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A Great First ImpressionApril 12, 2007 10:32 PM
Wow, what a day. Wow, what a ballpark. There's so much to write that I truly don't know where to begin. But I must get this out right away: These drawings show vision and imagination. They show consideration for the game and the fans. My first impression is almost wholly positive. The biggest thing that grabs me is how much it doesn't look like any other ballpark in the majors -- outside or inside. This is most definitely not a cookie cutter design. There are aspects which are obviously descended from features at other very recent HOK-designed parks. In fact, the HOK style is all over the place. But it's mitigated by the needs of the site, which seems to have forced some genuine creativity.
There appear to be no forced attempts at fake history. It's closer to say that this park tries to establish itself as a model for parks of the future rather than an echo of parks in the past. I've argued for this approach for as long as I've been writing about ballparks, and I was very relieved to see nothing cloyingly phony about the design. From a game perspective, I don't think anyone will be able to call this a bandbox. The projected playing field dimensions (339-377-404-367-328) are respectable, the fence heights are a little taller than we may wish in spots (good luck robbing homers on the 23-foot fence in right -- maybe a ladder!), but it does appear to meet the definition of a neutral park at first glance. The wind patterns are a wild card which could change this, and it's hard to know how much wind has been considered in the design. Average temperature and relative humidity will also be determining factors, and the jury is still out on these as well.
Most importantly, many of the principles of Philip Bess' City Baseball Magic are really embodied in this design. Not only are his transportation principles met (simply by site selection alone), but his ideas about fan proximity to the field and patron circulation appear to have been incorporated. This is most obvious in the almost total lack of external circulation (which appears to be primarily incorporated into the concourses). It's yet to be seen whether residential and retail space pops up nearby (another of Bess' key principles), but the chances are really quite good.
There are some really nice small touches in the design: - Gates numbered for Twins greats (a fan suggestion) - Minnesota greenery in the batter's eye (a fan suggestion) - Knotholes along 5th Street for free glimpses of the game (a fan suggestion) - Heated playing field (no flame-throwers or snow-outs here) - 360-degree view of the game from the concourses (now becoming common in ballparks, but not easy to create) - Whether intentional or not, the left field pavilion echoes Met Stadium nicely - Heated indoor seating and viewing areas (other than suites) - Trees incorporated at key spots (such as the pedestrian bridge over I-394) - The view when approaching the main entry gates (from the pedestrian bridge) will be spectacular!
...and there are a few initial quibbles: - A fair amount of homers will land in the trees or bullpens (instead of fans' gloves) - Nothing is shown for the roof of the parking ramp (the city of Minneapolis really needs to step up here) - The concept of the "split upper deck" appears to have been dropped (in some of the renderings) - The lighting is built into the "canopy" rather than in towers (which offered an opportunity for Twin-ism) - No field-level seating in the outfield (viewing through the fence) - Two levels of suites push the upper deck into some pretty serious nose-bleed territory (the drawings do not contain dimensions, so this is just an impression at this point) - Horizontal circulation in the seating areas appears to have been sacrificed because of space - Still potentially not enough women's restroom fixtures (1.5:1 vs. 1.33:1 in the Metrodome, should approach 2:1) ...and a few areas of curiosity not yet satisfied: - How will the rail stations be integrated? - What about heat for the fans not in enclosed areas? - What does that entry tower at the north (left field) corner look like? What function? - What's the average number of seats per row?
- Average leg room? - Average (or uniform) seat width? - Aisle width in seating bowl? - Seating color scheme? - Facades on the 5th Street side and garbage burner side (which will be visible when approaching from the northeast) There were some grand proclamations (which have a chance of being accurate): "Minnesota's new ballpark will be an inviting landmark and an intimate venue..." "...we will build one of the great urban ballparks in America." "The ballpark connects with fans whether they arrive by foot, bike, bus, car, light rail or commuter rail." ...and a bit of hyperbole: "The new ballpark will reflect Minnesota's dynamic blend of urban sophistication and outdoor vitality." "...a cosmopolitan expression of Minnesota's natural beauty..." "...an outdoor baseball fan's dream..." ...and even something truly puzzling: "Fissures, or gaps, in the stone enclosure...will create unique viewing opportunities..." Huh? Are we to measure the life expectancy of this park in geologic time?
I also heard plenty of references to Wrigley Field today. Of course, everyone wants to believe they're getting another Wrigley, but that's not what this park will be. Nor would we really, in our heart of hearts, want it to be. What we've wanted -- well, at least what I've wanted -- is a great park to call our own. Not a copy of, or an emulation of, or an evocation of, or even a reference to somewhere else. Nothing multi-purpose or utilitarian or plain (or cement or blue or domed or even roofed). Minnesota is unique. Our team and its organization is unique. The ballpark should be unique, and I think this one looks like it may very well be. Today's been a whirlwind! At one point today I found myself standing between Paul Molitor, Terry Ryan, Dave St. Peter, Jerry Bell and Gardy! At another point I found myself standing in front of a KARE-11 camera (Shane and I were featured in the same story!). Carl Pohlad looked me in the eye, for heaven's sake (and smiled a little, I think). Thanks for stopping by for this big day. Please stop back over the next few days as I'll try to draw out some details which are worth considering. Special note to anyone who was hoping I'd profile all the other potential ballpark sites when it looked like this one was going to fall through: My first alternate was always the garbage burner site, with the land next to the Mall of America as a close second. But I absolutely loved the idea of building on the K-Mart site in south Minneapolis, in part because it's close to my house, and in part because it's just across Lake Street from where Nicollet Park used to stand. Much as I would have loved to delve into these sites some more -- as well as a dark horse site at Snelling and I-94 in St. Paul (the Metro Transit land on the NE corner)-- I had some indications that things were going to get settled, and decided it was best not to stoke that flame any more... CommentsTo utilized enhanced comment features, please enable cookies in your browser. So, where is "our" flagpole?
