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Victoria's Take

May 14, 2010 1:57 AM

A cold afternoon in 323, but we had our trusty Twins blanket -- made by my mom when Noah was born.

Yesterday, at the game, my spouse spontaneously volunteered to offer her impressions of Target Field for you all. She comes at it with a true outsider's point of view, untainted by any of the hype which has been plastered across the media for the past month. I will augment with some recent pictures (and captions), but otherwise it's all her!

Hey BallparkMagic guys! My name is Victoria and I, among other things, am Rick's wife. We'll be married 8 years this June. Before I met him, I knew nearly nothing about baseball. I knew there were 4 bases. I knew 3 strikes and you're out. That's about it. I remember asking him early on in our relationship who the guy was standing between 2nd and 3rd bases and weren't there too many people on the field? He gently explained that was the shortstop...

So. Here is my first (and likely last) posting. Rick and I went to the game Wednesday afternoon. It was great to be huddled together, taking in the sights and sounds of the ballgame, exploring the ballpark, and not having to wrangle our two young sons!

Yeah, it was cold. But I'll take cold over rain or sweltering humidity any day.

We took refuge for a time in the Twins Pub where you can drink a beer (or just hang out) and listen to some ballpark tunes. The organ is decorated with a TC (of course) and what looked like drawings which Sue has received from kids.

Here are my reflections on the Target Field experience:

1. It's a tremendous thing to behold. Hats off to everyone who made it come true.

2. Rick used to gripe about the Metrodome being a completely ridiculous, maddening, and utterly ill-conceived place for baseball, and I didn't fully get it. Having been to Target Field, now I get it.

No griping here.

3. Women's restroom. Grade = B-. Yes, there were enough stalls, but the restroom I went into only had one door, so the going in and going out was a flurry of women trying to navigate a narrow space and half-heartedly saying "excuse me" to each other. Nice, however, to hear the radio broadcast of the game in there! (NOTE: This was the restroom right behind 323. The men's room has an entrance and exit, but there were always long lines between innings. The layout is pretty clunky. -- Rick)

4. Food. A mixed review. My first food purchase was polish sausage with kraut (from Halsey's). I'm Polish, so I figured that was a good thing to do. It was fine – tasty even – but nothing special. My second food purchase was a slice of pepperoni pizza. When the guy put two slices into the box instead of one that should've been my clue: they couldn't get rid of the stuff! And I found out why. Uncooked dough in the center and maybe two pieces of pepperoni. Definitely not worth the $6.00.

5. View. Spectacular. I loved seeing the skyline, the truly green grass, and the birds flying here and there.

The view from our seats. I took this picture while standing, and the railing would prove mildly problematic when I sat down -- but not as much as my scorecard, which I always seemed to be holding right in Vic's view of the plate (she told me so).

6. Scoreboard and Sound. These two items really bugged me at the Metrodome – I had to squint to read the scoreboard and the sound was way too boomy-loud. Not so at Target Field! Grade = A+ for both!

7. Energy. There was a wonderful, happy vibe about the whole place. Loved it.

8. People watching. Grade = A+. There were some retirees sitting in the row in front of us. The two women shared a pink hula-hoop over their knees, and the man was completely bundled in layers from head to foot, eating popcorn like a little kid. Very sweet.

9. I'd like to go to a night game to see the stars, the moon and the lights on the field.

This was on BPM night. Nice neon, but I'm still waiting to see the homer show.

10. Final thought: how can 40,000 people NOT be at work on a Wednesday afternoon?

Here's to a fantastic first season at Target Field. Go Twins!

*Special thanks to a south metro friend, without whose generosity this little excursion would not have been possible.

Comments


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I've tried to see the stars at night games, but I haven't had any luck. I think the stadium lights are just too bright for stargazing.

Great post, Victoria!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 08:46 AM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 1

I've been to both night games and day games and each have their own positives and negatives....but I think I'll prefer night games, especially more so when it gets a little warmer. It's really true that the ballpark really "shows well" under the lights.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 08:57 AM by Fred Highlight this comment 2

Nice report Victoria...Rick is that a Park Center jacket you have on? Home of pat Neshek? Here is how I roll on my 20 game pack

2 Tickets Skyline view $13.00each $24.00
2 Bottles of water from home $.50cents
1 water bottle filled with rum $2.00 cost
1 lb of peanuts from home $1.00 cost
2 1/4 dogs from Holiday Station next to park $2.00
Free parking 3-4 blocks from park Free

Total $29.50

I ain't pounding no $10 sandwiches or $8.00 brews!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 09:34 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 3

OK how what will be our record on this 7 game road trip? I'm thinking something along these probabilities. Twins 0-10 last year and Gardy all time 3-23 in New York! What say you!

7-0 5%
6-1 10%
5-2 20%
4-3 30%
2-5 20%
1-6 10%
0-7 5%

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 09:46 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 4

You know how they added the dark backing on the celebration sign behind where it says "Target Field" so you can see it better? They need to do that to the WHOLE sign. It is still very difficult to see the sign lit up, even at night...And especially on TV.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 09:59 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 5

I like seeing the perspective of a non ballpark geek, in addition to ones i get from my gf

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:08 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 6

I think the biggest reason the celebration sign is difficult to see lit up is the stadium lighting. I doubt adding a backing to the sign will improve the visibility of the neon lights.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 7

Yep, I worked with the theater department at Park Center for a few years doing sound, lights and music. I think I overlapped Neshek by a year, but he wasn't in any shows so I never met him...

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:30 AM by Rick 8

Rick, I've got a senior who plays baseball this year there. And another son that graduated in 07! Small world! I do not like the current grass cutting design at Target. Need to go to basic checkeboard or whatever they did earlier. Also not liking the wide stripe from pitchers mound to home plate front and back!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:42 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 9

Great post!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 10

OG Jeff -- what's the latest with the Twins uniform plans for 2011?? All 2011 uniform proposals must be submitted to MLB by the end of May.

I hear they are going to have a new alternate road jersey next year, perhaps, with the new "Minnesota" script? This would basically replace the really nice road alternate that was ditched following the 2008 season.

DSP also mentioned earlier this year that the throwbacks from last year and this year might have a more significant presence come 2011.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:55 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 11

If they wore the 1961 home throwbacks for every home game - not just Saturdays - and the 2010 road greys for every game away, it would suit me just fine.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:01 AM by schweady Highlight this comment 12

Agree Schweady. Really like the current road jersey the best! The cream throwbacks are nice also!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:04 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 13

Forecast looks great for the 3pm Brewer game next Saturday. 80 and Sunny! Always like to smack the True Blue Brew Crew around. We have done pretty pretty well vs the NL in the past. Yankee game following Thursday looks good with 85 and sunny!!!Bout time we get some freaking heat!!!!!!!!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:14 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 14

Last time twins won a series in NY May 2001 when we took 2 out of 3! Shhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeezzzzz!!!!!!!!! LaTroy Hawkins getting the save!!!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:29 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 15

Well, the last time we had this good of a record at this point in time was also 2001.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:32 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 16

Twinkfan-

The change in cut pattern was made because players were complaining the the ball was taking funny hops with the checkerboard style and DeVito went to this pattern with the thinking that the ball would roll more "true" to those parts of the field.

I kind of like the new pattern, myself.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:33 PM by Fred Highlight this comment 17

Artice from Joe Christensen of the STrib (see link) regarding Target Field not being a home run park brings up some good points and questions:

1. I would rather have a field that does not cheapen home runs like the New Yankee Stadium did in it's first year, especially early last season.

2. Already, I have heard Dick Bremer, Blyleven, Ozzie, Gardy, and others claim that certain balls hit at Target Field would have been out at the Metrodome. Who cares? The Twins don't play there anymore.

3. Would you rather have your favorite team play in a park that allows easy home runs or play in a park where players really have to earn them? Would you prefer going to a game and have it be a 10-9 home run derby slugfest or a 3-2 game with crisp fielding, good pitching and a few clutch hits? Personally, I would prefer the 3-2 game. Not sure everyone would though.

4. Fianlly, when the weather DOES heat up, will the ball carry more in the alleys? I think the ball did carry down the lines the opening week when it was warmer, but it seemed to die in the alleys.

Just some interesting fodder for us to discuss, and maybe we won't know some answers until the end of this season or the end of 5 seasons.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:39 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 18

Oh, and good post Mrs. Rick!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:41 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 19

I agree with Joe C. I really don't want TF to be a HR ballpark. Yes, I hate that many of our hitters have already been robbed of HR's in the alley's but I'd prefer that. It means that maybe they won't go out for the other team too. I was at the game, Tuesday..if I'm remembering right, and Morneau absolutely crushed one to center. Yeah, I wanted it to go out and it should have , but I'd rather the park play big.

Our offense should be good no matter what. Our pitching goes through rough patches. We have mostly fly ball pitchers. It's to this team's benefit to have a pitcher's park.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:48 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 20

Fred, I heard that also but heard the complaint was from the visiting team not the twins? I mean why change it for the road team? I'm still not all that crazy about the current look! But hey life goes on! Laughing our loud!!!!!!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:48 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 21

AJ ,the 2001 squad started the season 57-33. Then the roof caved in and the went on a nice little slide of 28-44 to finish 85-77! OUCH!!!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:53 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 22

TwinkFan-
You were supposed to ignore that part.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 23

AJ I would have but I was listening to Reusee going over all those stats over lunch! I think that was the same year Knobloch got pellted with the dogs on dollar dome dog night! Bob Casey the PA announcer pleading with the crowd to CUT THAT OUT!!!!!! What a hoot!!!!!!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 2:04 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 24

Hey TwinkFan, how's your math? :)

"2 Tickets Skyline view $13.00each $24.00"

I'm pretty sure where I went to school 2x$13=$26.00

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 2:09 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 25

Ah Reusse.

This team is much better offensively than the 2001 team. Mays and Radke put up good years. I think we could match the pitching or come pretty close. I think as a whole our SP's are better this year. Hopefully what happened then, will not happen this time.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 2:12 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 26

Where can I find a picture of the 573 Club?

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 27

And a picture of the Carew atrium?

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 2:20 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 28

Faber I guess thats why I was never good in math. Typo! My Skyline seats are all $12.00 each. Always round up! FCOL! By the way what do you think those will be next year. Any guesses?

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 29

Great post! I'm another person who loves to get the perspectives of both "regulars" and those who come at things with a different perspective.

Re: Home runs... I'm sure they'll travel better when the weather warms up, but then you have to wonder if it will be almost TOO easy to hit the ball out down the lines. I'd hate to see TF become home to the cheap RF HRs the way Yankee Stadium did.

Michael (and all), I don't generally plug our blog when I post comments on other blogs, but I was fortunate enough to catch the Saturday afternoon game vs the Orioles last weekend from the Legends Club and I posted a few pictures, including a couple of the Killebrew, Carew and Pucket lounges. http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/05/crikket-in-the-club-a-day-in-target-fields-legends-club/

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM by JimCrikket Highlight this comment 30

Rick,

I've been a longtime Ballpark Magic reader but haven't posted until now. Thanks for all your work on this! It's a great site with great contributors.

One issue I don't believe anyone has touched on (sorry if I missed a previous discussion) is the relatively gradual grade of the lower level seats.

I share four tickets for a full season with 9 other people in section 123. I'm nearly 6'1", but only if I sit straight up in my seat can I see over the heads of the people one row in front of us. My wife is only 5'4" and has to play games to look in between people's heads to see home plate. Worse yet, I have a 9 yr old and a 5 yr old...they have virtually no chance to see.

I can't tell you how frustrating it is to have spent $1,200 (x10 owners) on seats that should be among the best in the stadium but which are virtually useless for my family. It's also heartbreaking to think that we were better off in the Metrodome, where they never had trouble seeing the field)

I LOVE Target Field in every other way. I've sat in two other places and the seats were much steeper. I don't know if it was an issue of squeezing an extra row or two in the small footprint, or trying to keep the Legends Club seats as close to the field as possible, but it seems like an inexcusable error/compromise for HOK and/or the Twins to make.

Just curious if anyone else has noticed this issue.

thanks!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 3:00 PM by dynamicduo Highlight this comment 31

A common denominator with a number of comments over the past few weeks runs something like --- Aside from the fact that my family and I are unable to watch the game due to _____________________________ (or are quite uncomfortable in our seats, etc., etc.), we still like everything else about the park. Am I the only one who senses a contradiction here?

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 3:21 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 32

dynamicduo,

It's a big issue, and I appreciate you raising it. Let's start by seeing if others have experienced anything similar. It looks like the Field Box, Diamond Box, and Home Plate Box sections (101 through 124) are the most vulnerable, though I would also have to wonder about the Dugout Box sections (1-6 and 11-17).

I can say that other people's heads have not been a problem in the Terrace and View levels, or the Skyline Deck (which is the same as the Legends Club seating).

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 3:25 PM by Rick 33

Yes it appears the lower deck the rise is much more gradual than on the 2nd or 3rd deck. And if you want steep check out the grandstand seats in right field. Looks almost a 45 degree angle. I remember having that same issue at the old memorial stadium at the U of M. The lower bowl was so gradual that you had a hard time seeing in front of somebodys head in front of you!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 34

I have also experienced the same issues where my seats are in section 102. I figured it would not be as bad if I was higher up in the section (I am in row 22) compared to the lower rows such as 10-20.

