money left.
And, when I say "under-priced", I mean in accordance with costs for other new stadiums around the league, I.e. ATT Stadium, Levi Stadium and MetLife Stadium, all of which had construction bills of well over $1 billion each. And then, there's ours, which will be built for $975 million. Er, $969.4 million now.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 8:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 89

Luke, I bet there was a line item for $5-10 million of TCFBS improvements. I highly doubt this means anything is cut from the new stadium.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 9:27 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 90

The money for TCFBS upgrades was already part of the stadium budget, as per various articles about this issue. In fact, the money allotted for said project exceeded the $6.6 million final price tag by several million.

And since the Vikings have previously agreed to kick in an additional $41.5 million to pay for new stadium features that looked like they had to be trimmed out of the construction plans due to budget, the final cost for the stadium is looking more like $1.016 billion.

Don't worry Luke, the new stadium definitely won't be Metrodome 2.0.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 10:20 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 91

Looking at the latest Star Tribune article on the subject, the stadium budget had as much as $16 million earmarked for improvements at the U. So if you wanted to look at it this way, there's an additional $9.4 million to play with in the new stadium budget.

Posted on February 13, 2014 at 10:26 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 92

I noticed in one one of the new renderings of the stadium on the new Vikings stadium website that there were four pivot doors instead of five. And in another rendering the fifth door air flow was completely blocked by a big scoreboard. I am wondering what the deal is.

Posted on February 14, 2014 at 10:13 AM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 93

Tom, Good catch! I just went to the New Vikings Stadium website and some of the renderings have 5 and some have 4. I also saw on one the 5th door was only half the height. It looks like this is one of the details that is still in flux.

Posted on February 14, 2014 at 11:24 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 94

Regarding the scoreboard, I talked to someone from the Vikes on Thursday who told me they were planning to make at least the one at the open end slightly larger than originally planned. I'm not sure if that's captured in the rendering or if the door disrepancy occurs for a different reason.

Posted on February 15, 2014 at 10:23 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 95

This is probably a trivial question, but do we know how many entrances/gates will be planned for the new place? The Dumpty had a total of eight gates...and with these moveable doors, it SEEMS they are going to filter everybody into that one side of the stadium. Similar to what happened at Target Center...90% of the people enter from the First Ave side and the rest filter in through the skyway. And when you're talking 65,000 people, all of them exiting in one place seems to be problematic and a major circulation issue.

Posted on February 15, 2014 at 3:02 PM by luke Highlight this comment 96

On the schematics I see three places marked "entry." On is just north of the pivoting doors, one is on the east end of the stadium, and one on the south side. There are two or possibly three planned skyway connections, but they appear to connect directly to VIP clubs. The pivoting doors have no identification on the drawings as being entries, but I suspect they'll be utilized as exit points after events.

Posted on February 16, 2014 at 12:28 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 97

Correction. It depends on what schematics you look at. A complete set of schematics has the pivoting doors identified as a general admission entry way as well as an exit.

Makes sense.

Posted on February 16, 2014 at 12:55 AM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 98

I'm watching it snow yet again and hearing more winter storm warnings, but today is the first day of spring training and there were baseball stories on the sports page this morning. Thinking of that should keep me warm as I snow blow the driveway for the umpteenth time this winter.

Posted on February 17, 2014 at 08:42 AM by terry Highlight this comment 99

Nothing gets me more motivated for spring then days like today! Go Twins!

Posted on February 17, 2014 at 12:19 PM by tk Highlight this comment 100

Did you guys hear about a large chunk of the Dome self-demo'ed this afternoon at 1pm? Thankfully no one was injured. I did a few screen grabs from the webcam and posted to my Flickr. WOW!

Posted on February 17, 2014 at 6:06 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 101

So how far back will this delay stadium opening?

Posted on February 17, 2014 at 7:45 PM by luke Highlight this comment 102

Terry Francona must be surprised that falling chunk of concrete didn't hit a David Ortiz shot that was heading for the upper deck.

Posted on February 18, 2014 at 08:54 AM by terry Highlight this comment 103

Luke, you really are the worst... (eye roll)

Posted on February 18, 2014 at 10:11 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 104

Harsh. Seemed like a legitimate question to me.

Posted on February 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 105

Thanks Winona :). CSG, StarTrib (and other sources) said demo is halted indefinitely until they investigate why the beam fell "out of sequence". Granted, this isn't like the roof beam that fell during construction at Miller Park (killing a worker) and delaying opening by a year...but we're on a tight demolition/construction schedule as it is. That's why I asked. Maybe I should have asked how far back COULD it delay stadium opening, and not necessarily assumed that it would delay opening.

Posted on February 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM by luke Highlight this comment 106

I know that they talk about a "tight schedule" but I have no doubt that the stadium will open for the 2016 season. I see that they continue other work while looking into the collapse.

Sorry if you read it as harsh... It just seems like every story posted about the Vikes stadium is met with the question "will it delay the opening?" from someone.

Posted on February 18, 2014 at 9:28 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 107

Got an email from the Twins letting me preorder tickets tomorrow, Feb 20'th. Must be something new cause I've only ordered single game tickets in the past and always had to wait for general release. Maybe their trying to smooth out the amount of traffic the site gets on general release??

Posted on February 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 108

I only preordered for two games this morning. The only reason I did that is because this is probably the only game I need to get them at face value. I assume that the July 4th and 5th games versus the Yankees on a holiday weekend, in the afternoon right before the all star break with two consecutive days of bobblehead giveaways, are going to be a hot ticket. Plus I needed 4 in some good locations (dugout box was one), so I had to get in and early.

The rest of the games I hit will either be in my 20 game pack or some walk ups/stubhub purchases day-of on Fireworks Fridays and such.

Posted on February 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM by jared Highlight this comment 109

The preorder is nothing new - the preorder for full season STHs started Tuesday.

With Jeter's announcement, I suspect that the Yankees series is going to be even more popular this year than usual.

Posted on February 19, 2014 at 12:29 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 110

Nothing new for session ticket holders I agree. I've never been a ST holder though and this is the first time I've been able to preorder.

Posted on February 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 111

Well I tried to purchase some ADA tickets today, the selection is terrible. Only 4 sections available and if you try to buy from one of those sections you get the worse seats in that section. Very easy to tell there still up to their old tricks of holding back tickets and selling ADA tickets to brokers.

Posted on February 20, 2014 at 10:42 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 112

Oh, and for a game like the Yankees July 5'th, only two sections available, Bleachers and Home Run Porch.

Posted on February 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 113

I received an email from the Twins asking me back to the Twins season ticket family. Purchasing a 20-game, 40-game, or full season would GUARANTEE (Bold and underlined) ASG tickets...no thanks. Besides, I no longer live in the state.

Posted on February 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM by TK Highlight this comment 114

Has anyone heard if the Twins plan to put the over-sized basball cards that used to line the fence along the promenade up in some other location? I welcome the Interchange, but it required removal of those cards from their previous location.

Posted on February 20, 2014 at 12:30 PM by terry Highlight this comment 115

Not surprised about the welcome back offer. That just confirms season ticket sales are under expected levels.

Watch - existing STHs will get an offer in early June for extra strips.

Posted on February 20, 2014 at 3:31 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 116

Terry I wonder if maybe they'll put them on the outside wall of TF (like the banners the Vikes affixed to the exterior of the Dome?

Posted on February 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM by luke Highlight this comment 117

Dome implosion Sunday!

Click for link.

Posted on February 21, 2014 at 4:55 PM by Excited Highlight this comment 118

(Better link...)

Demo can be watched live via link via stream at 7:30 AM.

Posted on February 21, 2014 at 5:00 PM by Excited Highlight this comment 119

I love this note at the end of that article:

Note: *The FAA has established a 2,000 foot no fly zone (vertically and horizontally) that prohibits helicopters near the Metrodome site.

...just in case you were thinking of using your helicopter to get a better view... (I suppose it's for the TV stations, but it still sounds a little funny.)

Posted on February 21, 2014 at 5:05 PM by Rick 120

Now, if I read the article correctly, they're just going to put charges on the "roof rim" yes? They aren't imploding the whole structure, are they?

Posted on February 21, 2014 at 7:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 121

Luke -- As you desired, they are now imploding the entire remaining structure. Surprisingly, this will push back completion of the new facility an additional two years. The Board of Regents will not allow the use of the University of Minnesota's stadium for these two years. As a result, the Vikings have entered into an agreement with Gustavus Adolphus College. The new, yet-to-be-named outdoor football stadium (home of the Golden Gusties) seats approximately 5,000 and is located in (seriously) beautiful St Peter MN. The location is a nod towards the Vikings faithful summer training fans in nearby Mankato as well as the affluent North Dakota and South Dakota fan base. The Vikings are working around the clock with the city of St Peter and campus security regarding tailgating options and beer sales. I'm already on the waiting list for berm seating. I think that covers all the bases; wait, they have a great grounds crew (with an unlimited variety of grass cuts) and there is a Holiday stop & rob located nearby. Click for photos and more info.

Posted on February 22, 2014 at 09:12 AM by Raging Peasants Highlight this comment 122

Ok...and now a response from someone who isn't on his knees smelling his own $#it?

Posted on February 22, 2014 at 09:44 AM by luke Highlight this comment 123

Gusties stadium is nice, but the turf feels weird. Got to roll out on it during a girls lacrosse game once. St Peter itself is nice, but not near as beautiful as it was before the Tornado.

Posted on February 22, 2014 at 11:32 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 124

From Shooter's column:

"On Tuesday, the Vikings will unveil a preview center in downtown Minneapolis near their new stadium site that has a model of the new stadium with full built-out suites and club seats and interactive technology."

Posted on February 22, 2014 at 9:50 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 125

Back to baseball for a question: Anyone buy single game tickets yesterday?

I bought two as a treat for myself for the game on my birthday, but that's all. I'll wait until the season starts and check stubhub for cheap tickets for those times I feel I need to go to a game.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 08:06 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 126

Went down to the Dome to watch the implosion, and it was pretty great. There are now 3-4 large holes in the structure that go down all the way to street level. Fun way to spend a Sunday morning.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 08:22 AM by Jp Highlight this comment 127

The Dome looks very different. Jp, how far away from the blast site were you? I know they closed streets around the place for safety and just so they didn't get a whole crowd.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 08:56 AM by luke Highlight this comment 128

Just saw a video of the implosion. Some mixed emotions as there were certainly some good times in the dome, but those good times were all in spite of the building, not because of it. Well, maybe there were a few good times that were because of it - Tim Tuefel's broken bat inside-the-park home run comes to mind. But for a true baseball lover, the implosion was a welcome sight.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 09:10 AM by terry Highlight this comment 129

Yes, that sure was something.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 09:23 AM by Rick 130

Some day we'll be saying the same about Target Field.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM by ben Highlight this comment 131

Ben...you, nor I, nor Rick, nor terry, nor anyone else on BPM will be walking this cursed earth the day they decide to take down TF. we will be long gone when that sad day comes. Either that, or we will be living our second, third or fourth lives.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 11:47 AM by luke Highlight this comment 132

I was standing on the corner of 3rd st and Chicago ave, I emailed Rick the couple of pics I took and that shows how close I could get.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 11:57 AM by Jp Highlight this comment 133

Thanks, Jp! Here they are:






Confidential to Luke: Don't be so sure. TF will likely need replacement around 2040, and I hope to be around to see it -- and, God-willing, blog about it, too!

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 12:51 PM by Rick 134

:(. Hopefully its not "likely". As long as the Twins don't pull an Atlanta Braves and want out a mere 16 years after being there

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 4:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 135

And nice pics jp. Doesn't look like downtown roads have improved greatly since last Thursday

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 4:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 136

Wait. Rick, you think TF only has 16 years of life left?!? That Atlanta situation must have really got to you.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 8:25 PM by wisco Highlight this comment 137

2040 - 2014 = 26 years remaining.

The average lifespan of professional sports facilities is about 30 years and shrinking all the time -- Atlanta being a prime example.

Barring some major decline in the sport (or the society), replacement or major renovation of TF will be up for discussion in the early 30's.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 8:31 PM by Rick 138

(Maybe it helps to note that the Metrodome was declared "economically obsolete" for baseball in 1995 -- when it was 13 years old. TF will certainly get farther than that, but 20 years is 10 lifetimes in the economics of professional sports.)

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 8:36 PM by Rick 139

Doh, my bad math is failing me tonight.

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 9:02 PM by wisco Highlight this comment 140

Turner Field (sorry Teddy, TF is reserved) was renovated and scaled down from an 83,000 seat Olympic Stadium to a 47,000 seat ballpark. Perhaps 47,000 is a tad large in todays MLB, but did they have to bail out so soon? Scale the place down again...drop down to 35,000 seats then. Don't build a brand new place only 17 years (opened 1997) into its existence. They're replacing the GA Dome too after only being open since 1992...but at one point they WERE planning a renovation. Don't know where that went...