Posted on April 13, 2007 at 01:05 AM by B.W. McEvers (Ben)
My quibble is about the pedestrian plaza over 394. Do we really need/want a closeup view of a freeway as we walk to the game? If you are going to build over most of the freeway anyway, finish the job so we don't have to see it or hear it at all. Couple questions: -Is water involved at all?? -Whats the deal with the "plants" I heard ring the top of the outfeild fence?? -Any info on the scoreboard?? -Is there going to be a release of any more concrete drawings than these sketches??? If you look at other stadium designs by HOK (Nationals like you referenced, Yanks, Mets), they all have digital looking plans that give you a better odea of actual plans...do you know if they will have that for us soon? I believe this ballpark to be "retro". I also reject the notion that no roof will be on this stadium. No retractable Don't sell yourself short! It sounds like they are going to try to incorporate the flag pole. That's your baby 100%
Posted on April 13, 2007 at 12:22 PM by Freealonzo
Have you heard what is on the RF wall and above the bullpens in the drawings? Is seems like they're scoreboards, but I'm not sure. You heard anything about a hand operated scoreboard or a minor league affiliate scoreboard? About your comment "- Horizontal circulation in the seating areas appears to have been sacrificed because of space". The drawing does show that there is in the field level seats, running just short from foul pole to foul pole. Thus deviding the field level seats into two sections. This was one of my suggestions that I submitted to the team. It also appears that the upper half of those seats are raised up (like those in the old Comiskey Park in Chicago), allowing fans to see over the top of peoples heads that walk by. Wrigley Field does not have that step up and when fans stroll by, they constantly block your view. I love that this was incorporated into the design here.
Posted on April 13, 2007 at 1:19 PM by John
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This looks south and shows how the Northstar tracks are sheltered by the promenade above. This is the side which faces the HERC plant. Lots of work has gone into detailing the fronts of these decks. That is a little thing, but a NICE little thing. (HRP View) Looking south (toward Seventh Street). I noticed this detail while taking the previous picture. I figure that it must be the VIP entrance from the surface parking lot. I don't think there is any parking inside the ballpark, so this entrance will likely be for suite-dwellers and other VIPs, though I can't say for sure whether players will enter here. This is the actual entrance for Gate 6. Notice how close the seating will be. The back row of the lower deck will be mere inches beyond that inner support post. Detail enclosing the main ticket window area At one point, we thought these windows might represent one of the so-called knotholes. But nope. Nothing to see here. (Nearest I can tell, there will be no view of the playing field whatsoever from the Seventh Street sidewalk.) Some baseball legends (and Ron Coomer) This is a little section of what looks like a finished foundation. It will be approximately below the Pro Shop (I think). Hit gap, win suit! The glove A view into the Legend's Club The view from the upper concourse. This was actually taken from the top floor of the International Market Square. New Downtown Minneapolis Public Library (Source: RP) I do love the upper concourse. Feels like home already. Emergency access as viewed from outside the ballpark The knothole (sans view of anything interesting) Here you can see the real beauty of the Seventh Street side, and get a solid sense of why the overall design really works. The building's purpose is clearly visible, there are numerous connections from inside to outside, scale is nicely mitigated, the stone is attractively used, materials are pleasantly mixed and truly complementary. It's just a winner in so many ways. Looking up Seventh Street (click to see what it looked like from the same spot in 1950) Bag checking at Ball Park Lanes was incredibly simple, as was the pick up later. The line was short and fast-moving. One more time from the third base side. Bassett Creek's original path (Source: Metropolitan Design Center) Outside, lots of window space Look at all that blank space. Canvas! (What should go on those walls? A giant schedule perhaps?) This little item stands just to the south of the site, where the volleyball courts used to be. It has to be related to exterior finishing elements, which means this is the first glimpse of the actual stone to be used. Very buttery. Great sign Pesky Reality Looking through the transit hub No admittance -- yet! Note that you can see the seating bolts which are in place already. Welcome Visitors From Two Men On (Accessiblity) Glossary BRT - Bus Rapid Transit DSP - Dave St. Peter FSE - Full Season Equivalent HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner) HPB - Home Plate Box HRP - Home Run Porch LC - Legends Club LRT - Light Rail Transit MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field) MOA - Mall of America MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome) NYS - New Yankee Stadium SRO - Standing Room Only STH - Season Ticket Holder TCFBS - TCF Bank Stadium TF - Target Field Selected Bibliography - Analysis Selected Bibliography - Surveys
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