The aisles between the sections are also an issue with constant traffic as that is right in line with my vision of the pitchers mound and home plate.

I also have a railing blocking my row, meaning I have to go down a couple of rows or up a couple of rows to get to the "right side" of the aisle when walking up to the concourse. It's not so bad after games when everyone is leaving in one direction, but during games when people are constantly coming and going up the aisles, its a little inconvenient to have the railing blocking my row. I do like the railings and the fact they are able to divide the aisles and result in better two-way traffic flow. However, it can be a minor inconvenience if you are in one of the rows "blocked" by the railing down the center of the aisle.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 4:22 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 35

Mike,

Are you saying the grade issue IS better up in row 22? We're in row 5 in 123.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM by dynamicduo Highlight this comment 36

Ben,

I'm hearing the same thing, but I'd modify it slightly:

"I absolutely love TF! We had a slight problem with (insert design error which could have been avoided), but it was no big deal. It's still better than the Metrodome!"

dynamicduo raises a sightline issue which simply should never occur in a modern ballpark. And this one is squarely owned by Populous, not the Twins. I don't even think you can blame it on the standard "small footprint" excuse.

The only question is whether they knew and went ahead anyway, or didn't know. Either is unacceptable.

I can actually see how you might back into the rake of the seats (and a couple of other things) based on a few simple calculations:

A = The elevation of the front row (or field elevation)

B = The elevation of the last row (or main concourse elevation)

C = B - A (the total height between the front row and the last row)

D = The number of rows

E = C / D (the average rise of each row)

Basically, if E isn't large enough, you've got sightline problems.

There should be some sort of industry standard minimum for E, though I have no idea what it might be. I guess that's the real question: Is there one? Did they adhere to it in the design of the lower seating bowl?

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 4:40 PM by Rick 37

For the life of me I cannot understand why they put tv screens up on the Puckett/Carew walls. Why??? They look SO out of place.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 4:42 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 38

dynamic - I am not saying (and I don't think) the slope is any better in row 22. Since I figured the slope would probably be an issue in those outfield "field box" sections, I decided to get my seats in row 22 compared to row 10 or so. I just figured it might help things by being up a little higher from the field compared to row 10 or whatever.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 6:14 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 39

Man I hate Gay-Rod and the Spankees

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 8:42 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 40

It just makes you want to scream and throw things at the TV.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 9:04 PM by luke Highlight this comment 41

Gardy brings in Matty G knowing Arod is 4-6 with 3 HR's against him..What a fool..

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 9:05 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 42

The curse continues.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 9:16 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 43

Just looked at the webcam and was wondering why the lights are always on even on non gamedays. Anyone have any insight?

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 9:53 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 44

I think this is the best composed thing ever. And I just told my father I loved him *gasp*.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM by Chuck Highlight this comment 45

why the fuck would gardy have matty the f bomb G pitch to arod? he is like 6-8 now and 4 hrs vs him... should have pitched to tex... sorry that shit can fly in tx, chi and kc but not these yanks,,, they are stacked... dammit gardy you make me wonder
.. oh by the way brewer tix on tct players

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 10:57 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 46

hey baker - try and field your position with your glove next time instead of sticking your leg out to try and knock the ball down. otherwise just let it go through as orlando hudson was positioned at second to mostly likely get the grounder and most likely turn a double play on jeter's grounder. that was a costly mistake in judgement by baker, imo. he just allows the ball to go through to hudson or makes a better attempt to field it with his glove and that 7th inning probably ends with the twins still on top 4-3.

and what the hell gardy?! a-roid is 5 for 7 against guerrier in his career with 4 home runs and he is "your best option" there? really? find that logic hard to understand. i liked our chances better just keeping duensing in there. a guy who a-roid hasn't faced as much and doesn't know as well.

i really like the twins roster with one glaring exception.......our bellpen is going to be the downfall of this team unless they make some moves or a trade to upgrade it. mijares, guerrier, burnett are NOT going to get us over the top in big game situations. never really have to this point and i don't have any confidence that they suddenly will. and yes, rauch has done a very nice job to this point, but who knows with him in big game situations as well.

you better be making some calls BILL SMITH. the status quo with this bullpen is NOT going to cut it when the big games are on the line.

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:13 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 47

So my wife was in another room away from the TV, so she asked me to give her an update if something happened in the game. The Yankees happened to get a double, and so I announced it to her. Our 4-year- old daughter says to my wife, "The Yankees are what Daddy uses to blow his nose..." LOL! So well said, my little girl!

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:27 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 48

Question: I insterted a "Laughing out Loud" in my post,but it appears to have converted to FbT! What is that?

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:32 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 49

Now it shows as something different. Hmmmm...

Posted on May 14, 2010 at 11:33 PM by Dan Highlight this comment 50

Looking at the elevation diagrams of TF, it appears mostly likely the grade of the lower level seatin came off from the elevation of the main concourse, which is generally as high as 7th St is elevated from the ground below. This was clearly done to make the entrances from the 7th St level walkways that go around the ballpark from the plaza, past gate 29 to gate 14 etc and appears the elevation wasn't raised in the main concourse to make the entry gates more accessible rather than putting steps into each gate or a ramp. The grade of the lower deck is comprible to what you see in most designs of new baseball stadiums. Generally you'll see baseball stadiums with an upper level seating grade at no more than 35 degrees (minus the Cell) where you can still see down to the lower level up to the first 1-5 rows of the (to see the whole field below). With that already in play in the design, with suite level height clearances, club level clearances and any extra height clearances you need for press level (commonly on the suite or club level anyway), that takes away how high you have your main concourse from the playing surface, and what is left is how the grade of lower level seating is left with.. bare in mind that the LL seating grade is concaved a lil (think skate boarding half-pipe), this usually means higher rows will have a better down grade view than the lower rows where the angle is less steep. I'm not claiming to be any expert, I started out as an architectual drafter (now in ATC) but have studied the designs and schematics of ballparks for 15 years, 'tis why I LOVE Rick's website!!!!

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 12:30 AM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 51

Rick ---

I'm not convinced that being better than the Metrodome is a ringing endorsement. There are obvious flaws in an otherwise great park that could easily have been avoided. The Twins are doing their best to sweep them under the rug but must we follow suit? I have been in seats that are no more spacious or comfortable than those at the Dome - many even worse, and sight-line issues are being reported almost daily. To my way of thinking a guy who spent $1200 for seats from which his family literally can not view the game ------ well, let's just let him put it his own way: "It's also heartbreaking to think that we were better off in the Metrodome, where (we) never had trouble seeing the field ---".

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 01:32 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 52

you really need to just "move on" ben. you are about a transparent as glass and as tiring as running a marathon. find something new to bitch about already. your usual "the twins ownership are hiding stuff from the poor, little public" schtick is getting REALLY OLD.

we get it......you feel you have a personal axe to grind towards twins ownership and have a false belief that they are somehow pulling the wool over everyone's eyes when it comes to target field. but i am guessing most here don't really care to hear about it just about everytime you post.

you constantly say things like: "there are obvious flaws in an otherwise great park that could easily have been avoided." oh really? instead of always making obscure, lame blanket statements like that with no actual suggestions or real information, how about you instead please share with us your unending wisdom oh great ballpark designer ben.

one would think you would have a job with HOK-Populous designing stadiums by now considering how much you claim to know about their construction and site constraints or lack thereof.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 01:53 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 53

Beta ---

If you have a problem with what I write why not just quit reading my posts? That would give you more time to enjoy your drink.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 02:05 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 54

huh?

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 02:43 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 55

I have to side with Ben on this one, little guy. There are myriad faults with Target Field. But the Metrodome set the bar so low that we've come to see the new place as near-perfect in comparison. I've sat in every seating section except the left field seats, and everywhere outside of the Champions' Club and Legends' Club is a tight fit. A real tight fit. Narrow seats, your knees jammed up against the seat in front of you, and railings in the way.
The railing issue is probably present in every stadium and hard to eliminate. On this point, I can only speculate, not having sat in the front row in any stadium except Target Field. But in my mind, the physics of making it perfect just don't seem to be there. Likewise with the rake in the lower deck; Target Field probably has a slope in the first deck no different than any now ballpark, but perhaps steeper than in some of the classic old parks now long gone. It's more in line with a baseball park as opposed to the football stadium the Twins were playing in. From my recollections, having to peer between the heeads in the row in front of you was necessary at Met Stadium too. The difference at Target Field as opposed to the Metrodome (Where I still had to peer between heads to view home plate while sitting in the lower deck) is that fans don't have to crane their necks to see what they need to be watching. Sitting down the foul lines now is far less likely to give you a sore neck than sitting just beyond the dugouts at the Metrodome did.
The mouthpieces on TV and in the print media rave about Target Field, but how many of them have veered off the concourses and plunked down in some of the seats? How many have hiked up to the top of the trapezoid, or squeeezed into the seats in the Terrace Level? They usually rave about the food, the view of downtown, the exterior, the clubs, and the Twins' fancy dressing room.
No, Target Field is far from perfect, and it might not even stack up that well against some of the newer parks in baseball. I've only beeen to three other new parks so far (AT&T Park, Busch Stadium, and Miller Park), and Target Field didn't dazzle me more than those, but it's such a tremendous step up from what we were forced to deal with that right now, it seems like near-perfection.
Give the place a half dozen years before making an honest, objective assessment of the pros and cons.
Until then, I'll take Ben's voice of experience over that of a relative neophyte still sated from too much Kool-Aid.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 07:39 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 56

And might I also suggest reading Dale Carengie's "How To Win Friends & Influence people."

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 07:41 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 57

Ben,

We're going to find lots of issues, and I'm not interested in sweeping anything under the rug. My goal here is absolutely to bring out these issues and discuss them so that people like dynamicduo will be armed with everything they need when the moment comes to renew their tickets for next year.

I'm interested in helping all the ballpark geeks get the best possible from TF.

Maybe along the way we can even help those who will be deciding on upgrades and improvements.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 08:14 AM by Rick 58

Well everyone,
I was able to get my hands on the rainbow pictures I got my buddy to shoot from last week. Here is how the best one turned out.


As you can see from this (and others) it wasn't optimal rainbow conditions but a full arc primary band and a decent secondary band made for a good show.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 09:08 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 59

Eh, my wife is short, about 5 feet tall, and my daughter is all of 5-foot-4-inches, and I can tell you this seat grading problem is an issue ANY venue we go to. Nothing new. If you're much under 6-feet-tall, you will have trouble seeing. We have to take this into consideration going to concerts, plays and sporting events. Just the way it is.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 60

"Just looked at the webcam and was wondering why the lights are always on even on non gamedays. Anyone have any insight?"

Well, there is the Kestrel to feed.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 10:51 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 61

I don't get the complaints about the tight seating. I've sat in Skyline View seats, the Legends Club, Field Box seats, the Field View and the Grandstand. The only place I've had an issue was when I sat in the Powerball Pavilion during the Gophers game, and it wasn't because the back of the seat in front of me, but rather the cupholders on each armrest.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 10:58 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 62

Fantastic photo Jared...Cool.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 11:50 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 63

I'm with you on that one Buffalo. I'm not a huge fan of the Pavillion either...I almost damn near lost my cell phone in those seats during the Open House.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 64

I've sat in the lower level in Bank One Ballpark (chase), Miller park, Jacobs Field (progressive), Kaufmann and as well as of course, the Metrodome and also Cleveland Browns stadium for football. And I can tell you the lower level grade in all those stadiums with the exception of the Metrodome are very similar, even Browns stadium was a much less grade than the Dome. The dome is rather rare in my experience for a steep lower level, mostly because there's not much between the upper and lower level (i.e. suite or club levels), the suites are on the same level as the main concourse in the dome, which allowed it to have more steep of an angle without pushing the upper level further away from the action. That steep an angle you usually only see in hockey or basketball arenas, not common in any other baseball or even football stadiums around the country.. at least from what i've seen/witnessed.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 1:23 PM by Jcm-Baseball Highlight this comment 65

Maybe the Twins could be the Yankees AAA team since they have no shot at ever beating them. Our top two starters cant beat there three and four starters, maybe just save us the postseason embarassment and not make it. At least Detroit would have a chance to beat them, they just took three of four and beat there ace fairly handily. I think its time to get rid of Gardy he showed us his managing skills last night bringing in Matty G to face A-Rod. A-Rod owns him and he still bring him in. Alright I am done venting...Hey at least we have a nice new stadium.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 2:21 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 66

Crainwreck strikes again! wow what does this guy have to do to get released?

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 2:31 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 67

If we're ever going to win a world series in the near future, we're going to have to learn how to beat New York. There's no way around it. I don't think firing Gardy is the way to handle the current situation. Making some moves to improve the 'pen is what needs to happen.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 2:47 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 68

The bullpen might be the key, as you pointed out, Matt. It seeems like the Twins can hang with the Skankees through the first few innings, but the Evile Empire always seems to pull ahead in the late frames.
With these new revenue streams, maybe the Twins can lure a couple of their bullpen guys away after the season. Think any of them would like to be one of the "good guys" for a change?