Posted on February 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 141

Lots of things about ballpark architecture and economics can change to make an otherwise functional facility out of date. If it still existed, Met Stadium would be out of date because of a lack of luxury suites and similar amenities. Who knows what changes might occur in the next thirty years to make Target Field obsolete. Hopefully, the place will be well kept up and incremental improvements made to keep it up to date.

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 07:19 AM by terry Highlight this comment 142

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 3:08 PM by Rick 143

Gawd --- they were using the "keep the team competitive" BS in 1995?

Luke: If this was 1980 you would be creaming your jeans in anticipation of the completion of the Metrodome. It was touted as state of the art (as was the Met) and heralded as one of the wonders of the world. You regurgitate what you are fed.

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 5:08 PM by ben Highlight this comment 144

Ben...I believe The Devil herself will be elected the next President before I ever believe the Metrodome was ever considered a "wonder of the world". You MIGHT be thinking roughly 20 years earlier when the Astrodome opened in Houston. THAT place was long touted the Eighth Wonder of the World. I believe the Dome was antiquated about six months into its existence.

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 8:00 PM by luke Highlight this comment 145

The Metrodome was obsolete the day the plans were finalized. The building was designed simply to satisfy a team (the Vikings) who were then playing in the smallest, poorest stadium in the NFL. ANY improvements over the Met were several steps up for the Vikes. The Dome was designed to satisfy basic needs to keep the team from moving. The building was never touted as anything so ridiculous as "state of the art," or one of the wonders of the world. No one in the state had any illusions about what was about to be built, but it was much better than what was here.

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 8:35 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 146

The economic success of baseball has to do more with how the business is run than the stadium. You could have a crappy stadium, like Wrigley or Fenway, and still make good money. Or you could have a really bad team, like the Astros and Twins, and still make money. The notion that a given stadium is "economically obsolete" is just a pitch by owners to get public subsidies. The only true way a venue becomes obsolete is when it's maintenance is neglected.

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 9:38 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 147

The only true way a venue becomes obsolete is when it's maintenance is neglected.

Oh, how true. The hardest thing to watch in the waning years of Met Stadium was how rusty everything became, and how rundown it was. This was by design, of course, as the teams used it for leverage, despite the condition being their own fault.

Likewise, the hardest thing about seeing the Metrodome come down (as I wrote in an earlier post) is how good it still looked during its final game. It had been impeccably maintained, and could easily have gone on for years, if not decades, hosting various sporting events.

It may very well have been the sturdiness of the Dome that forced Jerry Bell to coin that particular phrase (he generally gets the credit among people who follow these things). It clearly wasn't going to fall down on its own like the Met, so something else had to be identified publicly as a fatal flaw.

The real fatal flaw, however, may have been that the Dome was notoriously difficult to adapt. The two club areas, which were carved out of former suites, demonstrated this pretty well. Even expanding them out toward the seating bowl, they wound up cramped and with lousy sightlines. Expanding them toward the concourse was not an option, and the economics of replacing suites in better locations just didn't work.

"Economic obsolescence" basically boils down to seeing other teams making money in a way that you cannot, for whatever reason. It's a function of envy more than anything, and the direct result of the game of leap-frog being played.

But it sounds sufficiently dire, and thus makes a great bargaining chip. And you can point to specific examples (such as, in this case, club seating) of lost opportunity.

This will, of course, always be the case. Even as I type this, someone is out there developing a revenue stream which cannot be implemented at Target Field. So, expect to see "economic obsolescence" reappear again in about 15 years, if not sooner.

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 10:23 PM by Rick 148

Target Field is not what the Twins wanted - or at least a considerable deal away from everything they wanted, and it is but a matter of time before they work to remedy that. So long as greed exists, politicians are corrupt, and voters are stupid that scenario will be in play.

Posted on February 24, 2014 at 11:33 PM by ben Highlight this comment 149

Re-reading some of the lease stuff from 06-07. It looks like the Twins are legally committed to TF through at least 2037'ish. There is a part of the paperwork the says the county and the team are bound to spend upwards of $1 mil/ yr in capitol improvements. Hopefully all that "ironclad" stuff from back then was is as real as it seemed. But really the place has so much going for it that many other pro stadium tenants can only dream about (and the place is slated to be payed off early).

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 01:17 AM by wisco Highlight this comment 150

In regards to the maintenance issue and the Met...I thought I had heard once that in the last years the county condemned the third deck of the Met because of the lack of maintenance and virtually going into disrepair (cracking concrete etc). So nobody was allowed to sit in the third deck at the Met in the final years?? Did I read it wrong?

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 05:43 AM by luke Highlight this comment 151

I've heard that story about the condemned third deck also, but I know the third deck was always filled for Vikings games. The Twins were a bad team back then and rarely drew crowds large enough to need the use of the third deck. I know the Bloomington building inspectors had issued upgrade orders for the "temporary" bleachers that stood along the line from 3d base to the foul pole. Those "temporary" bleachers were there for the entire twenty-two years the Twins and Vikings played at the Met.

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 06:50 AM by terry Highlight this comment 152

My recollection is the deal with the condemnation of the third deck concerned the front railing becoming detached or loose during Twins season. Since there was little need for the seats up there at a point when the ball club averaged 11,000 fans per game or so, the deck was closed for a bit until repairs were made in time for Vikings season. At least I think that's what happened.

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 07:47 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 153

Any other word on the preview center near the stadium construction site with the model of the stadium.

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 10:24 AM by gus munger Highlight this comment 154

Not to change the subject, but these comments about a bad team and poor attendance suddenly make me wonder how cavernous Target Field may be this season. It could be really quiet around the old park.

I'm not even trying to be negative, but at this point there is little hype and a lot of uncertainty around this club.

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 10:32 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 155

The new Vikings stadium website has a really basic new virtual tour up. Mostly a combo of some of the smaller virtual tour shots they put up for the suites with some new exterior to interior looks, but it's something new.

My favorite part of every shot/video of the "people" in the premium seating spaces is that they NEVER show any of them wearing any Vikings gear. Not totally inaccurate I suppose, but still, I find the lack of emphasis on team spirit interesting.

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 3:37 PM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 156

jctwins,

I like to be optimistic at this time of year, but the official prognosticators -- who somehow are always extremely accurate (self-fulfilling?) -- are not giving much reason to hope.

Again this year it looks like we'll be going out for the love of the game (and/or the ballpark), rather than any sustained hopes for October glory.

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 5:29 PM by Rick 157

Anybody here collect baseball cards?

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 5:29 PM by Rick 158

I purchased tickets to six games, about the same as previous years. One game a month, perhaps more later. I expect attendance to be close to the same, maybe 2-3k less per game. This winter has been brutal, I'm betting many fans aren't going to gamble on pre-ordering April games. If it's nice though, I expect many to snap up tickets to enjoy a nice day.

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 5:39 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 159

Looking to rid yourself of a lifes collection Rick?

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 6:27 PM by luke Highlight this comment 160

Signed up for the Twins ASG lottery. Got a call today asking me how bad I wanted to go to the ASG and sharing how easy it would be signing up for season tickets. Oh year 5...,

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 9:01 PM by Tk Highlight this comment 161

Clicky for link about "Preview Center"

Posted on February 25, 2014 at 9:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 162

I see the over/under for the Twins was set at 70.5. Meaning another 90+ loss season. Ouch! I normally pick up at least a few games as soon as single game tickets are on sale. Add them to my 10 game share in the LC, plus a few random last minute games with friends... I have averaged 16-20 games at TF. This year I have ZERO desire to buy any extra. I would be surprised to be at 12 games.

It's brutal out there.

Good news for stadium building watching... they are putting up a second tower crane at the Vikings stadium.

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 163

Rick - I still have my collection but have not bought any in a long time. I got hooked in the late 70s and quit in the early 90s when there was way too much product getting put out there. My son (10) gets an occasional pack at a b-day party and other places but hasn't gotten big into it. We still like to go through some of the old stash together.

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 11:52 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 164

Hard to believe they will be playing here in 40 days! I would think once again the lakes will still be frozen over like last year for the fishing opener May 10th still. Any pics of Larry out shoveling yet? I think our lads can win 75 this year! Whoo hoo!

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 1:39 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 165

Here's an article with some interesting tidbits about the Metrodome demolition.

For example, we all probably have wondered why they didn't just implode the whole thing. The answer is that the dust and vibrations would have been highly disruptive to the hospital. Makes total sense.

(We probably shouldn't be building stadiums next to hospitals, but that's a different subject altogether...)

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 3:32 PM by Rick 166

Well, it sounds like card collecting is pretty niche. I bought some over the weekend as a birthday gift for one of Noah's friends, and couldn't resist getting a pack for myself.

They were from the big wall of cards at Target. Seeing the size of that display always makes me think that somebody has to be buying these, but I really don't know who it is.

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 3:37 PM by Rick 167

I always think the same thing, Rick. So many cards, and prices seemingly way too high, but variation after variation keeps coming out. I never notice anyone buying them from the Target rack.

I remember well the anticipation of buying the first pack each year and seeing what the new design would be. Always hoping to get the next future star and usually ending up with an Al Newman, Rick Reuschel and Bob Horner instead.

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 3:57 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 168

Isn't there a couple zillion kinds of cards now? Different manufacturers, series, etc.? I had a pretty good shoebox full from when I was a kid but my mom tossed them when I went away to college (a lot of moms did that), that was over forty years ago so you can imagine what was in that box. Between those cards and the broken Killer bat from the old Met -----

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 4:07 PM by ben Highlight this comment 169

The good news is that old cards have no value anymore. It's funny how being able to get anything from anywhere has devalued what used to take place in a little baseball card shop in anytown USA.

Posted on February 26, 2014 at 5:35 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 170

Ok just looked at the 45 day outlook! Calling for low 40's and snow on April 5th. Opener on April 7th 43 degrees with snow showers! Be interesting to see how close this is. Not a 50 degree day thru April 12th. They do list 1 50 degree day for March 14th however! LOL! Mercy!

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 171

Where do they truck all the dome debris to? Iowa?

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 172

I think the trick to cards these days is just finding a set you enjoy and going with them. I like the Allen & Ginter cards that Topps has been putting out. They are fairly reasonably priced and are sort of eccentric. Designed with artwork to look like the old tobacco cards they do more than baseball in their set with the occasional celebrity or other sporting stars included. They usually have some sort of puzzle built into the cards that changes every year. The chase sets are kinda cool even if I haven't finished them ever. Strangely enough they do DNA cards as well where included within the card is a piece of DNA from a historical figure. One unique chase set they did a few years ago was a set about flowers where they actually included seeds from the flower the card was about inside the card. So if you planted the card in your backyard it would grow flowers.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 10:38 AM by Schda Highlight this comment 173

For Christ's sake twinkfan, a 45-day forecast is like reading next Sundays newspaper today. No way are they ever accurate. They really can't even nail down a 5-day forecast...lol

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 12:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 174

So you liked that 45 day outlook luke? LOL! I dunno what wrong call Dahl or Kenny Butlow or the Goof on the Roof would say to that though! We shall see!!

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 1:32 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 175

Well, a story like this was inevitable:

Season ticket holders since 1960, Parmeter and her family are deep in purple pride and cheer the team from the front row.

They are now being priced out of those seats in the new stadium, which come with hefty one-time seat license fees attached.

Four of the Parmeter's seats will cost $9,500 dollars each and two others will close $3,700 each. Their seat license grand total comes to $45,400 which is in addition to the ticket prices which will cost $19,200 per season.

"To have tickets cost this much, it's heartbreaking because we can't afford that amount of money," says Parmeter.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM by Rick 176

Schda,

Sounds like niche cards still can find an audience. Where are these things marketed, if not at the big display in Target?

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 3:08 PM by Rick 177

No Goofy...I'm saying that it'll probably end up being in the 70s and 80s by then...that is just how MinneSUCKta works. Jesus, if anybody likes low 40s in April...they need to see a shrink. We SHOULD be having low 40s NOW.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 3:38 PM by luke Highlight this comment 178

Very few fans, even in football, go to all the home games in a season. I'm guessing the Parmeter family is no exception. If I were them, I'd keep my $45,400 and just buy single game tickets for the games they want to go to. Heck, even the $19,200 per season just for the tickets is way more than the average family can afford, that's $1,600 a month, a nice house payment.

You don't have to be a season ticket holder to be die hard fan. And it's just as much fun, perhaps more, to watch the game at home or your local watering hole with friends and family.

Couple years from now, the Parmeter family will probably be happy they have been relieved of the 20k a year financial burden.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 179

I agree. They will just have to get over the sentimentality associated with something their father bequeathed to them. Basically, he bequeathed a very large financial burden (without realizing it).

The PSL configuration really does discourage speculators, though. Is that maybe part of the point (beyond the obvious monetary windfall)?

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM by Rick 180

PSL will discourage short term speculators. But I wouldn't expect it to discourage the long term professional brokers. They can easily make that 45k back over the next 20-30 years, especially if the seats are in a high demand area. Places where a group is willing to splurge sitting in once a year. They can take those 20k seats, mark them up 50%, and make 10k a year. Only takes them 4.5 seasons to cover the PSL cost. And realistically, first few seasons they may even be able to mark up 100% and cover the PSL in a couple seasons.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 4:35 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 181

In 2010 I met a bunch of out-of-town speculators that descended on TF. Their approach was to get as much out of that first year and then disappear -- which is exactly what they did. In fact, they simply moved on to wherever the next new facility was.

Are the football brokers that much more willing to make such a long-term investment? Or has that been forced upon them by the PSL structuring?

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM by Rick 182

I agree w/ Dave on the point where it can be more fun to watch a game at local watering hole and also it is fun to watch on tv from the tailgate lot. Definately it is alot of fun to see game in person but after I have been to a road stadium 3-4 times I decided to just go to game w/ no intention of buying a ticket (sometimes would buy from scalpers). I have a great time just being in the atmosphere meeting fellow/opposing fans. And not having to pay for ticket saves $ and sometimes $$$$$. On a sidenote one place I found interesting is Miller Park in Milwaukee. During the 3rd inning cops on Harleys come down the tailgate rows and actually kick people OUT of the lots and INTO the stadium! They give u a warning first and then they literally tell u to pack it up and head in. Only place I have seen that happen. Last year it was 4th inning and the throng of fans heading in it seemed liek 30 min before the game at any other park. The locals said peopel head back out around 7th inning and it is ok. Was just a funny site to see.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 4:43 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 183

70's and 80's in April??? Well I guess it could happen! Avg high on the lid lifter April 7th is 50 however. Looks like the melting will start in another week! We need a slow melt to avoid the floods man! Just saying!. I see FSN is televising all the home spring training games this year. see link

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 184

I think I will wait till they open the new football stadium up to rollerbladers and sneak a tour in that way!

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 185

Long term brokers live and die by having inventory. The go to place to get tickets so to speak. So they want good inventory for the long haul. The speculators you speak of are just quick buck specialist, not really long term brokers.

There are still long term brokers involved with TF. For example, Box 2 Row 1 seats 1-6 are owned by a long term broker. They have been listing these seats on Stubhub, and all the other major broker sites, since day one of TF. I watch these seats since they are wheelchair seats, even though they are never listed as such by the broker. I'm sure there are probably many more seats this broker owns, just the ones I watch season to season.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 5:04 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 186

You are definitely right about flooding. A slow melt is best...not only to prevent mass flooding but to try to save our roofs...lol. but, it has to start sometime...

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 5:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 187

Stories like the Parmeter'a abound every time there is a new stadium with new PSLs. But their story doesn't come close to the NY/NJ fiascos. I do find it a bit hard to believe that a family that can afford $19K/year in tickets can't afford the PSL, but it is what it is.

The Teins were fortunate in that their PSLs (Legends Club memberships) didn't anger people to the same extent because no STHs were being displaced.

As far as the speculators at TF getting in and out for 2010, that is pretty much true. But what most people don't know is that it was really dicey for actual fans/STHs that live out of state in 2011. Every out of state account was quietly frozen in the off-season and reps were instructed to dance around any renewal questions while the Twins tried to identify accounts of ticket brokers to ban a fair share of them (I have no doubt that there are still seats owned by local brokers). It wasn't until I escalated my rep to the execs that I found out what was actually going on. Not really sure folks wanted to tell me, but, to his credit, Steve Smith was very open with me. I actually felt bad for my rep afterwards, because I had written some sharply worded stuff, but he understood my frustration and knew that I wasn't the type of STH the Twins were going after; just wasn't allowed to say anything.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 5:13 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 188

Dave - that really annoys me. It should be flat out illegal for a broker to "own" ADA seats. I'm probably going to have to look at moving to such seats in a few years.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 5:16 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 189

jfh - I hope you never need to use them. It's a major pain being excluded from 98% of all seats and still needing to compete with everyone over the other 2%. Not to mention parking, may you never need to use a side entry wheelchair van. Van accessible handicap parking is a nightmare. There's very few handicap spots that are van accessible, and when there are, there almost always used by someone that doesn't have a lift/ramp.

Posted on February 27, 2014 at 5:33 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 190

Dave,

I feel for you. I don't use parking at TF because I fly in for long weekends, but that may be an issue if we end up moving to Minneapolis as planned. I have been disabled since birth, but avoided getting disabled plates until just a few years ago when my walking ability and general mobility decreased significantly. I get annoyed at Coors Field when people who clearly don't need them (or aren't with someone who does) take the few great accessible seats. To the Rockies credit, those seats are not available as season tickets; only sold on a single game basis. I don't understand why the a Twins don't do the same (or at least prohibit brokers from monopolizing them).

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 04:38 AM by Jfh Highlight this comment 191

I have a few hundred baseball (mostly), football and basketball cards I am very willing to part with. I have no idea if any of the cards in there are of any significant value (i doubt it) but for $10 and/or a good burger and some good baseball convo, they can be all yours.

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 10:15 AM by jared Highlight this comment 192

I started collecting cards as a kid in 1957. A friend who was two years older got me started by giving me a stack of '57 Topps (the only kind back then). That stack of maybe 50-60 cards included Ted Williams, Willie Mays and Yogi Berra. Sadly, the boy who gave me those cards was killed a decade or so later in Vietnam. Some thirty years after I was given that initial stack of cards, my wife completed the entire '57 Topps set. Lots of great shots of long gone ballparks in the backgrounds, especially Ebbetts Field, the Polo Grounds and REAL Yankee Stadium. Over the years I've also completed the '62 and '63 Topps sets which I had started as a kid. So much more fun to get the cards in nickel packs as each series was released rather than going to Target and buying the entire set - of whichever of the many sets are available - all at once.

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM by terry Highlight this comment 193

"So much more fun to get the cards in nickel packs as each series was released"

Not to mention the bubblegum!

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 3:22 PM by ben Highlight this comment 194

The fun for me in card collecting was the Topps Complete Sets. I think I still have one that has the Frank Thomas rookie card in it.

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 3:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 195

I just pulled a couple of boxes out of the attic and reviewed what's left of my card collection. It's roughly half baseball and half science fiction -- including a complete original Star Wars set from 1977 (along with Close Encounters, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, and more)!

The baseball cards are mostly from 1974-75, with a few from the early 70s. Fun to look at, and it's impossible not to wonder what they might be worth. But that thought didn't last long when I remembered that condition is everything to collectors, and all of these were extensively sorted and played with. They are pretty beat up. Also, I realize that I sold off anything that looked like it might have value about 30 years ago. A receipt in the box shows that I got $244.70, though I have no idea what I sold. Probably a good thing.

I found some fun Twins cards, including Killebrew and Oliva, team pictures, autograph facsimiles, even a couple of Bill Mazeroski HOF induction cards. (I don't know if his son still reads this site, but I did find a card for former Twins catcher Glenn Borgmann!)

Flipping through these I remembered immediately the frustration of getting duplicate cards all the time. I never even got close to getting a complete series, and I have a whole section of the box labeled "Duplicates" that is at least as large as the main section sorted by team. Opening a new pack was always such a thrill, but it usually got dashed pretty quickly. At some point I realized that I was mostly buying gum (which usually dried out before I could chew it all).

These are also all Topps, but of surprisingly low printing quality compared to the cards I bought last weekend. Many are trimmed incorrectly (the bottom cut off, and the bottom of another card visible at the top), images are fuzzy because the various ink imprints didn't line up, and some are just plain crooked.

Still, there's just something about them...

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 5:01 PM by Rick 196

I think one thing Vikings season ticket holders will need to accept is that "their seats" aren't theirs anymore. Previous Metrodome seating locations, along with seniority, only entitle the buyer to a certain place in line for choosing. From there folks must accept that the Vikings have nuked the old seating chart. Many people are used to watching games from a certain location and this will be a difficult adjustment.

The location at midfield on the Vikings sideline belonging to the family in the KARE-11 article is not intended for ordinary season ticket holders. Those are club seats with access to a large lounge area beneath the stands with a sideline patio behind the bench area. That this family has had that location for years is, sadly, irrelevant. If someone who's had season tickets since 2011 in the upper deck end zone near the roof wants that location, can afford them, and they're available when it's his turn, he can get them.

The Gophers did this for football, hoops, and hockey over the past five or so years and there are people to this day who are still embittered. That said, some people improved their seat locations and are happy. Regardless, there will be much more about this in the media soon.

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 5:22 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 197

I thought it was bad moving from row 3 at dome by 3rd base to essentially row 25 after you have dugout box. Can't imagine as a football fan.

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 9:58 PM by TK Highlight this comment 198

Those PSL stories are going to be a bummer, but I don't know how it could be done differently.

You'd think that, as a PR move, there might be some big corporation out there willing to underwrite the PSL fees for some of those founding STHs. Maybe they could band together and go seeking such a thing, in exchange for right of first refusal on unused tickets or some such thing.

Posted on February 28, 2014 at 11:33 PM by Rick 199

let's see if they can sell the stadium naming rights first.

Posted on March 1, 2014 at 07:17 AM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 200

How could the PSLs be done differently?

Well, the team could pony up the money so the fans aren't funding part of the stadium build costs for which they get nothing. PSLs are becoming the norm, but they are a slap in the face to fans, especially long term ones. In this case, they could have offered long term (say 30/40/50 year) STH their PSLs at $1 seat or something nominal.

It would be one thing if you actually owned the seats, but you don't. You want to take a season off? Can't do that and keep your seats. The first year you don't buy the corresponding tickets, you forfeit your seat rights, without compensation. If you are on a payment plan, you could be paying for your PSL long after you can no longer sit in your seats.

PSLs provide absolutely no benefit to fans, with very rare exceptions and pretty much guarantee that the average fan is going to be shut out. PSLs absolutely hit the blue collar fan base for the Yankees at NYS hard -loyal families of fans that had STs for years and sometimes generations found themselves forced from prime infield spots to the upper decks in the outfield or well down the lines.

PSLs allow the corporations and wealthy to "cut in line" and essentially steal the seat locations loyal fans have established after years and years of support.

Posted on March 1, 2014 at 08:17 AM by Jfh Highlight this comment 201

Spud - I still think it'll be US Bank Stadium.

Posted on March 1, 2014 at 10:01 AM by luke Highlight this comment 202

NO NO NO..."Say it ain't so, Joe". No SaNO for 2014. Nine months of healing and rehab wasted by the Twins front office and medical staff. No wonder the team SUCKS !!!!!!

Posted on March 1, 2014 at 10:14 AM by unknowntwinsfan Highlight this comment 203

There's almost completely nothing left of the northside of the Metrodome.

Posted on March 1, 2014 at 10:48 AM by gus munger Highlight this comment 204

Target Field and Miller Park (and Citi Field) are going to be the of the first three testbeds for MLB's new live field tracking system: "It tracks the speed and efficiency of fielders, based on highly accurate readings on hit balls—batted ball speed, launch angle, distance, hang time—and then how fast and how well the defenders react, capturing 30 frames per second on players and 2000 fps on the ball.... For now, the plan is for the cameras to be in three ballparks this year—Miller Park in Milwaukee, Target Field in Minnesota, and a second season at Citi Field—and every park in the league by 2015. Like PITCHf/x, it will be made available in near-realtime for broadcast and highlights."

Posted on March 1, 2014 at 10:47 PM by wisco Highlight this comment 205

Well, I just finished a little survey of my baseball cards, and the closest I come to a complete set is 72% of the 1974 set (534 of 745), plus another 300 or 400 doubles.

I have a couple of cards which are shown as worth something on a couple of valuation sites (Nolan Ryan being the best at an alleged $60). But it's clear that the guy who went through these back in the early 80s knew what he was doing. Almost all of the REALLY interesting cards which I know I once had (Pete Rose, Tom Seaver, Hank Aaron commemoration cards, etc.) are gone. That said, if you total up the supposed current value of the ones I remember having, it comes to considerably less than the $244 I got from him back then! Turned out OK for me, I guess.