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 4:12 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 69

My biggest thing with the Twins vs. Yanks is that it seems like we need power arms to go up against them. Otherwise it becomes batting practice for them. Detroit handled the Yanks pretty well and they are loaded with power arms. Most of our guys throw in the low 90's. The baseball probably looks huge to the Yanks.

Posted on May 15, 2010 at 8:35 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 70

Michael Cuddyer's ability to hit into double plays is literally shocking.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 1:59 PM by Jeff T. Highlight this comment 71

If someone could shed some light on the physics of the discussion of the ball flying out of the park I'd appreciate it. Here's where I'm at right now:

In Colorado, the air is cool and dry, and the ball flies out of the park like crazy.

Here, it's been cool and dry and everyone is saying "wait until summer".

In summer, it will be hot and humid, so there will be more water in the air. Why does the ball fly out when it's hot? If that's the case, why does the ball fly in Colorado?

I'm looking forward to real answers on this.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 2:03 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 72

This is truly amazing, the absolute mental meltdown the Twins have when they get anywhere near the Bronx. It's like the Twins become the Sox at the dome whenever they face the Yanks at home; missing easy fly balls, not scoring a single effing run with two on and no out, just executing basic crap that they're normally so good at. At what makes it all worse, is that as soon as the Twins manage to fight and claw their way into a run, the freakin Yanks come back and score two and make it look easy as hell. Even worse is that if they're big boppers or big on-base guys can't manage to do their jobs for whatever reason, the Brett Gardners, Francisco Cervellis, and Ramiro Penas all of a sudden start playing and looking like all-stars. It's to the point where all the Yanks need to do if they're in need of a little momentum boost is play the damn Twins in NY. 12 straight regular season losses over there, going on 13. This is beyond embarrassing.

Come on boys. Please prove me wrong.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 2:24 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 73

And against DAVID ROBERTSON! If you can't take advantage of that situation, a guy who has an era over 11.0 and whose opponents' avg is over .400! Gaahhhhhh!

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 74

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 2:45 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 75

Gotta love that Jason Kubel

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM by amputechture Highlight this comment 76

Gotta love Scott Ulger send them when there out by a mile and when they can score he holds them up

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 3:25 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 77

White knuckle time!

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 3:28 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 78

We finally beat them! World Series here we come!

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 3:30 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 79

Whew! Those last few innings were heart-attack city.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 3:31 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 80

Thank god we're done playing in there for the year...

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 81

the reason the ball flies out at Coors is because the air is thinner at higher altitudes. The air in cold weather here is more dense, therefor the ball doesnt carry as well as during the summer when the air is warmer. However, if the air is warm, but humid, the air will be heavier, and the ball still may not carry as well as warm dry air.

I am no expert on this, just how I understand it.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 3:38 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 82

JCTwins-
major altitude difference, air density and dry air.

Hopefully the Twins just exercised some demons.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 83

Wow...I guess the sun does shine on a dog's ass every now and then.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 4:09 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 84

"10. Final thought: how can 40,000 people NOT be at work on a Wednesday afternoon?"

Because some of us got fired last Friday! haha! :)

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 4:23 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 85

Those of you that share my disdain for the GB Leighton song, here is a group you can join! (clicky - click)

HUGE win today!!

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 5:15 PM by Ole Highlight this comment 86

I've watched that Kubel grand-slam replay about 10 times now, and for some strange reason I just laugh harder every time I see it. I don't know why. Maybe it has something to do with the entirely unrestrained excitement in Dick's voice on the call, almost cracking like a little kid, maybe it's the incredibly audible "OH" gasp that you hear from the 46,000+ "Yankee faithful," maybe it's because of how ridiculous the whole situation seemed in context, the Twins getting two runners on against Joba, then having three consecutive successful plate appearances against Joba/Rivera with two outs in the inning including an almost inning-ending line drive off the tip of Texiera's glove, Mariano walking in a run for the first time since 1995, and then allowing a grand-slam at home in Yankee Stadium for only the second time ever and also for the first time since 1995, maybe it was the fact that the Yankees had only lost three games in the past year and a half when they were leading after the sixth inning, and we all know none of those three were against the Twins, or maybe it's just my own giddy excitement at our boy's finally having won a game in the bronx for what feels like the first time since game one of the 2003 ALDS (although I know it's only since 2007, only since 2007).

That was actually a semi-historic game between these two clubs. Like AJ said, hopefully they exorcised some of those Bronx demons.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 5:38 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 87

Is it just me, or did that almost feel like a playoff game?

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 5:47 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 88

the reason the ball flies out at Coors is because the air is thinner at higher altitudes. The air in cold weather here is more dense, therefor the ball doesnt carry as well as during the summer when the air is warmer. However, if the air is warm, but humid, the air will be heavier, and the ball still may not carry as well as warm dry air.

I am no expert on this, just how I understand it.

Vike-
Your explanation seems to match what we keep hearing. The thing is I keep hearing "wait til it warms up". As you said above, if the air is warm and humid, the ball will NOT carry. Doesn't this mean the ball should carry as well as it's going to early and late in the year?

Should we expect it to ever be hot and dry here? It's not Arizona...

Again, just trying to figure this out, cause it seems right now no one really understands it.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 7:21 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 89

If you were told a couple of months ago that this game would see a blown save, followed by a save, what names would come to mind?...

My favorite lines in today's box score:

Rivera, Ma (BS, 1) IP 0.1 H 1 R 2 ER 2 BB 1 SO 1 HR 1
Pitches-strikes Rivera, Ma 14-7
Inherited runners-scored: Rivera, Ma 3-3

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 7:28 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 90

Oh, yeah... and this one:
Rauch (S, 10) IP 1.0 H 2 R 0 ER 0 BB 0 SO 3 HR 0

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 7:42 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 91

yeah there will be some hot dry days here, especially in June...but I have been saying all a long as well... the hot and humid days are going to be far more miserable than the cold ones...at least for me anyways!

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 10:07 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 92

Have they made the changes to the Puckett statue yet? If so, are they even noticeable?

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 10:17 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 93

Schweady, in addition to all the fun historical context (which when the game is played, is essentially meaningless), those lines are my favorite stats from today as well - especially Rauch's, but especially Rivera's, but especially Rauch's.

Posted on May 16, 2010 at 10:32 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 94

My friend was at the game today. This is where his seats were:


Posted on May 16, 2010 at 11:16 PM by theloniousjoe Highlight this comment 95

I am weighing in on the elevation of seating. I was going to write something a while back, but figured it may have been covered.

My wife and I are STH in 123 and 323. In both sections we have experienced viewing issues. In 123, our issues come from the people directly in front of us. This is due to the angle of the seating. In a normal situation, the row in front would align with our seat.

Normal Section:

Row 15 - - - - -
Row 14 - - - - -

(Pitchers
Mound)

However, if I look at the field, I directly stare into the back of the head of the person in front of me

Our Section:

Row 15 - - - - -
Row 14 - - - - -

(Pitchers
Mound)

In section 323, our issue is not with the seats directly in front of us it is an issue with rows that are 2-3 rows in front of us.

Not much can be done. When we move to try to view, it just causes a chain-reaction for the people behind us to try and see. I think this all starts with the people trying to look around the railing in the upper deck.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 12:18 AM by TK Highlight this comment 96

All right, the editing did not allow for the rows to show that the seats are staggered, maybe O's will work?

R15: O O O O O O O
R14:O O O O O O O

If I look to the Right, I stare right at the back of the head of the person in Row 14. Maybe I will just have to take a picture this weekend...

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 12:20 AM by TK Highlight this comment 97

Here is a picture to illustrate what I was trying to explain. Click name for link. I am holding this picture from the angle of one that is 5'2"

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 12:35 AM by TK Highlight this comment 98

I think I can better explain what TK is trying to say...

R15 O O O O O O O

--- Texas School Book Depository ---

R!4 O O O O O O O O

x x x Grassy Knoll x x x

equals obstructed viewing.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 09:42 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 99

TK, it does nothing for me to see that if you are 5'2" your view is obstructed a bit by the heads in front of you. My wife is 5 feet tall and it's just something we have to deal with.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 11:15 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 100

Buffalo,

I'm nearly 6'1" and I still have to sit straight up and, depending on who's in the row in front of me, bob and weave like Gerry Cooney fighting Larry Holmes in order to see all the action. It takes a lot of fun out of sitting back, relaxing at a ballgame on a nice summer day.

Last I checked, the average US male was 5'9" and the average female was 5'3". There are plenty of people that have the view TK depicted. (insert some taller people in front of TK and it's now a problem for fans taller than 5'2")

My wife is 5'4" and the only time she has to deal with a situation like this (and we go to a ton of events at a lot of different venues), is when people are standing in front of her--usually at a concert.

I'm simply frustrated because it seems this was an easily avoidable situation---so that your wife, my wife and others don't have to deal with this.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 1:38 PM by dynamicduo Highlight this comment 101

Click for YES Network's highlight of Kubel's shot. Good Yankee dugout views.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 2:45 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 102

I feel for you guys who are unhappy with your seats. Are we talking 20 games? 40 games? a full 81 games? I mean what a kick in the goods to have to be at a large number of games and be unhappy with your view. That is the problem with assigning seats to a ballpark/stadium/new venue when no one has actually had the chance to sit the seats and see the variety of angles.

I think it will be very interesting to see how many people decide not to renew their seats for next season, how many decide they want to move their seats (for whatever reason, pricepoint, viewing obstructions, ballpark location etc), and how many decide to reduce the total number of seats they have (for instance from 4 to 2).

My only complaint has been with the height of the railings. Specifically those in the front of the 1st rows. At the X in St. Paul in the Club level and Upper level instead of a too high railing they have a barrier that is shaped like a wedge/V that is just high enough to prevent someone from unnecessarily falling over it yet not obtrusive enough to block anyone's view. I sincerely hope the Twins take the 2010-11 offseason to remedy a few of these pressing issues.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 3:13 PM by Max Highlight this comment 103

I'm splitting four tickets for a full season with 8 other owners, Max. Not sure what I'm going to do next year.

The X is so fantastic in so many ways. I can't think of a single error they made there.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 3:33 PM by dynamicduo Highlight this comment 104

Has anyone been on the Target Field Tour? I was wondering if it is worth the money to do it? I was at the open house back in march and about the only things I didn't get a chance to see were the suite level, Champions club and any player areas like the dugout or club house. Is the clubhouse on the tour?

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 3:39 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 105

I'm curious about the tour as well. There are still a few places I haven't seen (like the Bud deck and the clubhouses).

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 4:10 PM by Rick 106

Huge win in the bronx yesterday. Right now I would take a 3-4 road trip!!!!

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 4:24 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 107

Tour is high on my to-do list, also. I recall hearing (can't recall where... FSN during a game?) that the home clubhouse is NOT part of the tour.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 4:24 PM by schweady Highlight this comment 108



I love stumbling onto a game in progress at a beautiful field on a beautiful, sunny afternoon.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 4:32 PM by Rick 109

I just got tickets for the Rangers series over memorial weekend in section 326 row 2. Has anyone sat near there? I was wondering if anyone had opinions on the views from out there. I'll be makin my first trip to target field. Being from Montana, I don't get to go as much as I'd like, but am extremely excited for trip, and only hope I won't be disappointed with my seats.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 5:39 PM by Nikc Highlight this comment 110

Nikc, I've been in section 320...you have a nice view of the skyline, and overall a good view of the field. Being in row 2, I'm not sure what kind of railing issues you'll have, but overall, I think the 320's have a nice view of everything.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 5:43 PM by luke Highlight this comment 111

The rake takes care of any railing issues. The guy in front of you may have an issue with your knee/shin. Please let us know your impressions and have a great stay!!!

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 5:59 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 112

According to the Twins' website, the TF tour takes visitors as far as the Twins' dugout. If the clubhouse was included, I'm sure they would include a big selling point like a trip to the clubhouse.
A visit to the Champions' Club is on the itinerary for a view of the World Series trophies might be the only thing on the list that wasn't available to fans during the open house on March 27th.

Posted on May 17, 2010 at 6:09 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 113

I just got back from seeing Iron Man 2 in theaters (Great Movie!), and am shocked to see no posts since 6. No one here enjoyed the game, Morneau 2 home runs, anyone, anyone...... Anyways, also count me in as someone interested in hearing about the tour. I have a ticket for next Monday and I never made it to the open house so I'm excited to hear what it includes from anyone who knows.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:20 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 114

Nice video on Jim Rome with Orlando Hudson that shows some off limit areas of Target Field. Click here to view.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:22 AM by FD Highlight this comment 115

Nikc, you should have no rail issues on row 2. My season tickets are also in section 326 row 7. Great veiws and you get the sun during day games. Great win by the boys last night. Now how sweet would a sweep be? Game starts in 3 hours! Morneau on fire man!!!

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 08:42 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 116

I'm torked off I don't have MLB network since that's the only way to watch the game today and I work from home on Tuesdays so I'd have no problem watching it while I worked! Ah well...