It looks on eBay like I might be able to complete my set for $200 or so, or just buy a complete set for about the same amount, but I have no real interest in doing so. Nor do I have interest in selling them (except maybe some of the doubles which look slightly valuable) because they have allowed me to travel back in time while sorting through them. I'm sure I will want to do that again sometime. These boxes don't take up too much attic space after all.

In case you were wondering, there actually is a reason why my interest in baseball cards has risen recently. More to come on this little project when my next post goes up. (Consider this comment an unofficial pre-announcement for you diehard BPMers. Hat tip -- and a free set -- to fiesta on this one.)

Posted on March 1, 2014 at 11:51 PM by Rick 206

If I can tell one more baseball card collecting story. Back in the day you could buy penny packs with a single card as well as nickel packs. I vividly remember buying a penny pack in 1958 and getting excited to see the Dodger logo as I unwrapped it, thinking I had maybe pulled a Duke Sender. I was disappointed to find it was some spot starter I had not heard of named Sandy Koufax. Still have that card.

Posted on March 2, 2014 at 09:02 AM by terry Highlight this comment 207

All this talk about baseball cards reminded me of the complete team sets I have for the 1987-1992 Twins. Rather than have them in a box, I'm now going to look into how I can get them framed and displayed (well, the '87 and '91 editions anyhow) with each year's Homer Hanky. =)

Posted on March 2, 2014 at 1:15 PM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 208

Looks like the Vikings aren't the only team with new stadium/season ticket issues. Clicky for news on the new Saints ballpark and ticket prices.

Posted on March 3, 2014 at 08:22 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 209

I had a couple of early Koufax. Still looking for a Sender.

Posted on March 3, 2014 at 10:16 AM by ben Highlight this comment 210

Rick, you can get them at most places that sell cards. I've never seen them marketed. I only found them because I did a search for baseball card reviews and saw them. It was a toss up between them and the gypsy queen (?) which is also a Topps set. The Allen and Ginter cards just seemed more classy, and just more fun as a set (not that I think they will ever be worth anything unless you get some of the DNA cards or whatever).

The sad part about the search is there really aren't any good reviews about baseball cards. Maybe I should create a site and do some comparisons. I've been meaning to teach myself html. That would be a fun project. I could even do reviews on some of the older (80's hehe) sets I have. Some cool ones there like the Looney Toons Upper Deck Baseball set.

Posted on March 3, 2014 at 4:13 PM by Schda Highlight this comment 211

It's the time of year again to decide between mlb.TV and Extra Innings. Looks like mlb.TV will win out again.

Posted on March 3, 2014 at 10:15 PM by TK Highlight this comment 212

So, the twins and blue jays earn another spot in baseball history as being the first teams (and third) in MLB to use the new replay system with the twins being the first to benefit from the ruling.

The review period was about 2 1/2 minutes long which MLB says is longer than they are shooting for. For a first attempt that from what I understand wasn't all that clear of a ruling, its not bad though. Even though replay was already in affect for homers, this is a bit different setup now so There will of course be a learning curve.

I had a buddy down there for ST and tried to ask if he was at that game for some follow up on his take but didn't get a response.

Should be pretty interesting to see how that plays out this year. Then I also start to think about how the ASG this year could be the first to feature an official review. More Twins MLB history. Too bad its only video replays and not World Series titles.

Posted on March 4, 2014 at 09:55 AM by jared Highlight this comment 213

Weren't the Twins involved in the first home run replay as well? On that homer in the first official game at TF that went into the small space between the left field foul pole and the Twins offices?

Posted on March 4, 2014 at 10:41 AM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 214

All the outfield seating at the Dome appears gone by now. Also, looks like the decking on the lower level has been scraped away except between the dugouts -- and the 1st base dugout looks gone, as well.

Posted on March 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 215

The demolition is going much faster than I thought it would.

Posted on March 4, 2014 at 1:11 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 216

Wow what a difference a few days make at the dome demolition. Anybody know where they are hauling all the debris to?

Posted on March 4, 2014 at 2:49 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 217

Dre...I have to agree. When MSFA came out with that computer simulation of the demo, they made it look like it was a demo/build process...that they would tear the Dome down in phases to match the construction of the new place. That's the way it looked to anyway. Reality is, the Disgrace on Puckett Place will be gone by April :)

Posted on March 4, 2014 at 3:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 218

Meanwhile any pics from Target Field! Larry got the plows out yet? 33 days till the opener!

Posted on March 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 219

No pics but some video. Clicky for a "Good Question" WCCO did regarding all the snow at TF.

Posted on March 5, 2014 at 2:09 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 220

Going to Hammond Stadium tonight- great to be out of the Polar Vortex and at a ballpark!

Posted on March 5, 2014 at 3:49 PM by terry Highlight this comment 221

Didn't they renovate the joint recently?? Take some pictures!

Posted on March 5, 2014 at 5:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 222

The boardwalk around the outfield is very nice. There are several Tiki bars, complete with TV's that were showing one of the Cactus League games before the Twins game last night.

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 10:37 AM by terry Highlight this comment 223

Somewhat TF and BPM unrelated: what is everybody's thoughts on the movement spearheaded by Budweiser and Ozzie Smith to petition the White House to make Opening Day a national holiday? Apparently a petition of that nature needs 50,000 siggys for the White House to consider it.

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 3:17 PM by luke Highlight this comment 224

My thoughts? The folks in Budweiser's marketing and social media groups deserve a bonus.

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 3:22 PM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 225

Would it be more effective to send 50,000 Zygi's?

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM by Rick 226

//rimshot/

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 4:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 227

I like the idea except that it doesn't help when we open on the road... I always take a half day (or more) for the Twins HOME opener. Making opening day a national holiday would not be as beneficial as some are making it out to be.

Posted on March 6, 2014 at 10:16 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 228

True. It's a neat idea...but I think the White House might consider it a tad frivolous to legally declare it a national holiday.

I checked the site for it. The pitch (pun intended) is: "We think America's national pastime deserves a national holiday. That's why we're petitioning the White House to make it one. So help us reach our goal of 100,000 signatures in 30 days". As of 8AM today, 58,600 and change have signed it. There are 19 days remaining on the active petition.

Posted on March 7, 2014 at 07:55 AM by luke Highlight this comment 229

Some interesting bits in this new ESPN article about Mauer's move to 1B.

Posted on March 7, 2014 at 11:06 AM by jared Highlight this comment 230

Interesting article, Jared. Thanks for the link.

Posted on March 7, 2014 at 11:12 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 231

Bought tickets for Wrigley Field today and Miller Park last week. Some friends and I are taking our sons on a weekend trip in July. Cardinals at Brewers and Braves at Cubs. Should be a fun time.

Posted on March 7, 2014 at 3:24 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 232

Metrodome demolition/stadium construction video...

Posted on March 7, 2014 at 5:39 PM by Excited Highlight this comment 233

Here's an old gem, an actual clip of an old Twins game telecast from the Met in 1978. Enjoy it before the MLB douc.. I mean lawyers get wind of it and make youtube have the user take it down.

Posted on March 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 234

Great find! I can't believe channel 11 didn't use a center field camera which was virtually standard in MLB broadcasts by 1978.

Back in that era, the Twins typically aired 50 games on TV with a 4 home/46 away split. There were teams like the Giants and Indians that aired far fewer. The Cubs aired around 150 per year, as did the Braves on the Superstation. The Mets aired around 100. The Yankees and White Sox were in the 80s. After that it was a steep drop off.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 235

For those not on a mobile device, use this link.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 12:08 AM by Rick 236

Fun video. Some observations:

- Killebrew doing play-by-play (not what I expected), and he's pretty good at it

- Skinny players

- Relatively new padding on the outfield walls

- Seating area beneath the batter's eye (flag pole emerges from the center of it)

- Nice (if temporary) seats down the LF line (I remembered that being bleachers for a long time)

- Home run distance given in meters, how quaint

- Ground ball fielded by the third base coach who throws the ball back to the opposing pitcher

- CF camera has to be used minimally because it's hard to keep steady

- Bob Casey!

- Tight pants on everybody

- Red TC hats (they seem very tall)

- The box score for this game shows paid attendance of 6,499

And finally:

Baseball. August. 83 degrees. Drooool....

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 01:08 AM by Rick 237

Oddly, this game contains a bunch of Twins players wearing numbers which would later be retired:

Carew (29)
Borgmann (14)
Morales (34)
Marshall (28)

...and you can probably throw in...

Wilfong (7)

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 01:27 AM by Rick 238

Baseball at MOA! Brings back memories. Hearing Bob Casey do the PA. Seeing Bombo Rivera and Willie Norwood - the guys who were going to make us forget Larry Hisle and Lymon Bostock. And how can we ignore that '70's hair on Joe Boyle?

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 07:13 AM by terry Highlight this comment 239

Oh...and the fact that Midwest Federal "purchased" the broadcast rights. That was before Midwest Federal bombed in the whole Savings & Loan money laundering scam of the late 80s. Wonder how dirty their money was in 78.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 07:27 AM by luke Highlight this comment 240

It wasn't "money laundering". Midwest Federal, along with many other S&L's,including Silverado, tanked in that era. Bad business decisions, ie loaning money on mobile homes, and even worse decisions to hide how bad the situation was in the hope of pulling out of the nose dive, but not money laundering. Enough history and civics - back to baseball.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 09:02 AM by terry Highlight this comment 241

Homerun by Willie Norwood at about 27:30.

Thing I noticed the most was the background sound - you hear the pleasant hum of the crowd and the occasional cat-call. No annoying walkup music or advertising at every available pause in the action. No stuffed bear urging everyone to MAKE SOME NOISE!!!!

Just a quiet summer night.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 12:12 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 242

And outstanding stirrups all around!

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 12:14 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 243

Great sequence at about 36:15. Reynolds hits one down the line and Bombo Rivera completely mangles it and can't find the handle. Reynolds takes third and then gets caught up in a rundown between third and home. Bad baseball all around. 1970's Twins baseball as I remember it.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 12:21 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 244

Well gus you really sent us down a rabbit hole here. One of the links on that YouTube page was to this clip of Vin Scully calling Game 7 of the 65 World Series (click). Nice overview of ballpark dimensions and a review of Game 6 up front.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 12:31 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 245

Wow, what a terrible lineup, even with Carew in there.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 1:23 PM by JCE Highlight this comment 246

Looks like Mike Cubbage would've been player of the game with his Grand Slam. About the bear getting the crowd to make noise, wasn't there a loon at that time?

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 1:46 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 247

430 to center field. A dimension like that would be laughable in a MLB ballpark today. I think Whats-its-name-this-week Park in Houston is currently the longest...like 420 to center. Maybe 425.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 3:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 248

Never mind that...apparently WINTW Park in Houston IS the longest...but its 435' to center. So even LONGER than I thought (that's what she said)

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 3:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 249

Looks like Mike Cubbage would've been player of the game with his Grand Slam. About the bear getting the crowd to make noise, wasn't there a loon at that time?

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 4:43 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 250

Double Post, sorry about that.

Posted on March 8, 2014 at 4:44 PM by gus munger Highlight this comment 251

Today. Is a good day. Today. I received my tickets from my ticket group for the upcoming season. 3 games, all in the "good" baseball months. Life is good. Love is baseball. Today. Is a good day.

Posted on March 9, 2014 at 12:10 PM by luke Highlight this comment 252

"Love is baseball"

???????????????????????????????????

Posted on March 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM by ben Highlight this comment 253

What's to think about Ben? Love is baseball, baseball is love...whatever way ya wanna look at it

Posted on March 9, 2014 at 9:08 PM by luke Highlight this comment 254

You're one rare bird, Luke.

Posted on March 9, 2014 at 10:16 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 255

Regarding the bleachers in the batters eye at the old Met, those existed to eke out some extra seats for Vikings games. I don't think the Twins ever sold them.

Posted on March 9, 2014 at 10:59 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 256

Spud- when you live in a state like ours (my common hashtag is #MinneSUCKta)...you gotta look for something...lol.

Posted on March 10, 2014 at 05:38 AM by luke Highlight this comment 257

That small set of bleachers in front of the batter's eye at the Met was used only for Vikings games. Before those bleachers were installed, there was a replica Vikings ship in which the Vikings band played - yes a live band rather than the over-amped, piped-in music we've all become accustomed to. The bleachers were painted black to blend in with the batter's eye. Not sure it would have met with Michael Cuddyer's approval, or is he only particular about trees?

Posted on March 10, 2014 at 07:54 AM by terry Highlight this comment 258

If you go to the 1978 game link and travel further down the rabbit hole via its other suggested offerings, you'll find a game from either the last day of the 1967 season or the second to the last day with the Twins and Red Sox at Fenway Park. It is, at this time, the oldest complete MLB game broadcast in color that's known to exist. The game was produced by the Red Sox's TV carrier with its announcers and crew.