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 08:58 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 117

If you don't get the MLB Network, you should be "torked" off. It is by far the best source of baseball coverage. ESPN coverage doesn't hold a candle to it. It can get repetitive at times but if you want highlights, recaps, and live coverage (at bats, no hitters, 9th inning)it is the only way to go. You definitely are missing out and should be "torked" off.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 09:17 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 118

one very easy way to get the MLB Network. Get DirecTV! It is far and away the best service out there. True HD, a lot of sports, and price, all beat anything else out there!

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 11:31 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 119

Hey, F_T_K!

Did you send me the buttons? They got here a while ago -- and you probably saw me wearing one in photos -- but I just now figured out who they were from, I think. USPS slapped a sticker over the return address, and everything underneath pealed off with it. Took some detective work...

Anyway, thanks! Noah wouldn't take his off for two weeks.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 11:56 AM by Rick 120

Game over in Toronto

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:09 PM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 121

/blush/

I need to get my source to make some more. They're fun to hand out at games - I try to give away one or two (always to kids!) each game.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:25 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 122

I'd be pretty astonished if the Twins' clubhouse was part of any in season tour. During the season that area has been considered a sanctuary of the uniformed personnel and generally off limits to anyone who doesn't have an official reason to be there.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:26 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 123

It wouldn't surprise me if the clubhouse was off limits. The Metrodome clubhouse was available at Twins Fest but that was in the middle of the off season. Yankee stadium included it in their tour when the team was out of town, but that could have been just because it was the final season. May never get to see it unless they extend tours beyond the season.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:42 PM by Pnb19 Highlight this comment 124

Twinkfan, what package do you have?

I am also in 326 row 7, have the purple 20 game package.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:43 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 125

click for interesting story about a school's experience with group tickets.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 12:49 PM by tom Highlight this comment 126

Duffman I'm on plan c for the 20 gamer. My next game is the tru blue brew crew at 3:15 Saturday! Sunny and 81 might just be gettind in the shade by then. Man we are getting drilled 6-1 today! It was a nice run! How bout the loss by the Bosox last night? Man 2 outs bottom of the ninth and A Rod hits the 2 run dinger to tie it off Pappelbon. Couple batters later he gives up the walk off winner! OUCH!

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 1:07 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 127

Carl just didn't have it today.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 1:17 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 128

That article about children's group tickets is really eye opening. Shame on the Twins for not honoring their price quote from earlier in the year. What kind of business practice is that, squeezing an extra few hundred bucks out of a group of school kids when it was your own staff that messed up the quote?

Business 101 would tell you that swallowing the loss that you may incur from giving a customer mistaken price quote would end up less than the publicity hit you could take. At this point the Twins have gotten so caught up with how much money they can bring in in ticket sales that they are crapping all over their fans.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 1:19 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 129

Eh, I disagree. It was on the school to buy those tickets at that quoted price rather than waiting. A quote is just that, a quote, not a contract.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 1:38 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 130

Well if your gonna lose might as well lose big! 11-1 in the 8th inning! White Sox up 4-2 bottom of 6! Hey I will take a 3-4 road trip!Need the split at least in Boston!

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 1:49 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 131

I agree Buffalo, a quote is a quote and by no means a contracted price to buy tickets six months later.

I am sure we are not hearing the entire story either but rather some bits and pieces from a controversial issue.

If you can't afford to go to a game at $22/ticket than don't go. It's a privilege to go, not a right. It's entertainment and if you can't afford the price, than don't go, its that simple. When we are in bad economic times, most people need to cut back on expenses, the school included.

It should come as no surprise that most fans are paying MORE for their tickets this year. That is basic economics -- supply and demand. Going from a 55,000 football stadium to a 38,900 seat baseball park is going to result in the loss of many "cheap seat" tickets you were able to find at the Metrodome.

And while the $22 might not be cheap, its still a very reasonable price for a major league baseball game. Yes, I am sure you can get cheaper tickets in Oakland, Kansas City, Tampa, Miami, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh but $22 is very reasonable when comparing to other similar markets such as Seattle, Detroit, St. Louis, Phoenix, Houston, and Denver.

And the people in Austin are NOT paying for the stadium. It's ANYONE who purchases goods IN HENNEPIN COUNTY who is paying the .15% Hennepin County sales tax.

And it should be no surprise to anyone on this thread if there was a "miscommunication" between the school and Twins reps. Most of us know we could talk to five different Twins reps and end up with five different answers.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 2:42 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 132

While I agree the Twins could have avoided bad PR by giving this school a huge break on the price, ultimately it would be resulted in 10 other schools calling and wanting 200 tickets for 50% off as well.

If you give one group the discount it might be even worse PR for another school to say they were treated unfairly.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM by tom Highlight this comment 133

So you want a tour of the ballpark? You get a behind the scenes tour and commentary from Orlando Hudson as he hangs out with teammates. I think Slowey was close to getting teed off on.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 3:17 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 134

i can't stand dumba$$es like that austin school principal. he sounds like most of the idiots in this state who are absolutely clueless when it comes to stadium contruction and finance. he says: "well, we are paying for that ballpark with our taxes and whatnot". ahhhh......no your not goober. you live and work in austin, mn. it is the citizens of minneapolis and hennepin county paying the public share of target field. get a frickin' clue. and "shame" on the lame reporter for not clarifying that very obvious fact in her lame little sob story.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 3:55 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 135

NotMendoza, Thats the same video FD posted earlier. Anyways, loved the video. O-dawg looks like an absolute piece of work! Cool behind the scenes footage!

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 3:55 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 136

Have to agree Beta! What a buffoon! This ain't the metrodump we are playing in anymore! Suppply and demand economics! Maybe the Twins can send them some posters to make em feel better! FCOL!

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 4:31 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 137

As far as that sob story in the Austin newspaper, the reader comment I loved the most was:
"More free enterprise at work. The Twins are working supply & demand to their financial advantage..."

That WAS the whole damn point, right? Financial advantage for the Twins?

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 4:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 138

Re: FD's post 12:22am 5/18. In addition to the Hudson video, check out the New Mexico/BYU women's soccer game high(low?)lights on the right side of the page.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM by robin Highlight this comment 139

Pohlads donate $2 Million to Siebert Field effort. Maybe they feel bad for them playing at the Metrodome.

Posted on May 18, 2010 at 6:38 PM by Grizzly Adams Highlight this comment 140

This talk about the costs for class field trips increasing with TF got me thinking about a time when I had some extra time on my hands, when I crunched some numbers.

I looked at what revenue would be in the Metrodome if the Twins were to sellout a game in 2009 (55,583) to Target Field in 2010 (39,504). I wish I would have done this on the computer rather than on a recycled sheet of paper.

If I remember correctly, after I calculated the numbers (Seats in each section, cost of each of those seats), the Twins were bringing in about $300,000-400,000 more a game by having to sell 16,000 fewer seats, not including any revenue added by having their own private suites, etc.

It also helps the Twins that the average ticket price increased by about 45%.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 01:22 AM by TK Highlight this comment 141

How did you determine the number of seats in each section in both buildings?

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 06:08 AM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 142

At the time, I found a document that listed all the seats by section type, but I cannot seem to find that specific document any longer.

Regardless, the $29 seats Metrodome Lower Reserved are now $43/$32 (Diamond Box/Field Box) in the same location area compared with the Dump. I had season tickets in Row 2 of Section 133, those same seats would cost me $69/game if I wanted the same view this year. I pay about $9.00 more a game to sit 2 sections over about about 20 rows higher from the field at TF.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 09:32 AM by TK Highlight this comment 143

I just recalled that I was able to count seats (Generically) by having access to the seat selection site for season ticket holders. I was able to go section by section counting (Rows times Seats) and writing those numbers down.

Unfortunately, I do not believe anyone has access to that site any longer. I think I lost access about 2 weeks after selection.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 09:36 AM by TK Highlight this comment 144

TK, your study is already flawed if you used 55,583 as your number for the Metrodome last year. A sellout for a normal game with that curtain down was in the 48,000 neighborhood, I think. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they only raise that curtain during the playoffs to push the attendance up to 55,500.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 10:47 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 145

They raised the curtain for 163 aswell, did they for the home opener?

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 12:43 PM by Duffman Highlight this comment 146

Hops vines have been planted. About four feet tall I would guess. Looks like they planted several different varieties, perhaps to see which does the best.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 12:50 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 147

Curtain was raised for game 161 (Saturday 10/3) and 162 (Sunday, 10/4) as well.

Who really cares if the ticket prices went up this year? It should come as no suprise to anyone.

Also, it's not a very fair comparison when comparing Target Field to the Metrodome when comparing ticket prices.

The only similar seating areas you can compare are the HR porch view/terrace in Target Field to the LF HR porch seats in the Metrodome. Also, lower reserved in the Metrodome to Field Box in Target Field. You could also compare the Upper Club in the Metrodome to do Home Plate View/Terrace in Target Field.

Other than that, you didn't have RF/LF bleachers in the Metrodome. You didn't have the Legends Club or Champions Club in the Metrodome. Last, but not least, you don't have 8,000+ upper deck cheap seats in Target Field, not to mention the TF capacity is only 38,500 compared to the 46,000 (curtain lowered) and 56,000 (curtain raised) seat Metrodome

All in all, most ticket prices did not increase much this year. The Twins gradually increased ticket prices over the last few years to reflect the new ballpark opening this year so it would be less of a "shock" for the fans.

The Twins also did not have a 3-tier pricing system in the Metrodome. They only had a few "premium" games which they added $5 on to the ticket price for the Yankees, Brewers and Red Sox.

If you want to compare Twins/Target Field ticket prices, than compare them to similar markets such as St. Louis, Seattle, Cleveland, Detroit, Arizona and Colorado. In the end, you might be surprised how affordable Twins tickets are compared to other MLB teams in similar markets.

When comparing, you just need to compare apples to apples. As most of us know, you can't fairly compare the Metrodome (a football venue) to Target Field (a baseball venue).

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 148

I do think that the comparison of maximum possible revenue per game between the two venues is an interesting one.

Apples to apples is tough, however, because some info (suite pricing, percentage of group sales discounts, etc.) isn't readily available to the public.

Still, I'm very curious if anyone could put something useful together.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 1:46 PM by Rick 149

Speaking of tickets what do you think my Skyline View upper deck season tickets will be next year? I'm thinkiing they will go to at least $15.00 per game.. Thinking of going the 40 game package next year. $12.00 a seat is a steal this year. Like the fact that you also are paying the price difference on the premium games with the season tickets!

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 1:52 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 150

That should read NOT paying the price difference on the premium games with season tickets! Looks like Boston getting the crappy weather we had last week. 70% chance of rain and cold. Too bad that game is not here tonight! 80 and sunny next game this Saturday afternoon!

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 151

Twink I doubt they raise ticket prices 25%, if at all. The demand for tickets won't be the same next year that it was this year, although I could still see them raising them a little bit. 25%, even if $3 a game is a ton and people would complain.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 2:07 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 152

I completely understand that one should expect to pay more in the new stadium. I am not too concerned, the only thing I was frustrated with is that the location of my seats last year are now $69.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 2:36 PM by TK Highlight this comment 153

Clicked send too quickly. Click my name in this or previous post for market research between ball clubs.

Twins have second highest beer prices (Boston $7.25)...$4.00 in Arizona, must be 2.1%/vol!

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 2:38 PM by TK Highlight this comment 154

TK, if you look closely, you'll see that beer price is for a 20oz. beer, only Florida offers that as the smallest available choice (at $7.00 too). The Boston $7.25 beer is only 14 oz.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 2:55 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 155

Anyone notice that Dish Network again didn't have the game in HD on Monday? I'm resigned to the fact that this will not be fixed until my contract is up and I switch providers next year.

Rick, any response back from them on their policy?

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 2:58 PM by Jesse Highlight this comment 156

i believe the beer you get in a glass at target field is 16 oz. obviously bottles are 12 oz.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 157

I'm thinking I will pack a couple dogs and bring them in with my peanuts and clear rum next game saturday! Love the ambassador skin on old fashioned dogs man! Or may just stop at the ole Holiday gas station right next to the park and bring a couple in! You can't bring pop in can you? Maybe I should try bringing in one of those oven roasted full chickens next??? Laughing out Loud!!!!!!

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 3:21 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 158

I was in Chase stadium in AZ last April to catch a game. Was like a morgue in there even with the roof open! Day after the home opener and I think they announced the crowd at 15,000. Maybe that many legs! Did have cheap beer however and some guy handed us free tickets outside to boot. Although you could get in for $5.00 then move anywhere you wanted!

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 159

"obviously bottles are 12 oz."

I believe the "bottles" at the dump were 16 oz. - have not paid any attention to what they are at TF, but less beer for more money would not be a shocker.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 160

I am pretty sure 16oz is the standard for the plastic bottles they sell in stadiums/ballparks.

At Target Field, it's $7.00 for a 16oz tap (your typical domestic beer) and $7.00 for a 16oz bottle from the vendors. Not sure about the premium prices at TF.

I have been buying my beer from vendors lately as I am not a fan of waiting in the long concession lines for a simple domestic beer when vendors are selling them throughout the concourse (near the entrance to each section) before games for the same price and same quantity. It's a matter if you prefer taps or bottles or long lines or short lines.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 161

Local beers in the concourse are $6.50 for a 12 oz. bottle.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 4:28 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 162



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Front row RF box

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The monster

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Posted on May 19, 2010 at 4:58 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 166

I'll predict same pricing next year.
I also was in an area which physically would be $69 this year, but of course there are the dugout box amenities, better seats, angles, etc. Not worth the difference to me, but I think some of the Diamond Box and Field Box seats are similar enough in price and location to be worth it in a new park.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 5:17 PM by robin Highlight this comment 167

Robin, I definitely still think the price point is great for the lower level above the Dugout Box seats, and those that did not have seats in the lower 12 rows will see no real change, but maybe feel a little lower to the action.

I agree with all that it is not a fair comparison to the two stadiums.

I guess my only point was that the Twins personnel may have less difficulty in the new stadium (hopefully for many years to follow) and have to sell fewer tickets, hypothetically 15,000 (difference in maximum attendance between parks) to have an significant increase in revenue. However, this does provide the Twins to generate the funds to continue to be competitive and still impact our local communities.

Even if that 15,000 seat difference (Dump to TF) was all GA, the Twins would only be losing $150,000. However, you also have to keep in mind the Twins generating any revenue from ticket handling fees, etc from those potential 15,000 tickets.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM by TK Highlight this comment 168

As far as the Twins ticket pricing goes...at least they aren't charging $2600 per seat to sit behind home plate, only to be forced to lower ticket prices just so people will go.
Although, I do wonder where our "high-falutin" people are that bought $275 tickets in the Champions Club. I'll bet most are in the bar back there huh?

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 5:50 PM by luke Highlight this comment 169

That would be my guess. after all, who's going to pass up the chance to be seen in the right place by all the right people?

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 6:12 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 170

You're right, TK. It would have been nice to be that close again. Just too much money and too few seats available at pickin' time.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 6:30 PM by robin Highlight this comment 171

But think of all the people who would see them on tv if they spent some time in their Champ Club seats.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM by robin Highlight this comment 172

has anyone seen Lindsay Clubine? She is engaged to Clay Buchholz.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 7:11 PM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 173

For grasping social climbers, all the people that matter are in the Champions' Club.

Posted on May 19, 2010 at 8:27 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 174

How has no one on this blog taken the tour yet. I thought a whole bunch of people from on here would have gone already. Does anyone have pictures of the hops on the topiaries?

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 02:30 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 175

It appears AAA Rochester fans gave a standing ovation last night -- for the opposing pitcher. That's "Mr. Strasburg" to you!

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 08:44 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 176

Hammer: I've been on the tour for a private event at Target Field. It was good except I thought the tour guide was absolutely worthless. He literally said NOTHING that I didn't already know from Rick or following ballparkmagic. You couldn't hear him and he wasn't knowledgable about hardly anything. We also didn't get to go in the Club Level (and hence the Press Box) as the Twins had another outing in there on this particular night. The home clubhouse was off-limits as the guide said "Joe Nathan could be in there running around in his underwear". Mind you it was 7pm. I would imagine the Twins clubhouse will be off-limits to all but the most exclusive tours unless it is the offseason.

We did get to go in the visitor's clubhouse/training room/bathrooms, in the dugouts, see the batting tunnels, the Champion's Club, the Bud Roof Deck, the Suite level. I may do it again for the $15 just to see what the Twins show the general public...

Who's going to the ballpark this weekend? Should be absolutely gorgeous. Don't forget the sunscreen.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:09 AM by Max Highlight this comment 177

Max will be there Saturday for the 3pm game. Might just be getting some shade in my section 326 by them. Should be perfect baseball weather. Lets hope the halter tops are out in full force! Bring back halter top promo days!!!!!! I mean gotta be cheaper to make a tiny halter top than a bobblehead right? ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:32 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 178

From a previous post we know the worst seat in TF is in section "S", but how are the other seats in that section? My wife gave me a b'day present of tickets in section S / row 11 / seats 10 & 11. Will those be OK.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM by trebor651 Highlight this comment 179

What is the issue with Section S again? Are you underneath the 3rd deck and can not see the big scoreboard?

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:42 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 180

Trebor, I sat in Section S, row 14 (the very last row), seats 10, 11, 12 for the third Red Sox game in April. They were great, no viewing problems. If you're in row 11, you'll be fine.

I really liked it personally because I have a small bladder and there's a men's room right behind that section. So after the one or five beers I had I only had to climb over my seat, do my business and I was back in a flash.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:52 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 181

TwinkFan-
Many seats in section S have no view of homeplate.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 12:51 PM by AJ Highlight this comment 182

I wouldn't say "many seats" of S are bad, but those which are bad are really bad.

Basically, the lower the seat number and the higher the row, the more likely you will have viewing troubles. Seats 1-5 of any row but 1 or 2 may have problems with the railing along the right-hand side of the section.

In the very back rows, the first couple of seats have their view of home plate blocked by the Legends Club.

Also disconcerting about section S for me was that the seats are of the narrow variety, and the leg room is minimal. It felt kind of sardine-like. But it makes up for it by being close to a lot of things you might want or need -- booze, for example.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 1:34 PM by Rick 183

"booze, for example"

There are people, strange as it may seem to some, who go to the ballpark to watch a ballgame. If that can not be accomplished, in one's own seats at least, I suppose alcohol might be viewed by many as an alternative endeavor. Seems like a pretty expensive place to sit and drink, however.

Have the Twins ever reconciled their widely broadcast "Not a bad seat in the house --- " claims with the facts?

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 1:47 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 184

I've heard that if you say something loud enough, and repeat it enough times, it becomes the truth -- whether or not it squares with anything objectively observable.

Some believe that our entire political system (and, perhaps, the whole of our culture) is built around that very notion.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 1:55 PM by Rick 185

I just love the "Served in Viet Nam" guy. Lying flat out and then saying he mis-spoke. Wow!

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 2:00 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 186

Ben, I don't know if you were referring to this but it reminded me of Gene from Wet Hot American Summer.

"I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters"

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 2:40 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 187

Someone had mentioned earlier in this thread (or could have been the previous thread) that you are allowed to walk through the Legends Club during games if you are just walking through with a general seating area ticket?

Is this true? I would be surprised if this is true as it defeats the purpose of a "club level" when everyone can have access and walk through it?

Ushers stand at the Legends Club entrances near Section S and in the lobby near the escelators near the event suites/Metropolitan Club.

Can anyone confirm whether or not you are able to walk through the Legends Club with a general seating area ticket?

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 2:50 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 188

Mike,

Not during a game, but after the game is over. I don't know if they do that for every game, but it's been open both times I've tried it.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 3:03 PM by Rick 189

Mike: That is incorrect. You must possess a Legends Club or Suite level ticket in order to access the Legends Club. It would defeat the "purpose" of the Club level by allowing all 39K ticket holders to freely wander through. In fact, IMO one of the great perks is the space to move around (as opposed to the ridiculously packed Main concourse, especially between the bases). The leather chairs and Puckett/Carew Atriums along with the Killebrew 573 bar are nice amenities to relax and/or escape for a few minutes.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 3:04 PM by Max Highlight this comment 190

It looked to me when I was in section S that the ushers at the doors of the Legend's Club were checking tickets as people tried to enter.

Interesting Rick that you thought the seats in S were cramped, I did not have that feeling when I was there and I'm pretty tall, 6'4".

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 3:08 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 191

I wouldn't count on having access to the Legends Club after games - every game I've been to people who have tried to access it after the final out have been turned away.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 3:11 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 192

Faber,

Could be there are differences from row to row. But I was uncomfortable in S, while quite comfortable out on the Overlook. I was also mostly comfortable in View Level seats, perhaps because the row in front is so much lower.

Expectorate,

In both cases that I went through the Legends Club after games, the doors were wide open on both ends, and the ushers were just sort of hanging around -- certainly not checking tickets.

It was after most of the crowd had headed for the escalators, so maybe you have to wait a few minutes. Like I say, it may not be every game, but if you've never been inside, it's worth swinging past the doors before leaving the park just on the outside chance that they're open.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM by Rick 193

Has anyone sat in Section 332, row 14? I have seats there for a group outing in July. Is row 14 near the top of the Home Run Porch View section? How are the views? thanks

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 4:27 PM by Stevie B Highlight this comment 194

I'm headed out there Sunday, Max. Just got my tickets via TC Traders today. Incidentally, I'll be in Section S, but in the 7th row, and not on the aisle. Based on everything said as of late about Section S, it seems, that we won't have viewing problems from where we are.

At the open house in March, I checked out some seats in Section U, I didn't think the seats were cramped over there, actually they were pretty nice. I can't imagine it's different from Section U to any of the others in the Skyline Deck.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 4:33 PM by luke Highlight this comment 195

Stevie, I was up there for a Wells Fargo outing. Buddy of mine got 4 tickets for Detroit game may 4th. We never went up to our seats we walked around and watched the game from several areas on the first deck. 3 innings in left field, 3 innings behind home plate and 3 innings down the first base line. Those along 1st base where the deck above does not obstruct your view are the best to stand. You can see the big board but still close to the action! You will be out there aways in section 332 row 14! Bring the binoculars!

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 4:40 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 196

I have some seats in the family section during the a couple of the Yankee games. What is the view like? Any obstructions? Does it feel like you are far away from the game?

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 4:41 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 197

Jeff family sections are upper deck between home plate and 1st base. You will be in the shade during a day game but seats are good!

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 4:56 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 198

Be nice is Fransisssssssssssssssssssssssssco could get us a win tonight to end this road trip from hell!

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 199

Twins suck, 2-5 road trip. Twins are pretenders! Inconsistent ptiching, untimely hitting. If they were in the AL East they would be the 4th best team.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 7:01 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 200

The Twins simply cannot beat the big dogs in the AL. Until they can prove otherwise, they will remain "pretenders" in the AL within the weak AL Central.

Gardy with "his guys" such as Punto and Cuddyer. Cuddyer should be hitting lower in the lineup and Delmon Young should be moved up in the order, but since Delmon is not one of "Gardy's guys" he does not play as much as he should.

They just do not play well on the road for some reason outside of the AL Central. They always seem to struggle in NY, Boston, Oakland, Texas, Seattle and Anaheim. Yes, they won 3 of 4 in Anaheim this year, but that was first series of the year in April.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 7:54 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 201

Jeff - click my name for a pic I shot from the Family Section at the open house.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 9:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 202

Wow Mike and Firedog, a wee bit reactionary aren't you? This was a horrible road trip, but no team goes without a slump in the season. It's amazing how quick you are to dismiss their opening trip to Anaheim. Up until this road trip they had won every one of their series but one. I hate seeing losing streaks like this, but ultimately unlike you I do believe we are a good team and it will balance out in the end. I want to try to stay as even keel as I can throughout the season without getting too high or too low.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 10:48 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 203

Got free tickets from a customer at work for tomorrow sec 226 seats 1-4, the handicap seats. Who all is going tomorrow and where you sitting?

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:13 PM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 204

Interesting nugget from Sid's column:

Except for some single tickets that are on sale under a new policy, all nine games of the Twins' homestand that begins Friday against Milwaukee are sold out.

Anyone know what this "new policy" is? Standing-room only tickets??

I am not looking at just this year

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:13 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 205

Hebrew - I am not looking at just this year. The Twins have done nothing to prove they can beat the big dogs in the AL when it comes down to it.

It just gets frustrating when they consistently play the way they do against some of those teams OUTSIDE the AL Central year after year.

Besides the opening-series at LA (and the Twins swept the Angels last year at home in April as well), the only other road series prior to this current road trip was Chicago, Kansas City, Detroit and Cleveland. Three of those four teams are horrible.

We have proven the last several years we can win the AL Central...I am fine with that, but when are they going to start competing outside the division? AL Central titles don't get you anything, its the World Series Championships that matter most.

I hate to be so negative, but its the truth when it comes to the Twins. AL Central Division titles only get you so far...its time raise expectations and take the next step and compete outside the AL Central Division.

Posted on May 20, 2010 at 11:31 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 206

Jerry Crasnick wrote an interesting article about the Twins' expectation that pitchers will throw strikes. He writes:

If there's a downside to the approach, it's that Minnesota's reliance on command-and-control, finesse pitchers might not work as well in October, when hitters' bats are slower and power pitchers have the advantage. But that's a question for another day.

There is also the strong implication that this approach could explain their apparent systemic troubles with juggernauts like the Yankees and Red Sox, where pure power may be the only real solution (though Aaron Gleeman is more interested in looking at over-management).

Dazzle would say that Twins pitchers aren't moving enough feet out east, another byproduct of the finesse approach. Batters get too comfortable in the box.

It's definitely an interesting subject.