Posted on March 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 259

I remember watching that Twins-Red Sox game in '67. Still a painful memory. Zoilo dropping a throw on a potential inning-ending double-play and Yaz hitting a 3-run homer one batter later. Kaat feeling something "pop" in his pitching elbow and having to leave the game. Gary Anderson missing a 38 yard field goal ... oh wait, I'm getting my "Why-Minnesota-Sports-Fans-Are-Neurotic" moments mixed up.

Posted on March 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM by terry Highlight this comment 260

That band in the long boat also wore horned helmets that looked pretty silly. Try the link for a shot of the band in the background.

Posted on March 10, 2014 at 4:42 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 261

Anyone buy All Star Sunday tickets today? There were some nice locations this morning. Not sure why the a Twins/MLB didn't leave the seats to sell full strips though.

Posted on March 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM by Jfh Highlight this comment 262

I would imagine..."full" strips are accounted for as they go to the businesses and celeb bigwigs that buy them. And STH's. I can't imagine there are any left to sell.

Posted on March 11, 2014 at 05:39 AM by luke Highlight this comment 263

Actually, partial STHs have not had the opportunity to buy ASG strips yet; not until April. I don't get how they're selling Sunday tix now but obviously they're not counting on STHs buying all ASG Tix. Does cut into the inventory to be available to partial STHS, which stinks.

Posted on March 11, 2014 at 08:50 AM by BR Highlight this comment 264

DSP explained it on Twitter. The tickets that were sold on Monday were from the other MLB teams. Each teams gets an allotment of full ticket strips for all the All-Star events. Some of the teams wanted the Homerun Derby and the All-Star game but did not want the Sunday tickets. MLB sold the Sunday tickets the temas did not want on Monday.

Posted on March 11, 2014 at 09:21 AM by Joe117 Highlight this comment 265

I wonder who "the teams" really is. Management? The players?

I just went through my tickets for the first time this year splitting them out for my buyers. Interesting that the team chose to go with a "classics" concept for players and personnel on the tickets. Clearly there is concern about who is or will still be on the roster by the end of the season as compared to years gone by.

Posted on March 11, 2014 at 09:49 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 266

I bought All Star Sunday tickets yesterday. Rather than waiting for the chance at getting my LC group seats at $125, I bought with a friend in the Diamond Box at $75 (121, row 13). Saved $50!

I was surprised that they forced you to also buy a Fanfest ticket for $30. There was no option to buy ONLY the Sunday ticket. Still that is close to what our LC group is charging ($27) and less than the face price ($35).

I am looking forward to seeing how I find ASG tickets. I am not sure if I want to shell out the $375 for my LC seats (if my name is drawn from the hat) or try to find something in the lower bowl for closer to $200-250.

Posted on March 11, 2014 at 12:09 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 267

I have a nagging feeling that the ASG ticket market will be soft. Good for the general public, bad for STHs who hung on just for this over the past two years and will pay full price for their strips during their "exclusive presales."

Posted on March 12, 2014 at 08:45 AM by BR Highlight this comment 268

BR our best hope is that there is demand out of an interest in seeing "competitive" baseball when it has been absent for so long. Not that the game is competitive on its own, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

Posted on March 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 269

BR...has the market for the ASG been getting soft recently? Seems to me, interest in all-star games in general has been waning. But MLB still charges top dollar (as do other leagues). Seems the skill competitions garner more interest than the game itself.

Posted on March 12, 2014 at 6:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 270

Speaking of competitive baseball add Jeff Diamond, Ryan Pressly, Darren Mastrioni and Jason Kubel to the growing list of players who are using the terms "I know what I can do-it's just a matter of doing it" and "it's still early in Spring Training I'm not worried about it" to explain away their starts in spring training in the Strib today . My favorite was still Vance Worley a couple days ago stating it was wind gusts which affected his pitching. Funny it didnt effect the opposing teams pitching.

Posted on March 12, 2014 at 7:07 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 271

Did you mean to say Scott Diamond? Jeff Diamond was a player personnel guy for the Vikings many years ago.

Posted on March 12, 2014 at 7:57 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 272

Have people received their opening day tickets yet? I've received the tickets for my regular 20 game package, but not those for the opener. I must be getting antsy.

Posted on March 13, 2014 at 11:08 AM by terry Highlight this comment 273

The US Mint is coming out with commemorative coins for the Baseball Hall of Fame. They are the first coins that are curved, with a baseball design on the convex side and a glove design on the concave side. Clicky for details.

Steep price, at $35 for a $5 coin, $10 for a $1 coin and $5 for a $.50. Probably similar to other commemorative issues.

Anybody plan on adding these to your baseball collections?

Posted on March 13, 2014 at 12:52 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 274

oops yep thanks for catching that Winona Mike- SCOTT Diamond

Posted on March 13, 2014 at 1:51 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 275

CNNSI.com has an interesting piece where they have Populous share a design for a baseball stadium of the future. Given all the talk that's happened here about urban ballparks I think folks will find it very interesting.

Posted on March 14, 2014 at 09:37 AM by GoAUpher Highlight this comment 276

Interesting, but...a monorail?

Posted on March 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM by Rick 277

TF-related topic: the blankets are apparently coming off (saw pic on Facebook). Apparently the grass is as green as you could imagine it. They actually did it... after this winter from hell...baseball is truly on its way!

Posted on March 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM by luke Highlight this comment 278

No opening day tix yet here, terry.

Posted on March 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM by ClarkAddison Highlight this comment 279

Isn't that similar to how Wilf got the new Vikings stadium Rick (or how most stadiums get built)?

Posted on March 14, 2014 at 2:30 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 280

Anybody see how great the grass looked at Hammond Stadium? Caught some of the game last night on replay. Really like that pattern! Anybody know who the groundskeeper is down there? I see vegas has the lads win number at 70.5 this year! Ouch! Perhaps better pitching this year but not enough bats it appears. Gonna take a boat load of rum to watch the boyz this year.

Posted on March 14, 2014 at 3:40 PM by Twinfan (aka Twinkfan) Highlight this comment 281

Thanks ClarkAddison. I always know I can ask a question like that on this site and get a quick answer.

Posted on March 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM by terry Highlight this comment 282

Looks like they're down to most of sections 228 & 229 before the entire upper deck comes down at the Metrodome.

Posted on March 15, 2014 at 11:17 AM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 283

And, the last beam of the upper deck just came down (I just watched it get tipped over on the livestream). I posted a screengrab at the Baseball Fever Metrodome page.

Posted on March 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 284

Nobody b****ed more about that ugly concrete sepulcher than I did. But as the last of it comes down I have to admit feeling a bit of nostalgia for the awful place. Instead of thinking of the impossible-to-traverse concourses or the limb-threatening revolving doors or just about everything related to watching a baseball game, I'm thinking about going to games with my dad and the night the '87 Twins came home from Detroit and Kirby's homer in game 6 and Gladden's mad dash to 2d in game 7. Well Metrodome, you had all the charm of Soviet-style architecture, but we who hated you salute you.

Posted on March 15, 2014 at 4:06 PM by terry Highlight this comment 285

OK, we have suffered through three consecutive 90+ loss seasons, but the Twins PR department hasn't resorted to giving tickets away...like the Marlins have. Clicky.

Posted on March 16, 2014 at 8:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 286

You are confused by a monorail, but champion that waste of money light rail next to Target Field. Odd.

Posted on March 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 287

No surprise, "Twins’ losses even extend to ticket sales". Click name for link.

Posted on March 16, 2014 at 10:36 PM by Tk Highlight this comment 288

Hooray! Someone's trying to turn this into a political discussion! Finally!

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 05:42 AM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 289

You mean the article Spud? I didn't see too much of a political undertone in it. Steve Sviggum is FAR from "politician" status..he's a "playing card" in my opinion...but not a politician.

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 06:04 AM by luke Highlight this comment 290

Larry scrambling to get that tarp back on the field! Man brutal 14 day forecast that for sure!

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 11:03 AM by Twinkfan Highlight this comment 291

Looking at the webcam this morning, it looks like just the far-right side of the baseball press box is still standing, plus that mini-suite to its right. Those who went to many more Metrodome games than I, might one of you know what the mini-box was used for? Just a mini-suite? Owner's box? Auxiliary baseball media booth?

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 11:12 AM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 292

I think it was the scoreboard guy or scorekeeper.

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 4:27 PM by ben Highlight this comment 293

I was afraid we were headed down the light rail rabbit hole once again.

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 5:16 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 294

Ah I see :).

How many games will be postponed this April? We won't hit 50 anytime in the next two weeks. Which doesn't bode well for the Opener. I think we will postpone five games this April. Anyone else? And no, I am not brining up the roof discussion...we just need better weather. And I don't have games til May...lol

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM by luke Highlight this comment 295

It's Minnesota Luke. Want better weather ----- move to Arizona.

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 6:25 PM by ben Highlight this comment 296

Its March...this should have been gone last week.

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 7:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 297

Twins should of ponied up for a roof. You started it luke!

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 298

Often, March turns out to be the snowiest month of the year. We're never out of the woods until May, and even then we've had snow. So I have to disagree with you Luke; We can never reasonably expect this weather to be gone by the second week of March.

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 9:17 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 299

Dave...never. ever. Should TF and "roof" have ever been.
No...global "warming" should have been better than this. It turned out to be a total bust.

Posted on March 18, 2014 at 9:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 300

Weather and climate are two different things, Luke.

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 05:37 AM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 301

Somewhat true...but then there's "climate change". Which would also seem to be a good thing for us, theoretically we would get milder in a "climate change" scenario, yes?

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 1:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 302

What isn't Luke an expert in?

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM by Tk Highlight this comment 303

That climate change could be another ice age, so it's not a lead-pipe cinch that things would improve. Fortunately, many believe it's all still in the conjecture stage, so perhaps the point is moot.

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 304

Spud does have a good point. OK...enough pseudo-political issues for the day...let's think baseball.

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM by luke Highlight this comment 305

I haven't heard anything recently about the grass at TF. Anybody know if it's green yet?

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM by Rick 306

Any new food items comming to Target Field this year. Usually by now you would hear something.

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 5:10 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 307

I think, underneath the carpet, the grass is green. Saw a pic from Star Trib on Facebook. Looked gorgeous. Looked green. Looked like baseball.
Given yesterdays spat, I wonder if they covered it up again.

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 9:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 308

What were the upgrades this year to TF?

Posted on March 19, 2014 at 9:21 PM by Tk Highlight this comment 309

It's quite green in Australia. Click for link of a nice time lapse put up a few days ago of the transformation of the Sydney Cricket Ground to baseball. Here's also a nice pic with the classic grandstand in the background. https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10013645_10153919923490005_2120102782_n.jpg

Posted on March 20, 2014 at 11:57 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 310

TK, I think we talked about that a while back. It is mostly the new LRT station. They are also adding some new planters and bollards. There is the new ibeacon tech too, I'm not really sure what that will do for those of us that regularly attend games.

Posted on March 20, 2014 at 12:36 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 311

The spring equinox occured at 11:47 this morning. I am assuming all snow disappeared at that moment.

On a more serious note, I am looking forward to the opening of the new light rail station. I think that will be a great addition to the whole ballpark experience.

Posted on March 20, 2014 at 1:32 PM by terry Highlight this comment 312

I saw a test train at the station a couple days ago

Posted on March 20, 2014 at 5:13 PM by luke Highlight this comment 313

Rick - click on the link for a pic on the TF grounds crew twitter site. Amazing. Yesterday there was talk of the W Sox and Tigers (among others) having major issues with prepping their turf. Detroit is putting new sod down with only 10 days before opening day. TF has a great system in place and the grass is green after one of the worst winters ever.

Posted on March 21, 2014 at 07:55 AM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 314

I almost forgot to post this one that I received yesterday:


Posted on March 21, 2014 at 07:59 AM by Rick 315

My lawn doesn't look that nice, EVER.

Posted on March 21, 2014 at 08:46 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 316

Wow. So much sniping in the media already. The clubhouse is quiet. Nobody is stepping up. The players are lacking.

All winter long I've sort of been counting on things being better -- if only by a little bit -- this year. Now I'm beginning to wonder if this year could be even tougher to watch than last year...

Posted on March 21, 2014 at 10:12 AM by Rick 317

Random question about the new Vikings stadium. I presume that not only will Minneapolis bid for a Final Four to come to the new place, but that we'll have regionals in the off years (like at the Metrodome). However, in most of the modern stadiums that have large windows (i.e. Lucas Oil Stadium, Cowboys Stadium), black curtains are draped across the windows (presumably to prevent glare bothering the players against the otherwise dark seating area). No indoor stadium will have more "window space" than the new Vikings stadium, so I wonder what the plans are during games.