As for the road trip, I think the team misses Hardy more than anyone wants to let on.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:26 AM by Rick 207

Mike,

The "new policy" refers to the decision to sell single tickets at the box office instead of insisting that people buy in pairs.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:27 AM by Rick 208

i get the feeling that firedog is just trying to get a rise out of some of you. seems his strategy has worked. chill the F out ladies! i am not worried about the twins. a bit annoyed and miffed with some of the roster decisions that gardenhire makes? yes, absolutely. but not worried about the twins. they will be just fine as the season gets into summer/fall. you are going to have some minor stretches like this.

anyways, i think part of it stems from when hardy went out of the lineup with his "phantom" slidding wrist injury. the bottom half of the offense has been a bit out of synch since that point. it sounds like he will be back on tuesday which should help get them back into the mode they were in before he stepped out of the lineup.

now let's go tea-bag these little b!tch a$$ brewers from cheese-d!que land. FU weeeeeskonsin!

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:53 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 209

Gee - for as much ado that the Vikings give about not wanting to stay in the Metrodome, they sure want to dress it up...click my name.
Incidentally, the article has it wrong, the lease expires in 2011, not 2012.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 07:30 AM by luke Highlight this comment 210

They have to dress it up because the Vikings are second to last or last in revenue in the NFL. That's about the only way they can get more money besides charging more to fans.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 08:19 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 211

Here is the thing with the Twins they can beat up on the Royals and Indians and all the bottom feeders of the league but when ever they play the big boys its always the same story.I mean they havent won in Boston now since 2007 they beat the Spankees once and (it took a miracle win for that to happen) in like 15 games. Its nice winning the AL Central but if that is it every year it gets frustrating. You look at there rotation and its a bunch of number 2 and 3 starters. When you get to the playoffs your facing all these number 1's. It would be nice to throw a Cliff Lee out there in a game 1 but the Twins like to stick to there home grown thing with pitching. Look at there bullpen, there arent to many pitchers out there that can miss bats and thats why we always get killed playing the big bashers from out east. The Twins have probably there best offense in the last 20 years but you can only go so far with offense. Good pitching always beats good hitting in the playoffs. Maybe Bill Smith will shock us all this summer and trade for a big time pitcher or two.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 09:04 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 212

I totally agree firedog.

Who have the Twins beaten this year on the road to prove to the fans they can beat the top teams in the league?

Anaheim Angels below .500
Chicago White Sox below .500
Kansas City Royals below .500
Cleveland Indians below .500

The Twins are 3-7 on the road against teams above .500 (Tigers, Yankees, Blue Jays, Red Sox). The elite teams win at least 5 of those 10 games on the road.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 09:31 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 213

God, I was hoping this forum wouldn't become the same old bitch and moan about the Twins stuff that KFAN, the Strib and other forums have become. I guess that was too much to ask.

I'm not saying people can't complain about the team when they play bad, but it gets annoying to hear the same old stuff again and again. Look, the Twins paid big money for Mauer, they signed Orlando Hudson, they traded for J.J. Hardy. It isn't like they aren't trying to improve themselves. Give me a break.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 09:37 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 214

Yep, Buffalo, I agree. This is the first time the Twins have tried to win something other than just the division.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 09:40 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 215

Ha! Now that's an oxymoron: Beta telling the board to "chill the F out!"

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 10:40 AM by N.D. (aka N.D. "Rube") Highlight this comment 216

Ha well played ND. Glad others are able to see the irony...

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 10:56 AM by Max Highlight this comment 217

Beta, were you drunk when you posted last night?

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 11:01 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 218

Anyone see that report on MPR about public opposition to the Vikings stadium?

I understand that a lot of people are opposed to taxes for professional sports, but I question who is being questioned in these polls? What questions are they asking these people? Are they simply asking, "Do you support public financing for pro sports?"

For example, the Twins, if someone asked, "would you pay $0.03 on a $20 purchase to keep the Twins in Minnesota?" I bet the opposition would not be as nearly as high as the MPR "study" indicates.

Why have I never been polled on any of these issues over the last decade or so? Who are these people polling and what exact questions are they being asked? A change in the wording can go a long way towards informing the public.

Do people realize they are paying just $0.15 on every $100 (or $.03 on every $20) purchase in Hennepin County under the ballpark tax?

People need to be better informed of what the exact tax would be and what it would cost the average person. So many people get worked up when they hear "tax dollars" its annoying because the 0.15% ballpark tax is so small its not even that big of a deal. Do people even realize how much they have actually paid to date on the Twins ballpark tax? Personally, I have probably paid less than $5 over the last three years as a direct result of the ballpark tax.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 11:25 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 219

AMEN MIKE! That is exactly how they need to go about these issues. Don't just mention taxes, but explain to the people exactly what they are taxed on, and how much they will be taxed! We need to keep the Vikings in Minnesota, whether you like them or not, they are a viable asset to the Twin Cities and to the entire State/Region!

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM by Vikeologist Highlight this comment 220

Look, you say "tax" to some people and they simply say "no".

You say "pay" to some people and they simply say "no".

You say "professional sports" to some people and they just say "no".

You say "stadium" to some people and they just say "no".

You say anything to some people and they just say "no".

Sometimes they have reasons first, but at least some of the time it's just a gut reaction and reasons get filled in later.

The real question is, why do we ever build new stadiums? If so many people hate the idea so much, why is it that it always gets done?

I'd bet that the answer says a lot about human nature.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM by Rick 221

If the Vikings leave there precious little general fund will take about a $20 million dollar a year hit from taxes paid by players of the Vikings and visiting teams. I dont understand how you couldn't just use that money and other user fees and get that stadium done. You figure with whatever the Wilf's contribute and the money from the general fund and a few user fees it should be a no brainer. Building that stadium puts thousands of people back to work and if those people are working arent they paying taxes too into the state! I think in the end they will get something done or it will be the LA Vikings and then they will beg the NFL for another team and build a stadium for them.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 11:50 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 222

As a local Milwaukeian and loyal supporter of our favorite 9 I turn to the premier historian/politician/philosopher of our time, Homer Simpson, for a few words to start our Friday:

IN YOUR FACE MILWAUKEE!!!

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 223

The mystery corner at 5th St. & 2nd Ave. (next to Epic) has finally identified itself as the future home of Ahern's Irish Pub. I guess somebody decided we need ANOTHER Irish pub in the neighborhood. At least it insures the availability of some decent beer. Website attached.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:01 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 224

They've had a sign up in the window there for a few weeks saying that was moving in there. They have been working on the inside for a bit too. I bet they do well, just because it has a patio and people love that. And people could stop there and wait for the foot traffic to die down, because walking up 5th street after a game there is the slowest of any exits at times.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 225

Fox's sports article ranking 10 best ballparks in MLB.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:27 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 226

Most importantly, we lead the #163 home field advantage 4-2.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:44 PM by twinswschamps2010 Highlight this comment 227

I wish they had asked me in that poll. I could brought the percentage against taxes for a new Vikings stadium up even further. They just don't need one and shouldn't be asking for one when the state is in the mess it is already. $20 million (if that number is even accurate) is a drop in the bucket considering the $3 billion budget deficit we have.

If they could fund a stadium with just user fees, fine (although good luck getting the chambers of commerce and visitors bureaus, etc., on board with rental car or hotel taxes). But I don't think you're going to get the $35 million it would take a year to make payments on the stadium through just user fees.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 12:58 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 228

The issue for many is not the % of the tax so much as that it is another tax. I think there is at least a modicum of validity to the argument that better uses for for tax $$$ can be found than to make already rich people even richer.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 2:05 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 229

Sorry about the extra "for".

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 230

rich even richer? You mean to tell me the Vikings only want the stadium done so they can make more money?

No way Ben. Getting the Vikings stadium built is all about bettering the fan experience, creating jobs/stimulating the economy and giving Minnesotans something to be proud of.

/sarcasm

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 231

Phew!!!! For a moment there I thought you were sharing a beverage with Beta.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 3:57 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 232

Predictions! Ok time to put the hammer down! We have to go at least 6-3 or better on this 9 game homestand!!!!Anything less not acceptable. Should be a gas tommorow afternoon. Lets keep those few true blue brew crew fans quite! Lets hope GO GO sings at those pitches in the dirt! Thank God we play in the hapless central!

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 4:13 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 233

A coworker friend has tickets behind home plate (section 117) for Saturday's game. I'm very jealous. ;-)

Twins need to play better baseball than they've played on this last roadtrip, that's for sure!

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM by F_T_K Highlight this comment 234

mike - it was an MPR (minnesota public radio) poll. that is about as pathetically bleeding heart liberal-i hate all sports-i only think pop can artists and dedicated bike lanes on main arterial roads should get state funding as it gets. personally, i put about 0.000001% degrees of confidence in a poll from an organization like MPR. just like i wouldn't put any degree of confidence in a poll from an outlet fox news. public radio & fox news.....about as fringe as it gets....neither is the viewpoint or mouthpiece of the moderate majority in minnesota.

buffalo - larry pogemiller (dfl senate majority leader) has already come out in the last day or two and basically said that the state needs to actively help in getting a new stadium solution figured next year out to make sure that we keep the vikings in minnesota. as a packer fan living in minnesota i know that probably irks you in some way........but oh well. when someone as DFL as larry pogemiller comes out and essentially says that something needs to get done....it will get done next session....even if lunatic fringe weirdos like sen. john marty don't want it to.

p.s. did someone else here say something? all i heard was some static.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 235

Beta ---

Sip slooooooooooooooooooooowly. And --- don't forget to take your meds.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 6:45 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 236

Why would Packer fans in Minnesota be irked by a tax plan intended to build a new stadium for the Vikings? People on both sides of the rivalry would hate to see it end by one of the teams moving to someplace like LA.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 7:18 PM by Dr. X Highlight this comment 237

Packer fans aren't bright enough to realize the impact on their team. Cheese curds and Blatz on a daily basis will do that to you.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 8:42 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 238

Apparently, all the Twins needed was to come back home.
I wonder if MLB would allow the Twins to play all 162 games at home next season? We play better here than on the road.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 9:14 PM by luke Highlight this comment 239

wow........i know i said that the twins needed to come out tonight and tea-bag the little b!tch a$$ brewers from cheese-d!que land. but my goodness....this is a tea bag, dirty sanchez and donkey punch session all in one.

in your face milwaukee and FU weeeskonsin!

:-)

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 9:39 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 240

ben - aren't you due back in the mental ward at the minneapolis VA hospital by now? how long of a leave has this one been? go think up another pea brained twins ownership secretly trying to screw over the fans theory and then come back and report to us what it is.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 9:43 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 241

Within the past couple hours both LaVelle E. Neal and Kelly Thesier have tweeted that Kramarczuk's has opened a second stand on the concourse at Target Field. I think they mean a second one on the MAIN concourse, because aren't there 2 already? Which would make it 3 overall. Anybody there tonight to confirm this?

Great start to a long homestand for the Twins tonight!

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 10:08 PM by amputechture Highlight this comment 242

Yes, there was another Kramarczuk's stand on the main concourse right near Gate 14 on the first base side. I entered at 6:30 and the line was only 4 deep.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 11:05 PM by FD Highlight this comment 243

Beta ---

I will defer to you in any matter requiring a pea brain - you are much better equipped.

Posted on May 21, 2010 at 11:47 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 244

Anyone get pictures of the hops on the topiaries? How tall are they (the hops)?

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 07:36 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 245

4-5 ft...They look great..

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 08:08 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 246

The corner that Ahern's will occupy was intended to be something else. When that building was constructed, there were initially some banners touting the arrival of a baseball themed sports bar. Eventually those banners vanished and the aforementioned sports bar never appeared. Now they're finally getting something going. That rooftop patio could be a real hit although downtown isn't exactly hurting for Irish bars right now and it's inevitable that one of them will be rebranded or fail altogether.

Ahern's website claims it has 14,000 square feet, which is enormous by restaurant standards. The family also appears to have no previous bar/restaurant ownership experience, because their bios make no claims of that sort and you'd guess that they'd be putting any such experience front and center. These two factors are HUGE warning signs that this is going to end in disaster.

I'm curious about how they'll fare in that location. With so many fans exiting on the gate 34/gate 29/gate 14 side of the park and the layout of the park on the land, huge portions of fans won't be walking past Ahern's at all.

By the way, Ahern's website is a riot. They're already referring to their rooftop as "legendary" when the bar hasn't even opened for business yet. The site also tries to claim some street cred off an uncle who they call one of the greats of his day, but who Baseball-Reference shows as having played 3 games in the Majors.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 11:56 AM by Jorge Highlight this comment 247

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Posted on May 22, 2010 at 12:43 PM by tcmark Highlight this comment 248

I have 2 tickets for today in section 114, row 7, seats 1-2 for face value plus fees, $65 per ticket. Girlfriend doesn't want to go anymore. Email me with this link to arrange to pick them up.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 12:48 PM by tcmark Highlight this comment 249

Maybe the Twins should consider bring up a "new" kid from the minors every week or so - seems to be working out pretty well so far. Let's hope they didn't use up all their mojo last night.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 250

Guess the two teams that played in this game last night: total of three runs scored and 12 hits. Time of game? 3:19!

K

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 251

Largest crowd and longest game of the season today. Best five hours I have spent all week.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 10:01 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 252

Why are there so few tickets for purchase on TC Traders. I swear it's like me and 3 other guys, and I've still yet to receive an offer.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 10:49 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 253

Today's game was a bit tighter but I couldn't help sharing this...


Also note, I believe at the top of the innings column the gentleman marked that he had a sandwich just after the 3rd inning.

For a larger version, click my name. I'm not sure that link will entirely work, so if you can't see it, let me know and I will add a different one.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 10:53 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 254

Hebrew, I'm not going to buy tickets from TCTraders when the majority of the tickets on there are above face value. I can find better deals elsewhere.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 10:54 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 255

I am not so sure that worked since most of you aren't Flickr users, so here is the alternate "larger" link anyway. Clicky.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 11:07 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 256

I think it's wrong to dismiss the poll on the Vikings stadium just because it came from MPR and the Humphrey Institute. I agree you would have to see the way the questions were worded to truly gauge it, but I think it's way to easy to jump to conclusions based off who conducted the poll.

I'm also getting sick and tired of people assuming I'm against a new stadium for the Vikings just because I'm a Packer fan. I kinda get sick of Vikings fans acting all high and mighty when I've been to a game at the Metrodome and seen how wasted and stupid Vikings fans can be too. Denial is a funny thing.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 11:44 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 257

Had a fun time at TF today! I love how friendly people are at TF. Had pleasant chats with more excited first time visitors and other STH. It seemed Brewer fans were louder than Twins fans (at least by the flag poles). Looking forward to watching the condensed game on the MLB At Bat app.

Learned three new things today:
StandIng room only tickets are $25 at the ticket windows (do not know how many they make available).

STH can just show their member card to get into Met club.

And free soda refills in Met club.

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 11:51 PM by Buzz Highlight this comment 258

Anybody know the name of the new Twins intro song? Like the one before they go on the field that Morneau always leads the field on at the end

Posted on May 22, 2010 at 11:54 PM by BB Highlight this comment 259

I was disappointed to read about section S a few posts up. Being from northern Minnesota, work, etc we will only get to one game this season. Our tickets are in section S, row 10, seats 4 and 5. So, there is a chance we wont see home plate and will be viewing a railing all night? Great!

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 12:02 AM by James1979 Highlight this comment 260

My scorecard always includes the list of what I bought/ate, though really just to keep track of what I've spent. I don't track when I eat, but I do track when I change seats and where I've been watching from.

As for tickets, a lot have changed hands through TC Traders. As I write, there are 11 people with active listings (132 total tickets available). There are still tickets out there for tomorrow and Tuesday at quite reasonable -- that is, market value -- prices.

In watching tickets across a variety of sources, I think that TC Traders members have been quite fair in their pricing. I'm not seeing any gouging, though I'm also not seeing people take less than they are asking. But why should they?

And they do appear to be giving discounts based on the lack of fees. That alone is worth something.

I'm a little disappointed that we haven't really seen any trades. I didn't know exactly what to expect, but that's sort of where the idea came from in the first place. In the long run, it may work that way, but right now we're in some relatively unfamiliar territory.

Frankly, I think we're in a period of sticker shock. I think there are a bunch of folks (me included) who are essentially priced out right now, and I do think that's affecting TC Traders.

Inventories everywhere are rapidly shrinking. People are either holding and using their tickets, or they are holding out for the big payoff -- and they are getting it. And since TC Traders wasn't really calibrated to provide big payoffs (though it certainly can), other markets may look more attractive right now. I know that some of the traders here are listing out of good will for BallparkMagic fans, but when the big money calls, what are you going to do?

Supply has gone down, demand has risen. Prices are way up, but tickets are still selling very briskly. It's quite common, as you probably know, to see listings out there at two or three times the face value, especially for tickets in the typically more affordable parts of the stadium (View levels especially). And such tickets still get snapped up -- they are generally gone the next time you check.

Tickets are selling so quickly, and at such inflated prices, that it's pretty easy to flip them elsewhere. When you're doubling or tripling your money, maybe the fees aren't that big a deal.

I'm spending a lot of time on upgrades and design tweaks, which I hope to roll out in the next week or so. I'm also working on a strategic partnership which will provide additional inventory to members when the regular ticket inventory is low. (Check your email on that one.)

Of course, tell me what you think. (I know you will.)

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 01:03 AM by Rick 261

I bought tickets this past week for todays game on TCT. It'll be great 'cause I get to see some sweep action over the Brewers!

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 07:14 AM by luke Highlight this comment 262

I would appreciate a "trade only" option on the TCT form. I have seen seven regular season games from four different locations. So far I have done that by buying extra tickets over and above my 20 game package. The option to trade my existing season tickets for ones in other locations (paying the difference in face value) would be an attractive option for me, but I cannot figure a way to do that with the current system. I have only used it to sell (weekday day game) tickets I am unable to use.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 08:30 AM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 263

I originally planned to trade some of my field view for skyline view tickets. Or trade three of mine for one of someone's home plate terrace tickets. Or sell them for big money and finally be happy! But now I find it difficult to miss any games! I planned on selling my pair for yesterday since they were going for $60 on SH. But then I decided it was cool that I got to go for $10 when others would pay much more. Then at 11:00, my wife decided not to go and my neighbor had plans, so I sold a single in SH for $40 in 20 minutes. I felt like I was ripping them off, the buyer must have thought it was a deal (I listed them below all other single seats) and we both saw a great game. It is the most fun to sell tickets to friends for $10.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 08:40 AM by Buzz Highlight this comment 264

Heading down in a couple of hours. We have not seen the Twins lose yet (knock wood).

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 09:12 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 265

Glowing (though not very detailed) review of Target Field from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. Always interesting to get the out-of-town perspective; all such reviews seem to have been positive thus far.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 09:31 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 266

So, you catch the first home run to reach TF's third deck and what do you do?

Do you keep it? Cherish it? Get it autographed?

No, I guess you throw it back. Rude. Stupid.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 2:14 PM by Rick 267

Wow. I saw the home run but didn't see them throw it back. I just don't get it, but I would have to resist not only the crowd but my family if I was in that situation. They seem to think it's a cool thing to do. We have friendly debates over it. I noticed the prior discussion about trading on TC Traders. I think I will post some tickets for Tuesday's game. I would consider trades, maybe 4 mediocre tickets for this game for 2 good ones to another game. I will check stubhub and try to put a lower price or match the low price of same location, i.e., the price before commission is deducted.
Also, I was at the game saturday and saw a guy with a shirt that said "Hebrew Hammer" on it. Could it be "our" Hebrew Hammer, or is that a term I should know about where others might be using it?

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 2:48 PM by robin Highlight this comment 268

Man, Harris sucks.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM by twins2010wschamps Highlight this comment 269

Harris is garbage

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 270

i am going to take my chainsaw and go find the annoying stand of cottonwood trees near the ballpark. plant something else in their place.

the cottonwood......absolutely the worst tree God ever created! ;-)

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 3:46 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 271

Notes to Gardy:

1. Play Mauer every day. That is what he is paid for.
2. Harris and Punto are AAA players in disguise.
3. Can we possibly get a few .280-.290 sticks to hit after Morneau in the 5-9 spots? Morneau may lead the league in walks unless that changes.

I never thought I'd be keeping such close tabs on the return of JJ Hardy.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 4:10 PM by twins2010wschamps Highlight this comment 272

gotta love these pathetic "give away" game lineups that annoyingly stubborn gardenhire loves to put together. a bunch of scrubs up today in every game changing situation. bases loaded in the fifth with no outs and the scrubs can't even get a single frickin' run in. we have a guy with 3 days of major league service at bat with bases loaded in the ninth, two out and the winning run on second. that is almost always a winning proposition isn't it?! j.j. hardy has a little boo boo with his wrist that he can't suck it up and get over. punto has a little boo boo with his finger, so let's give him a day off he probably doesn't really need either.

yeah, gardenhire keep giving starters days off that they don't really need (especially when you HAVE A DAY OFF TOMORROW!!!) and keep putting butera, casilla, harris, et. all out there. they will get the job done for you about once every 50 at bats. then you can go ahead and lose games to horrible teams like the pathetic brewers.

but hey at least you (gardenhire) can put a "ey" at the end of all these scrubs names when you give us another play for play run down of a game we just watched instead of saying anything even remotely intriguing.

gardenhire.....a manager who often finds ways to outsmart himself by being "cute" with his lineup and pitching choices. ron mahay instead of jon rausch in the ninth yesterday when you are up just 6-2??. how'd that work out for you gardenhire?! point is: STOP giving away games to lesser teams like the brewers by throwing punk lineups out there to give guys making millions of dollars another day of rest they often don't need.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 4:17 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 273

p.s. forgot one thing. gardenhire........STOP playing kubel in place of delmond young so much. it seems the guy you don't really like on a personal level is a BETTER EVERYDAY PLAYER AND HITTER than one of "your" guys. i know you can't stand that, but deal with it and put young in the left field spot from now on.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 274

I hate to say this...but we have 2 great players, 2 pretty good players (Span/Hudson), and a bunch of AAA/Royals on this team. Somebody needs to step up. If Mauer or Morneau go down for an extended period, we're screwed. I think Cuddy is hitting somewhere around .210 since late April.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 4:24 PM by twins2010wschamps Highlight this comment 275

maybe, maybe, just possibly, take two from the yanks?
maybe not, but anyway, cheapest field terrace on stubhub is $35 for WC, plus commission/fee. If anyone's interested, there are some on Trader for $32. Flexible on quantity, trade, maybe even price.
I think $27 is cheapest for any location on stubhub last I checked.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 4:34 PM by robin Highlight this comment 276

p.p.s. congrats to the minnesota golden gophers on their big ten baseball regular season championship over the weekend! nice work boys!

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 277

Wow Beta your starting to sound like me. I love when Gardy throws out his guaranteed loss lineup. Tell Mauer to man up and earn his salary and catch or at least DH. His bat needs to be in the lineup everyday.Isn't there an off day tommrrow. These players today are such panzies compared to 30 years ago. Morneau is in the lineup everyday. Its time to do something about the 3rd base problem, call up Valancia, it least give him a chance, if it doesnt work it can't be much worse than what we have going now.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM by firedog Highlight this comment 278

firedog - the key thing to note though is that it is often not the player asking to sit. based on things i have read and heard from various minneapolis beat reporters, it is actually gardenhire (and perhaps he is getting a push from the front office to do it.....but who really knows) telling guys like mauer, morneau that they ARE GOING TO SIT.....even if the players themselves don't feel the physical need to sit out.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 6:09 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 279

it certainly was a nice, warm, May day at the ballpark.
Wish we could have won! I'm 0-3 so far at TF.
If only I had been there yesterday...lol.
Click my name for another round of pictures. This time from Section S.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 6:51 PM by luke Highlight this comment 280

Was at the game today and very disappointed in the Twins' efforts.

Mauer should have been in that lineup today, even if he had to DH. Worst case scenario, at least DH Thome rather than Kubel if you are so inclined on giving Mauer a day off when there is a scheduled day off tomorrow. Mauer needs that day off but yet Gardy puts him in as a pinch hitter in the 8th inning?? Why not just DH him for the day than??

These Sunday games and "getaway" games are becoming big jokes. Why try to win three of three when we have already won 2 of 3?? We don't want to sweep, we are happy with 2 of 3...than we wonder why we need a game 163 in two consecutive years??

The biggest disappointment today was the FOURTEEN runners left on base. Poor at-bats, lack of discipline and lack of interest all seemed to be evident today.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 8:27 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 281

To those that sell tickets, you will not like my comment, but those of you that purchase will benefit. If you are able to wait to go into TF, you can easily see very fair prices on tickets.

I was able to find tix on the street today for under $80/pair behind home plate in the lower level. Similar tickets had a going rate of $100/ticket just a couple hours prior.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 9:23 PM by tk Highlight this comment 282

tk - congrats to you and thanks for the info. i am sure people appreciate it. but to be fair what you described is not anything unique to target field or really any ticketed event around the country (sports, concerts, etc.)

as you said, if one is basically wiling to wait until around the 2nd inning or just after a concert has started, you can "usually" find a decent price for decent tickets from scalpers who don't want to be left holding inventory that will be worth nothing. that is how "the ticket buying game" has always operated.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 10:56 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 283

from luke's pictures it looks like the grass area in front of the "gold glove" on target plaza is just getting trampled into oblivion. perhaps they will tear it up and just put some decorative stone or field clay there instead. grass is never going to keep with that much foot traffic on it.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 10:59 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 284

I agree. Even though I like to sell my extras, I always tell people they may do better by waiting. If they are willing to take the risk of maybe getting shut out or paying more than expected, and the very small risk of buying invalid tickets, they have an excellent chance of getting in at a good price, and it adds a little variety and element of surprise as part of the whole experience. I do that myself when I don't have my tickets. But as beta said, no surprise there. I sometimes pay more in advance than I know I would have if I waited, if I'm going to a new venue, or even here if I am with people who are uncomfortable with not knowing for sure in advance where they will sit and what the price will be.

Posted on May 23, 2010 at 11:16 PM by robin Highlight this comment 285

On the Uni Watch blog today there's a discussion about Toronto and Montreal's original ballparks, Jarry Park and Exhibition Stadium. Interesting read (see link).