Obviously, evening games aren't a problem, but the Final Four would have a fair amount of natural light during the first game. And if we're getting into regionals (or even the 2nd/3rd round), there would be games with sun splashing across the entire court. Would the new Vikings stadium need to install massive interior curtains to pull across the clear roof and side panels, or some sort of temporary roof/lighting rig above the court? Or would they consider the amount of natural light to be such that there's not a significant contrast with the lighting backdrop of the seating bowl (since the intended lighting effect of the stadium is to create an outdoors feel)?

Posted on March 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 318

The Twins won't contend this year and may even have another 95+ loss season, but unlike the last few years the cupboards in the minors are no longer bare - even with Sano out for the year. In 2011 when all the wheels fell off, there was nobody in the Twins' minor league system capable of filling in. In fact the Twins' AAA affiliate was losing just as regularly as the Twins were. Now with Buxton, May, Santana, Meyer, Pinto, Vargas and Sano when he is healthy again, the Twins do have a hope for the future which they did not have in 2011.

Posted on March 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM by terry Highlight this comment 319

Since Spring is giving us today as the only nice day in what could have been a promising season, I went down by the Metrodome site. I had to see it for myself that it wasn't there.
And it in fact, is gone. Clicky for a set of photos I took.

Posted on March 21, 2014 at 6:36 PM by luke Highlight this comment 320

hoffalu - old news, but still worth noting:

Minneapolis Finalist for Final Four between 2017-2020

Posted on March 21, 2014 at 6:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 321

Rick -

I remember how well you detailed/documented the sun issue with Target Field before the ballpark opened.

Do you have any insight to the noise level of the new Vikings stadium? Crowd noise is a significant home-field advantage - look at the Seattle Seahawks. There has been a lot of talk about the size of the new stadium (twice the square footage as the Dome). The new stadium will be much taller and the open concourses may allow more noise the 'escape'. Also, no one has addressed if the material for the roof, ethylene-tetraflouroethylene (ETFE), reflects noise or absorbs it.

Posted on March 22, 2014 at 11:54 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 322


Posted on March 22, 2014 at 11:55 AM by Brandon Highlight this comment 323

I hope they don't call it Mall of America Field again as the pic suggests :(. It would bring back BAD memories.

Posted on March 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 324

The "Mall of America Field" on the illustration is a means of labeling the MetroDome silhouette only. Aren't you the guy who has been practically guaranteeing the new stadium will be named US Bank Stadium?

Posted on March 22, 2014 at 3:56 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 325

Posted on March 22, 2014 at 4:50 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 326

Yeah yeah yeah Spuddy, but you know how fickle Minnesota is. Come on man...they've talked for years about a different naming sponsor for Target Center, and in the end, Target always gets the renewal.
If that's a comparable silhouette of the Dome, USBS is going to be huge...and will definitely make an impression on the skyline.

Posted on March 22, 2014 at 7:02 PM by luke Highlight this comment 327

Kare11 had a story about Target Field Station. (clicky) The video board looks a little bigger than in the renderings. I am excited for this corner of TF to be better and rival the Plaza.

Posted on March 23, 2014 at 10:24 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 328

Much like Lucas Oil looks massive on the Indianapolis sky line. It should be nick-named "the ark"

Posted on March 23, 2014 at 1:46 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 329

Heeeeyyyyy not bad.
I know they mentioned "the ship"...that lends itself to an unfortunate blunder on national television and elsewhere.

Posted on March 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 330

I think the gaff you're referring to may escape notice since most folks refer to the stadium's tenants the same way.

Posted on March 23, 2014 at 10:02 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 331

Valhalla
or
Asgard

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 10:36 AM by moda253 Highlight this comment 332

Much like the rest of the light rail, that plaza looks horribly planned. From that Kare11 story, it looks like it would bottleneck people trying to get to the train. Not to mention they took the station that was literally right out side the front door and moved it down the way, just to force people to go by this plaza. It could possibly make sense if there were parking ramps over there but there is not.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 12:47 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 333

Touchè Spud. Touchè :)

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 334

The KARE11 story omits one thing which was in the plan (and I still think is true): The existing station (directly on the Fifth Street side of the ballpark) will continue to serve the Blue Line trains, and the new station will serve the Green Line (Central Corridor) trains. Together with the massively increased plaza space, this should make for a whole lot less congestion after games.

I know some people hate trains, but how anyone could not admire this significant improvement and upgrade is beyond me. It's basically the smartest thing Minneapolis (and the region) could have done for its transportation needs.

The hardest thing to visualize may be what it will do for the scruffy industrial corridor to the northwest of the stadium. All of that land just got a whole lot more valuable...

If there is a bottleneck, it's only that the Blue and Green lines share tracks between TF and the Metrodo-- er, former Metrodome site. That's a kludge which should have been avoided in the design of the Central Line, but was probably cost-prohibitive.

And it's too bad that we lose those old baseball card banners along that side of the stadium...

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 1:08 PM by Rick 335

Brandon,

I don't really have much insight into acoustics at the new stadium. There are just too many unknowns. (Same goes for the question of window coverings for basketball.)

Stadium designers know a whole lot more about acoustics than they did when the Metrodome was built. If the Vikings want it loud, they can probably specify that to the architects. But there's a whole new bunch of research out there about hearing damage in stadiums, and there may be rules forcing certain limits. I don't know.

Still, my gut tells me that the gigantic size of the facility suggests that it will be quieter than the Metrodome, perhaps significantly so. A lot depends on the surfaces -- materials, texture, and relative placement.

It's not that there won't be crowd noise, but that it won't be amplified to ear-bleed levels like it was before -- unless, that is, they use the sound system a la Denny Green...

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 1:21 PM by Rick 336

I hate "The Bank" and "The X" as nicknames.

I'm with Luke on predicting the name of the Vikings stadium, but even if it isn't that bank, it's still likely to be a bank.

But if it's to have a nickname based on shape, how about "The Rockpile" or "The Glacier"?

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 1:29 PM by Rick 337

I watched the Twins and Phillies yesterday afternoon and...um...how to put this...the Twins just stink...already. They don't look like they're having any fun. Everything looks like hard work. They look like they just plain don't have the raw talent. They looked overmatched by a creaky and lackluster Philly team.

The bright spot in the game was, of course, Ben Revere. He single-handedly got the Phillies going, and the little jolt of energy he provided was enough to make the old codgers in the Philly lineup remember what it was like to play ball on the playgrounds of their youth.

OK, I have to get over that trade. But really.

I know that Mauer wasn't there, and that it was a meaningless game, but everybody just looked like they were WORKING. SO. HARD.

And they still sucked.

So, what are going to be the stories this year? What is there that we actually CAN get excited about?

Somebody please throw me a bone...

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 1:39 PM by Rick 338

I think you hit on it a few posts back. The thing to be excited about this year is the new Target Field Station. It's the most significant upgrade of the physical facility since the ballpark opened. Twins' hitting this spring has been just as anemic as it was last season. Struggling to keep the BA with runners in scoring position above .100 is going to be hard to watch again this year. Keeping tabs on Buxton, Vargas and Santana could be a lot more entertaining.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 1:53 PM by terry Highlight this comment 339

It's already been named...The Zygloo

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 2:27 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 340

Hold your cards, ladies and gentlemen; we have a winner.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 4:13 PM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 341

Indeed. That made me laugh out loud.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 4:24 PM by Rick 342

2 apartment complexes are currently being built just NE of the new station. The Shapco printing building is (or has) been sold to the National Bone Marrow institute, who plans on building a new 6+ story headquarters (with retail/restaurant on the ground level).

And there is a ramp below the station itself...albeit only 2 levels.

Progress is progress.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 343

The Zygloo, lol

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 5:51 PM by tk Highlight this comment 344

Zygloo is good :).

As for financial institutions other than USBank...I know Ameriprise Financial and RBC Wealth Management (I assume thats different from the RBC brand of banks) are both HQ'd in Minneapolis.
Or perhaps Thrivent Stadium??

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 6:40 PM by luke Highlight this comment 345

I'd bet that it'll be between U. S. Bank and Wells Fargo.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 6:43 PM by Rick 346

The thing to be excited about is watching the farm system finally bear some fruit. Hicks, Pinto, Arcia, and Gibson should all make the team and hopefully stick around for a full season after being seasoned last season. Meyer likely will be around when Corriea is traded/moved to the pen around the AS break. Losing Sano is a bummer but it's not impossible to think Buxton could join the rest of the young kids by September, and that's gonna be fun.

Now they won't win a lot of games, but the piece of the next winner should be in place. Think of this club like the 2000 twins, bad, but clearly talented. If we're lucky a fruitless effort to contract the club will galvanize the team and town and we'll see another run of division titles.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 8:44 PM by Jp Highlight this comment 347

Rick - as Willie Stargell once said, "The umpire says "Play ball", not "work ball." The Twins have zero leadership and need a guy who will step up. I am NOT a big chemistry guy, but they have no one like Kirby or Torii to hold guys accountable and liven up the clubhouse. I know, I know, millionaire athletes should not need that, but I think they do.

On another note, my 8th graders started baseball last week, and I'm already sick of being in a gym. Please tell me we will not go through another spring like last year!

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 9:08 PM by ole Highlight this comment 348

You know its getting bad when molitor says he doesnt have much to work with when trying to teach twins players how to steal bases.

Posted on March 24, 2014 at 10:29 PM by Leroy Highlight this comment 349

Outdoor baseball, that's what your suppose to get excited about.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 12:34 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 350

Ole- be careful what you wish for, from the sounds of it, the pattern is setting up for an el nino. Depending on the setup, that could make for a rough summer and plenty more heat related bitc...i mean, moaning. Linky.

Also, I know I am way late on this but...I like that CNNSI/Populus concept piece but wow there is a lot in that article that really swims upstream compared to the current line of thinking. They would need a hell of a sales pitch to get many of those aspects included.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 09:39 AM by jared Highlight this comment 351

Well it sounds like the Twins are going to try to keep Bartlett and his .085 spring training batting average around for his "leadership"...

And as far as Kubel, what value does he bring to the Twins? Are they keeping him for his "leadership" too? He brings no speed or versatility to the OF. His bat is not what the Twins need.

Sure, they added some pitching this offseason, but that lineup is atrocious right now. And moving Mauer to 1B? He is a hitter for average, but he is not a power producing 1B that you need. Where is the power in this lineup? Plouffe is not an every day major league caliber third baseman with his inconsistencies. Arcia?

I will see how the final 25 man roster plays out but there is no reason to think the Twins will be much better this year. I would say 72-75 wins at this point.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 09:45 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 352

I'm glad you brought up that concept drawing again, Jared.

Setting aside the monorail for a moment (which seemed sort of Tomorrowland Disney-esque to me), those ideas are mostly fantasy because the economics of baseball would never allow them. Any of them could probably be built today (even the interactive glass windows, which look a lot like the displays teachers use at our elementary school), but it would just never happen.

Some of you may remember that, very early in the design process, the Twins and Ballpark Authority talked about having the ballpark concourses open at all hours of the day and night. This would have allowed access to the Northstar station, and to the restaurants inside the ballpark (which were supposedly going to be open during regular business hours even without a game in progress). There was talk of a police substation built into the facility, and maybe even some non-baseball retail space.

How plausible does that seem now? (It didn't really seem very plausible back then, but some people bought it.)

Also, there has been occasional talk of some developer building high-rise apartments or condos near the ballpark which might have balconies from which people could watch games. Nothing like that has ever gotten off the ground because, you guessed it, the Twins would object -- strenuously, and with lawyers.

That berm pictured beyond left field is supposedly a "park" when there's no game in progress. But for that to work, it would have to have controlled entry and exit, likely making it much more like a prison yard than a public park. And people who bought condos overlooking the field would have to buy very expensive season tickets, severely limiting the market for selling them.

This quote sort of says it all:

"...with the future of team revenue not as reliant on gate receipts..."

No matter what happens with media income, there will never be a day when teams let fans in for free.

Not that it couldn't work, of course. (Concessions could make up part of that revenue. And, as we anticipate from the forthcoming Zygloo, these facilities are mostly glorified TV studios already. In case you didn't know it, tickets to tapings of TV shows are always free and plentiful, to make sure the crowd is large and happy.) But it's impossible to imagine any team trying such a model in the foreseeable future.

All in all, I found most of those concepts to be not very imaginative or adventurous. Nicer scoreboards, easier access to data, and sunken field level don't really count as innovation. Even berms are becoming old hat (every new minor league park seems to have one these days).