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 08:16 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 286

Ok now 3-3 after Saturdays 5 hour marathon win. Parked for free along 5th street again loaded up on the dogs at the holiday gas station along with my rum and peanuts. Place was jammed as I read on some earlier posts they must have sold a ton of standing room tickets to those brew crew fans. Stood behind home plate on level 1 for a couple of innings. Saw the meltdown by Herman Munster in the 9th as the brew crew fans jumping for joy. Moved right next to 1st base sec 108 row 2 as many fans left after the 9th inning. Wow some great seats down there. Wanted to get closer but the ushers where still checking tickets. Had the last laugh on the brewer fans as we pulled it out finally in the bottom of the 12th!!! I hear we left 39 runners on over the 3 game series! We gotta do better than that. Bombers will come in a little testy tuesday as they lost 2 out of 3 to the Mets! Would like to see us take 2 out of 3! A bomber sweep will send me into full meltown mode! Will be there thursday night!!!!!! Anybody know how many standing room tickets they sold over the weekend? And just how much are those tickets???

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 08:54 AM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 287

Posted a single for Wed night in the club level. $65. That is essentially face value on the LC level, since it's what the Twins would sell to the "members" for. The ticket says $55, which was my cost.

Looking to finalize the deal in advance if possible.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 10:37 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 288

The free/cheap meter parking north of Washington/2nd Ave N is pretty much done. The city changed the meters from 8am-6pm M-F to 8am-10pm M-Sun this past weekend, basically tying this small North Loop niche into the downtown core, parking wise at least.

I realize they did it because of TF, but it pretty much screws over the residents of the neighborhood the other 275+ days of the year that aren't game days, and especially screws over those residents that don't currently have a parking space.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 12:18 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 289

I'm still fuming about the Mauer benching yesterday. That shows great incompetence in my opinion. Managers are no-factors in general, so the best ones tend to lay low and not interfere with stuff and let the talent do the talking. Then, there's Gardy. I think he has convinced himself that he has quality utility guys and that he can pick his poison to inflict on the competition. I can already see him in Game 7 of the ALCS against the Yankees, giving the kid Harris the start, but having "Kubey" behind him for proper protection, as he would be convinced that the Bronx Bombers might be tempted to pitch around Harris.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 1:28 PM by twinswschamps2010 Highlight this comment 290

Bummer Chad. Lets hope they don't do the same for 5th Street N! A little like the Ghetto down there but easy in and out for free!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 1:29 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 291

Some of you really need to get over the "throwing the HR ball back." I mean, seriously. While you can argue it disrespects players (which I don't buy), others can argue it adds something to the ballpark experience (which you won't buy). In the end, does it matter?

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 1:32 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 292

Twinkfan,

I read a proposal that they were going to put meters back in that area to "alleviate the problem of long-term parking"(meaning people that live in one of those buildings, have a car, but rarely move it), but I didn't read a definite date on that.

If you travel west on 2nd St N, past Moose and Sadie's and over the railroad bridge, the meters directly on the other side of the bridge are still 9-6(M-F), but who knows when or if they'll be changed, too.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 1:42 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 293

I'm the one who is keeping that particular discussion alive because the practice of throwing anything -- balls, batteries, pennies -- or, in the immortal words of Bob Casey, "anybody" onto the field disrespects the game.

You don't have to listen to me. Just watch the Twins players when it happens.

There's one thing every coach on every team in history has tried to teach the players: You must respect the game. It's bigger than you.

Same goes for the fans. (Same goes for life in general, but that's a discussion for another day.)

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 1:43 PM by Rick 294

Not sure if this was posted but they are now officially selling SRO tickets at TF.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 295

If Mauer starts yesterday, we most likely win. The over-protective manner in which Joe is used is B.S., even more so when the Twins are off the following day.

It baffles me why the local media doesn't put Gardy's feet to the fire -- just once! Childress would LOVE to have the fawning over that Gardy gets on a daily basis. It's like Jacques LeMaire all over again.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 296

Interesting artcile by Lavelle Neal III in the Red Star today. Twins Might be 10 games up if we hit with runners in scoring position! Batting .169 now with bases loaded dead last in baseball. Fact is in 44 games they have had 65 at bats with bases loaded. The league average for hitting with bases loaded in .298 by the way. We also lead the league in runners LOB. Lead the leaugue in grounding into double plays! Cuddy with 12 and Mauer 9! Morneau yet to hit into a DP! We turn these around and we dominate!!!! For Crying out Loud!!!!!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 3:08 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 297

Coomdog how much is standing room and how many can they sell up to? Any idea? Boy I was shocked at how many were standing Saturday! Could they have sold 2000 of those? All the brew crew fans must have bought a ton of those!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 3:14 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 298

It says they only sold 200 of them. I looked on the Twins ticket site but I couldn't find any for sale.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM by CoomDawg Highlight this comment 299

Word up. Lack of production with RISP has hurt. Which makes that 26 - 18 first place standing even more remarkable. Cuddy was brushing off a question about how many they left on yesterday with a "that's just the game" type of answer. I agreed with his point that there are going to be ups and downs and things even out over 162 games, you're not going hit 1.000 in those situations. But I think we've only been down this year and he didn't acknowledge that. Gardy in his interview at least said he was disappointed which is like Congress writing a strongly worded letter to the CIA saying they're disappointed in agents torturing someone.
I mean given the record they have it's not like they need to hit .600 with RISP. Just getting to the league average they could do a lot of damage.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 3:28 PM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 300

Coom yes I see shooter wrote about that in the ST Paul paper. 200 seems kinda small. I went on twins website and could not see where you could buy any SRO tickets also. Gonna be a zoo down there wed night with the motivational speakers in town all day. Good luck parking that night. Even my secret spot might be in jeopardy that night!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 3:37 PM by TwinkFan Highlight this comment 301

Harris has no confidence up at the plate. I want to see some emotion or frustration from him.

Kubel is completely clueless right now. You can see the confusion in his swing. Guessing at pitches and swinging regardless of where the pitch is. Why isn't Thome DHing?

Punto does not deserve to be hitting in this line up. His whiplash, half arm chop swing will never get it done in the big leagues.

Cuddy just needs to have better at bats. It seems like if its not down the middle he doesn't have a chance. Plus he's horrible at protecting the plate!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 3:39 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 302

Repost of a previous question - hopefully someone might know the answer...

Tickets for the opening series were put back on sale on the Twins website, because the Sox couldn't/didn't sell them.

My question is: If a visiting team doesn't sell the tickets allotted for them, when do they have to return them by? 2 weeks before the series starts? 1 week?

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 4:01 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 303

For what it's worth I overheard someone walk up to a ticket window (Gate 14's was dead BTW, as is everything else about gate 14, which is great) asking for four tickets Sunday about 25 minutes before first pitch and they were offered SRO.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 4:16 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 304

"standing-room-only seats" ??????????????????????????????????????

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 4:27 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 305

I tried the cheeseburger basket yesterday at the game. Best 9 bucks to spend at TF.

And, really, I don't understand what the big deal was about that seat in Section S. My buddy sat there (he's 6' 3) and I sat there (I'm 5' 11) and we both could see home plate perfectly. Standing behind that seat causes a problem, but we had no problem viewing home plate sitting there (JFTR, we did NOT have tickets in that seat in row 14, but we checked it out, just for the fun of it).

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 4:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 306

What's the over/under for the number of exclamation points TwinkFan has in an average post? Four or five?

Just tweaking you there Twink, it's just that you're so enthusisastic! About! Everything!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 4:47 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 307

Bowing to the inexorable law of supply and demand, I have changed the price of tomorrow's tickets to $27, which would be the price at ticket window and as low as anything on stubhub. Section 201 row 2, six tickets, will sell for $25 if cash and convenient pickup/delivery. Any quantity from 1 to 6, and trades considered. Especially trades for good seats thursday. I won't be checking much if at all tomorrow so I may delete the posting late tonight or early in the morning.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 4:49 PM by robin Highlight this comment 308

luke,

Your section S pics helped ease my mind a bit. Thanks for posting them.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 5:48 PM by James1979 Highlight this comment 309

i will take the "over" FBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am very enthusiastic about my response.....in case you couldn't tell!!!!!!!!

;-)

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 310

Sure thing James. Actually, I think I'm amiss, because the paper said the seat in question was Seat 1 in Row 13, and I believe that pic was from row 14. But, if the plate can be seen from 14, certainly from row 13 you can see the plate.

I suppose though, the paper told the story because, you never know who might be sitting in that seat, and it's just a "buyer beware" sort of thing. Possibly for shorter folks, it could be an issue...I don't know.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 6:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 311

Still 2,000 tickets for sale on Stubhub for tomorrow's game. Will be $15 a ticket on Stubhub by tomorrow at 3pm.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM by tom Highlight this comment 312

What? Nobody has complained about the HEAT yet?

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 8:21 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 313

Complain? This is my kind of weather!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 9:06 PM by Jorge Highlight this comment 314

I was just thinking this morning, everyone (yes, including me for a while there) complained about April and May at TF. But, in two months, only one rainout.
Yesterday was the best: a little sun, a little pre-game rain and sweltering heat by game's end.

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM by luke Highlight this comment 315

Please clicky and join the Facebook group to raise awareness for voting for Justin. Teixeira should NOT be winning this vote... ugh. thank you, and go to VOTE AT MLB DOT COM!!

Posted on May 24, 2010 at 10:29 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 316

Now that the Rangers have gone bankrupt, when they come to TF in the next couple weeks, will that be the last time we see them play?

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 06:51 AM by luke Highlight this comment 317

Was at the game Sunday...it was hot, humid and sticky in our seats...and I loved every minute of it. Outdoor baseball is the only way to go no matter what the conditions are.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 08:10 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 318

I picked my seats in the shade because I love the cold more than the hot...though the hot doesn't bother me. It'll be nice when I am out there when it's humid, so far I haven't been.

I'd join Jax, but I'm not on Facebook and never want to be. I do agree that it's ridiculous. Morneau is the best hitter in all of baseball right now and Tex shouldn't be winning. That's stupid Yanks fans for you though. I don't vote based on team, I vote based on who deserves it.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 08:39 AM by AJ Highlight this comment 319

Luke, bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean a business is going away. If it did, GM and Chrysler wouldn't still be selling cars today. It's often just a way for companies to reorganize their debt and come out with a better chance of succeeding. So, no, the Rangers aren't going anywhere.

Posted on May 25, 2010 at 09:10 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 320


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A mysterious smile from within a very deep planter!












This is what I was working on while my photo was taken (click to see a VERY BIG version).






Ye Olde Tyme Vegetable Cart (and its modern cousin)



Bird's-eye view of the trees



Concept drawing of Coomer gate (click to enlarge)









Legends Club seats in context (above the main concourse, below the suite level)



The seating bowl of Citizens Bank Park overlaid on the Target Field site



I'm too short to see over that wall. How about a little platform or something?



You write the caption...



They help create a psychological safe area along the plaza edge, and help you forget that cars are zipping by directly beneath you.












Detroit got this part right!



Photo by Jeff Ewer



Gate 6 is quite large



The Target Field grass, it turns out, will be green. (This is a photo representing the concept of grass only. The actual Target Field grass apparently will not contain dirt patches, weeds, or dandelions. Imagine that -- if you can!)



This is the start of construction on the Northstar platform which will feed under the bridge and to a lobby with escalators and elevators just inside the ballpark's public concourse. Compared to the ballpark construction, this looks kind of puny. But the work just to get the trains to come has been positively Herculean. Future generations will look back at this with awe.



Serious home dugout work in progress.









A closer look into the park from down the street. How great will this view be during a game??



Note that, even though the scoreboard appears strategically placed, it's the outfield stands which block any potential view of the field from this roof.



This was on BPM night. Nice neon, but I'm still waiting to see the homer show.



Branding on the plaza



New Year's Eve, 2008



Stairs down to Seventh Street now have the start of railings



Section 237, Row 15 (top of the Trap)



Home Run Porch Terrace









Looking across the top of the B parking ramp. Notice that signage will block any attempts at seeing the game from up there. Also take note of the glassed in area which is part club and part office space for the Ballpark Authority.



Open concourses do mean that you can glimpse the field no matter where you are, but not really the game.



(Click to enlarge.)



Nathan greeting the other pitchers on the all-Metrodome team (October 4, 2009)






Speakers spaced evenly among the lights






Looking across the top of the B parking ramp. Notice that signage will block any attempts at seeing the game from up there. Also take note of the glassed in area which is part club and part office space for the Ballpark Authority.



Locations for ticket machines near the Hrbek outdoor plaza



This is the trapezoid (for lack of a better name) in right center. Be sure to notice section of seats just below the pavilion and above the fence (which I hadn't noticed before). For those who are interested, what looks like an old-style scoreboard is in fact a high-def video board which will look, at times, like an old-fashioned scoreboard.



Twins president Dave St. Peter presents his list of fan suggestions to the Ballpark Authority






The media all turned out!


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BPM - Ballpark Magic

BRT - Bus Rapid Transit

DSP - Dave St. Peter

FSE - Full Season Equivalent

FYS - Fake Yankee Stadium (see also: NYS)

HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

MSFC - Minnesota Sports Facilities Commission (owns the Metrodome)

NYS - New Yankee Stadium

SRO - Standing Room Only

STH - Season Ticket Holder

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