How about a roof that completely disappears when it's not in use (and rules which require it to do so whenever possible)? How about finding ways to bring the upper decks back within spitting distance of the field (ticket prices could go up)? How about ways to prevent injury to fans on foul balls (hint: air jets)?

In truth, most of the innovations needed in the sport have little do to with the facilities. How about no blackouts?

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM by Rick 353

Touché, Dave. (It's true!)

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 10:31 AM by Rick 354

Metal detectors coming to Target Field. Ah, Security Theater now playing at a ballpark near you. It will be interesting to see how much of a logjam this will create. It will also be interesting to see if artificial knees and hips produce the same adversarial response from TF security as they do from TSA.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 10:46 AM by terry Highlight this comment 355

Im still waiting for the knotholes in target field so I can catch a peek at a game for free. That was a selling point for the stadium early on. Maybe thats A future upgrade item.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 11:25 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 356

Regarding metal detectors, see this video for one of the most awkward two seconds I've seen in a long time! Right at the end.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 357

We knew it was coming. Pretty soon we'll all be used to emptying our pockets before a game. (Metal flask bearers beware.)

But it still bites. And it provides a very small amount of security for the effort and cost required. Even the bag checks are essentially just for show.

We live in a paranoid time. People will one day look back and laugh at these silly things (especially everything we go through to get on an airplane).

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 12:30 PM by Rick 358

Maybe they could get a Major League Caliber Baseball Player Detector.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 12:35 PM by ben Highlight this comment 359

A) don't they already use the wands at TF? So...what's the big alert about metal detectors? Nothing to worry about.
B) Jared...if an El Niño IS in fact brewing. I will worship the thing like there was no tomorrow. I don't bitch about hot summers. I revel in the REALLY hot summers. And NOT ONCE have I ever clamored for winter during a hot humid summer.
Its like the old saying: winters a bitch that needs to be slapped. Summer rules.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 12:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 360

"Also, there has been occasional talk of some developer building high-rise apartments or condos near the ballpark which might have balconies from which people could watch games. Nothing like that has ever gotten off the ground because, you guessed it, the Twins would object -- strenuously, and with lawyers."

Rick - I may give my friend B.L. a call in the next couple of weeks and see if there has been any movement on that high-rise project. If I hear of anything I'll let you know.

As far as security, it's a myth, especially when it comes to airports. For example, last December I flew back from Costa Rica. Upon arriving at check in, I realized I had a lighter in my carry-on and told the check-in guy at the counter that I had it and that I needed to stick it in my suitcase before he checked my luggage. He told me to keep the lighter in my carry-on. O-kayyyy.... so after I got through the gate security I went to duty free and purchased a bottle of Tequila and put it in my carry-on, next to my souvenir T-shirt. So in essence I flew home with the makings of a Molotov cocktail between my legs. There's your security for ya.

TTH

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 361

Ben (#359), that thing would just collect dust...

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 362

Even though we knew it was coming, the whole metal detectors thing just sours my desire to watch games in person that much more. Might as well just bring in TSA and follow their rules and forego the waiting game. Better yet, lets continue down this slippery slope...how about no one is allowed to bring anything into the park...

I don't know why this rubs me like 20 grit sandpaper but it does. Everything enjoyable is just becoming a bigger hassle.

We live in a paranoid times. The paranoid people are winning. Sigh.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 4:08 PM by jared Highlight this comment 363

I suspect these might be the detectors like I've seen elsewhere (can't remember where) that are nowhere near as sensitive as the airplane detectors are. In other words, just a charade to detract from anyone trying anything.

Posted on March 25, 2014 at 5:33 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 364

I don't know if it necessarily sours my desire for attending live games, sporting events I imagine, are major fodder for terrorist attacks and other mass-scale disasters (like the Boston Marathon), so I suppose better safe than sorry. It'll be strange, no doubt, but in the long run, I think it'll be a good thing.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 05:43 AM by luke Highlight this comment 365

Metal detectors are not going to make the ballpark experience any safer in my mind...if any terrorist or gunman wants to attack, they will find a way. Anyone can walk up on Target Plaza and do what the Boston Marathon bombers did. Anyone can walk up to the gates at Target Field and open fire if they wanted.

Security does not really do a thorough inspection of bags either prior to entering. It's more for show as some others have commented. You can easily sneak stuff into Target Field, even in a bag that is inspected.

And when smart phone thefts are increasing rapidly, we are suggesting that hundreds/thousands of fans take out their phones so they can walk through the metal detectors? How secure is this area going to be? I can't imagine it will be very difficult for some thieves to get their hands on some fans' phones.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 08:50 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 366

I am not worried about the new entrance screening taking away from the experience of going to a game. I agree it is likely more for show.

I do agree that some of the mandated policies are getting a bit too protective. We all bounced around the back of a station wagon facing the wrong way in the 80's and lived to tell about it. That would NEVER happen these days. I sound old.... "Back in my day..." haha

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 09:29 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 367

BTW - we should do a guess at W-L record for the season. Maybe Rick could have a tracker at the top like the playoff challenge. I have seen a few players that say "We'll be .500 or better." Ha! Total B.S.

My guess. 75-87 Improvement, but still the bottom of the AL Central.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 09:32 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 368

61-101.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 10:00 AM by luke Highlight this comment 369

Best case scenario: Willingham, Kubel and Ploufe all return to the form they showed in 2012 and provide some pop in the batting order; Hicks is ready and hits and fields during the regular season as he has during the last two spring trainings; the starting pitching is significantly upgraded from what it has been the last three years; the bullpen replicates it's fine performance in 2013; and injuries - especially bilateral leg weakness - do not occur in prodigous numbers. Even if all those things were to happen, I don't see the lads finsishing better than 81-81. Too much competition in the AL Central. A much more likely scenario is that while some of those "best case" options may occur, they won't all occur and the team will finish with 70-75 wins.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 10:25 AM by terry Highlight this comment 370

I'll say 60-102 and that is exactly what they deserve. Can't think of too many examples of anyone in the batting order who went out and took charge to earn a spot and give any sense of hope for the fanbase. When Gardy and Antony are given separate articles in Strib lamenting how dissapointed they are in the effort given to lock down a spot on the team that really says something. The young players basically feel entitled to their spots in the lineup. Possible exception Chris Hermann who was sent to Rochester after batting I believe .400 due to too many options at catcher. yes we have prospects in waiting- we have had many since our last WS in 1991. Ask Kansas City about promising prospects. We have won 1 playoff series since 1991. I, like many of you, have spent thousand of $$$$$ in tickets and travelling. And yes I enjoy the experience of a game. But it does get old not watching competitive baseball in this market and the team going through the motions.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 1:19 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 371

This quote from Michael Rand yesterday says it all:

"...Joe Mauer is the only player who definitely wouldn't look out of place in another line-up..."

In other words, Mauer is the only hitter in the Twins line-up who looks like a real major leaguer. Ouch.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 1:29 PM by Rick 372

59-103. There is NOTHING about this team that makes it remotely competitive and there is no incentive to be competitive. Mauer sits back and collects his $$$ as the face of the franchise while the Pohlads collect theirs. Add to that a media that puts no pressure on its pro teams to win. Nice gig if you can get it. Change only happens if corporate season tickets and sponsors decide to spend money elsewhere.

TTH

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 1:39 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 373

I love the "no one has stepped up quote." Well Rob Antony, these players aren't good. Maybe try and get some big league ballplayers first.

Excellent take TTH.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 2:28 PM by FD Highlight this comment 374

Willingham's still a legit MLB hitter. Arcia is a good prospect of the sort that plenty of teams insert into their line-ups and rely upon to develop on-the-fly. Same with Pinto. Dozier? He's fine as long as he isn't your lead-off or #2 hitter! Beyond those guys (plus Joe), I agree. The line-up is awful and seriously substandard.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 2:42 PM by BR Highlight this comment 375

And another problem is that the team has SO many one-dimensional players. Maybe we have reason to think that the guy can hit (Arcia, Pinto, Willingham) but he can't field. Maybe he can field but he can't hit (Florimon). And maybe he can't be expected to do either very well (too many to name).

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 2:49 PM by BR Highlight this comment 376

I know I have heard the phrases "return to form from 20XX" and "off year in 2013" to describe too many of our players. Bartlett's quote that "I know they appreciate the leadership" as reasoning for him to stay a few days ago sums up the entiltlement attitude this team seems to have.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 4:35 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 377

And to piggyback off my frustration of Twins it segways to all of our major sports programs. I cant think of a single major market that has all 6 major sports programs (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA Mens football/basketball) that has gone longer than the Twin Cities w/ out even APPEARING in a championship game let alone winning one. I remember an article a few years back that spoke to this and that article mentioned Atlanta as the next closest w/ Braves 1995 World Series. Granted since that article Atlanta lost their NHL team so would no longer be in this question but our futility as a sports market really is becoming epic. Twolves havent even MADE the playoffs since 2003-04 season (longest current streak in NBA). Vikings no Super Bowls and no appearances in over 38 years, Twins 1 playoff series victory in 22 years, Wild 0 appearances in Stanley Cup and as a market 0 Stanley Cups and 2 appearances. Gophers football longest drought for Rose Bowl in Big 10 and while used to be a national powerhouse no meaningful seasons since 1967 Big 10 title (Indiana went to Rose Bowl due to a tie breaker rule) and Gopher basketball, aside from a now vacated 1997 Final 4 appearance, no championship appearances. Can anyone think of a market w/ all 6 major programs that has gone longer than us in futility???? I am stumped. And I think that adds to some of the frustration around here- today's Strib mentioned that Gophers have chance to be one of only a couple basketball programs to end year on a winning note if they can win NIT. What a joke- that says alot right there.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 378

A coworker placed a bet in Las Vegas last week, that the Twins would win "over 70 games" this year. I think he's being optimistic. 68-94.

Posted on March 26, 2014 at 5:33 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 379

Uffda, if only the Lakers had stayed in Minneapolis. As a franchise they have had 31 NBA championship appearances with 16 victories and 15 loses.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 12:09 AM by Dave Highlight this comment 380

I don't see this Twins winning more than 65 games.

No leaders on the team. "Entitled" is the right word to describe some of the younger players and that is very discouraging.

I suspect the highlight of the season will be All Star Week - and it may be one of the few ASGs without a home team favorite player - I can't really see Mauer being elected at 1B and Willingham isn't likely to have a prayer in the OF.

Going to be an absolute implosion in season ticket retention next year without the ASG to prop up the base. Still can't believe how quickly the team burned through the new ballpark effect. Or maybe that wad their plan all along - TF and the Mauer contract may have come at the peek of Twins ticket demand by design.

I know I'm going to be cutting back until the club is serious. I'm going to be down to only 8 games this year. It's one thing to be local and watch your team always lose. It's a whole different level of frustration to fly in multiple times a year and see the team lose almost every game.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 04:20 AM by Jfh Highlight this comment 381

I haven't been to a game since 2011. I cancelled my season tickets after that year. If you all want them to improve, don't go to the games. They will not improve the team until revenue drops dramatically. Also note their payroll is 30mil less than in 2011! They are getting an extra 25mil in TV $ this year too but they pocket that and don't improve the team.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 09:30 AM by J2K Highlight this comment 382

On the bright side the Twins are a full 2 games ahead of the Diamondbacks for worst record in baseball right now.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 11:51 AM by Uffda Highlight this comment 383

You may have seen this already, but Reusse is out today defending the Pohlads.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 1:02 PM by Rick 384

So Scott Diamond clears waivers and now will choose between free agency and minors. Alex Presley does not clear waivers (didn't even know they were going to waive him). Chris Parmelee awaits his waiver fate. Repeat my mantra: "I am happy to go to ballgames, I am happy to go to ballgames, I am happy to go to ballgames."

So happy, in fact, that I may play hooky to (hopefully) see the Gophers open up at Siebert Friday afternoon against Michigan State. Cold weather and all.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 2:30 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 385

The news from spring training has not been encouraging. I'm looking at a 68-94 finish.

What upsets me is that the rebuilding they're finally getting around to should have started right after the 2011 season, but instead they tried to patch things up and never accepted that the good times were over. Terry Ryan's return still reminds me of the Vikes bringing back Bud Grant in 1985 after Les Steckel. It wasn't a long term move. The Twins need to think long term and that means turning over the front office, the scouting, and the dugouts from Target Field down to the minors. I can't believe that in this day and age the Twins still don't recruit in Latin America or used advanced statistics to the extent of other more successful teams. It's time for a change.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 2:48 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 386

Wasnt the former GM Smith given the reigns to scout Latin America fo r Twins??????? I dont know how he was allowed to even keep a job within the organization after what he did. Dump JJ Hardy for Nishioka?

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 3:12 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 387

Jason Bartlett made the team. That's all.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM by FD Highlight this comment 388

Well, he's got so much going for him: His bat...er... His ability to maybe play center...um... And there's of course his clubhouse leadership...

(Groan.)

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 3:41 PM by Rick 389

I think Jorge is right about "...turning over the front office, the scouting, and the dugouts..." But it'll never happen. Fire Gardy? No way. Fire Terry Ryan? Can't imagine it. Fire the whole scouting team? Never happen.

Maybe that's the most depressing thing. Nothing's going to happen. We're just going to have to wait for Buxton to arrive and, I don't know, save the franchise.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 3:49 PM by Rick 390

By the way, I also think that Reusse is right. This isn't about the Pohlads -- unless you consider that it's about prioritizing loyalty over winning.

So the next question becomes, if they just fired everybody, are the Pohlads the right people to put together a whole new staff from scratch that can turn things around?

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 3:53 PM by Rick 391

Unfortunately, Rick, the answer is no. Carl, MAYBE, but the next gen, no way.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 392

Rick, the Pohlads are the ones who hired the front office who hired the manager, coaches, scouts an player developers. They hold the most control, therefore the most blame.

They have the ability to change everything wrong with team. Gardy and/or Terry Ryan and the scouts can only change what they are in control of.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 4:03 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 393

OK, so what's the blueprint here? How can we here at BPM help the Pohlads?

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM by Rick 394

What can the Pohlads do? Send the entire front office to Tampa to shadow how that small-market team continues to put talent on the field and doesn't settle for mediocrity even if they could get away with it in that market.

TTH

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 4:39 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 395

I believe the Pohlads have the resources to seek out and hire a top notch baseball person to take the reins and clean house. I believe they need to fulfill their pre-TF promise to field a competitive team. I also believe Reusse has fallen off the wagon. It would be nice to have one non-Koolaide drinker in the local media.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM by ben Highlight this comment 396

I believe the Pohlads have no idea what the hell is going on at 1 Twins Way.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 7:11 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 397

I think the only person worth keeping is Larry D ;)

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 7:23 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 398

Well I don't necessarily blame the Pohlads but I do take issue how the Twins pride themselves as a "model" franchise looked up upon by other organizations. These other organizations are busy winning World Series and at least league pennants while we continue to brag about our American League Central Division Championships (almost hard to say in 1 breath) and have, again, won 1 playoff series in 22 years. I would rather us be disrespected and looked down upon by other organizations and celebrate World Series victories. Until then the Twins are more than happy to oblige the fanbase by having reunions of the '87 and '91 teams and we will dust off our VHS tapes and hope the VCR still works to watch the good ol days while wearing our faded dorky press on World Series Champions sweatshirts....which at least for me are getting a little tight.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM by Uffda Highlight this comment 399

Wow this website's contributors have gone negative! Spring training is meaningless! They haven't even played a game yet, have some faith for pete's sake! Upgraded rotation, solid bullpen, healthy Mauer, some potential bounce back years, it's not going to be that bad. Get over yourselves and have some fun people. Baseball is back after this crap winter!!!

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 9:54 PM by Jon Highlight this comment 400

I think our society as a whole looks at the negative more than the positive. I like Jon's attitude! Let's give our favorite team until June 1st before we start all the negativity. Baseball is one of the few positives we can all count on - every spring.

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 10:28 PM by ole Highlight this comment 401

I think it's fair to objectively criticize the moves and non moves of this organization during the past three years. But if you want to wait until June 1 to do so, be my guest.

TTH

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 11:09 PM by TheTruthHurts Highlight this comment 402

I'm excited enough about the start of the season that, while I had some time to kill at Target tonight, I wandered back to the magazine aisle and flipped through the current SI (which features a baseball preview).

There in the projected standings for the AL Central: Twins (5th place, 62-100)

Projections don't mean anything. I'll give the boys a chance, of course. And I hope they can catch lightning in a bottle. It's happened in less likely circumstances before. And I love the game whether my team is winning or losing.

But those numbers are not exactly cause for optimism. We're in territory which pretty much demands at least some level of whining.

You can always find Truth over at The Onion, which is where I found this:

Area Man’s Emotional State Completely Dependent On Outcome Of Professional Sporting Event

Our collective emotional state may be hanging in the balance here...

Posted on March 27, 2014 at 11:22 PM by Rick 403

I cancelled my season tickets following the 2012 season and said I could care less about the "All Star Game priority"...2011 and 2012 were bad enough and I was not about to pay more money for 2013 and 2014. Until they can put a solid product on the field, I will go to games on a single game basis only.

Just 4 days prior to Opening Day 2014, the Twins front office called me again wanting me to re-join their season ticket family and guaranteeing me All Star Game tickets for this upcoming season.

Must be having a hard time selling tickets if they are still asking people to sign up for season tickets and are still guaranteeing All Star Game tickets...

I laughed at the timing of the call too since it came soon after the Twins announced their roster moves yesterday with Bartlett, Parmelee, Pressly and Diamond. Someone must have gotten after the sales department yesterday to start pushing sales on former season ticket holders.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 08:27 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 404

I honestly don't see how the Twins finish any better then 75 wins...they are depending a lot on players like Arcia, Hicks, Plouffe and Willingham to produce this year.

And who's to say players like Dozier and Deduno will continue from last years success?

Injuries are all but certain to happen throughout the year, especially when it comes to the Twins. And they have no depth whatsoever on this roster.

The only two players worthy of any value are probably Mauer and Perkins, both of whom are hometown boys and locked up to long-term deals.

So that leaves Willingham as one of the few trade pieces at this point. And that is assuming Willingham produces like he did in 2012. Maybe Nolasco, Correira or Hughes depending on their performances early on.

Pitching was a major weakness last year which they definitely upgraded this year but they forgot the other half of the equation which is offense. Can't say they upgraded much on defense either with players like Kubel and Bartlett. You can have the best pitchers in the game, but unless you score some runs, you will not win many games.

Best case scenario, I am thinking 73-77 wins at this point. We will see how things shape up this weekend heading into Monday's opener.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 08:49 AM by Mike (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 405

If you look at the forcast at the start of '87 and '91 it was probably very similar to this year. The Giants were picked to finish last a couple years ago and they won the series with a very shoddy offense too. I'm not saying they will win the series or even make the playoffs, but they will be much more fun to watch. I just think the Twins pitching will be much better and that is all you can hope for. In the long run, pitching wins games.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 09:14 AM by Jon Highlight this comment 406

Runs win games.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 10:06 AM by ben Highlight this comment 407

I don't expect big things from the team this year, but there are some improvements they absolutely have to make. The strike out frequency last year was horrendous. They obliterated the franchise record for striking out and this franchise goes back to 1901. Productive outs instead of strike outs can result in runs. Last year they scored the fewest runs since 1968 - five years before the designated hitter! If they can significantly reduce the strike outs and if the revamped rotation pitches well, they could keep the fans interested until Sano, Buxton, May, Meyer et al are ready.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 10:39 AM by terry Highlight this comment 408

I have been trying to follow ST, but I could not tell you the OD lineup. This is pathetic! heck, in 2001 and 2002 (turnaround years), I could name the lineup heading into April. Is this the 1993/1997-2000 era?

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM by tk Highlight this comment 409

OK, I just had a moment:

In today's mail was my little pack of perks for being part of a (gigantic) STH group. It includes my card for 10% off concessions at the ballpark, plus a page of coupons for a free yearbook, discounts at the pro shop, and the whole year's worth of Twins Magazine.

Even knowing how things are likely to go this season, my heart just jumped a bit at the thought of having baseball again. It's one of the great things that makes life worth living -- even if it is with a compromised emotional state.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 12:50 PM by Rick 410

Where the holy hell do you live whereby you get your mail by 1pm? I'm lucky if I get mine by 6 in N Minneapolis.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 1:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 411

Holy hell? Uh, Powderhorn.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 1:13 PM by Rick 412

AH OK...South Mpls. Much better than the North side lol. You've never heard the expression holy hell before?? LOL.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 3:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 413

Twins have averaged 2.25 runs per game over the past 2 weeks, with no games above 4 runs. I know spring training doesn't really mean anything, but you can't win 70 games if you keep hitting at that clip. And this is against the wide variety of pitching you see in March.

I want to hope, but we really need about five position players to turn it on starting Monday.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 7:17 PM by Lincster Highlight this comment 414

The Twins actually track everyone that's in a STH group? I would think they would track just the "owner" and not have a clue who's in that owner's group.

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 10:52 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 415

At the beginning of last season the Twins created a program for STH groups where all of the members can get some perks in exchange for giving the team all the contact information (the group owner still gets all of the really good stuff). In my group (which has over 200 members), we were given the option of whether we wanted our information forwarded to the team.

But I did it to get those perks, small as they are, even if it means that one day they will try to sell me my own season ticket package (which they haven't tried yet).

Posted on March 28, 2014 at 11:00 PM by Rick 416

200 members? If all members of all groups get the perks that's a lot of free yearbooks, etc. Very unTwinslike.

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 12:34 AM by ben Highlight this comment 417

200 members divvying up 81 games? How does that work?

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 06:47 AM by Spud (aka Winona Mike) Highlight this comment 418

I would imagine there are several seats available for each game, so there are probably several members attending each game. But that is one big ass ticket group nonetheless...lol

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 07:45 AM by luke Highlight this comment 419

My LC ticket group has between 15 and 20 for only 4 seats. The number seems to change every year as people come and go. It started as 16 (2 tickets to 10 games each share) and we did the Home Opener as extra.

I can see the Twins doing the perks for all because the Twins are involved in the group. They have all Rick & friends' emails, etc to push future sales. As far as the Twins know, my group is 1 guy.

Rick how many seats are in the group and how are games divided/picked?

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 09:41 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 420

If anyone here is interested in going to some games at no cost this year, send me an email. LC seats in a good section. I have around 50 games and nowhere near 50 people that I can call on to go to games with me. It's not a financial issue for me, but have always thought it would be fun to have a ball-guy to watch games with.

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 10:25 AM by jctwins Highlight this comment 421

It's the largest group the Twins have -- by far -- and they have been very generous. DSP was the speaker at our draft this year, which was held at TF. And everybody who came got to meet and have a free photo taken with TK (by yours truly). Last year it was Paul Molitor.

Shares are sold for as little as 5 games/4 seats, and all areas of the ballpark are available. There are over 100 seats available for any given game. Prices range from around $300 per share for Field View, to about $4000 for Champions Club. We also get access to specials for certain games, Bud Deck nights, Overlook nights, etc.

There are always openings for new members, if anyone is interested. (I think this year is closed already, though I don't know that for sure.)

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 11:07 AM by Rick 422

Twins generous? Which shell is the pea under?

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 11:39 AM by ben Highlight this comment 423

I have experienced a great deal of generosity from the Twins.

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 12:16 PM by Rick 424

So this group owns a pair in Champion's? Do they get all 81 games spoken for in the year?

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 12:35 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 425

Follow up question, who eats what doesn't get drafted? Or how does the group make sure everything is drafted?

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 12:35 PM by jctwins Highlight this comment 426

It's actually about a dozen Champions seats for each game.

As for who eats it, my impression is that there's not much to eat. The group owner has been doing this for many (30?) years, and he's got a pretty good system and a big network of people involved.

The Twins have also been very generous to him, for obvious reasons.

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 12:49 PM by Rick 427

Wow! That's some group Rick! I might be interested next year. I am in my LC already this year. It might be nice to move to somewhere new in the stadium. Can you send me info for joining? email in link.

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 6:57 PM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 428

I think the Twins need to be generous in their PR/marketing departments to make up for what's lacking in the on-field department...lol. keeps people coming, if for nothing but the beauty and experience of TF.

Rick I would be interested in info on the ticket group. Clicky for my email.

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 7:12 PM by luke Highlight this comment 429

Rick, are any of the seats ADA seats? If so, I may be interested as well. Might be able to get into some areas I can not as a single ticket buyer.

Posted on March 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM by Dave Highlight this comment 430

The snow in my yard says it is still winter, but the baseball calendar says it is OPENING DAY!

Posted on March 31, 2014 at 07:18 AM by terry Highlight this comment 431

Terry, I'm with you. What's the name of that Thomas Boswell book? "Time begins again?" "Life begins anew?" Happy opener all!

Posted on March 31, 2014 at 11:51 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 432

"Why Time Begins on Opening Day" by Thmas Boswell.

Posted on March 31, 2014 at 12:51 PM by terry Highlight this comment 433

I so love the fact I switched to #DirecTV and I get MLB Network.

Posted on March 31, 2014 at 12:53 PM by luke Highlight this comment 434


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