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The Concourse, Of Course

November 27, 2008 3:14 AM

The tour continues with a few shots of various concourses. Admittedly, these are not the most exciting photos of Target Field, but I know some of you will be interested to see them. (Don't forget that we started this tour with shots from the View Level.)

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The main concourse.


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The view out Gate 6 "Oliva".


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Directly above gate 6 "Oliva" on the Club level.


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Main concourse, looking toward the admin building.


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Main concourse, looking south toward the area behind home plate.


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This is the view from the Seventh Street circulation ramp. It will eventually be covered by the wood louvers.

That photo reminds me that I learned there will be a "sky bridge" from the A ramp (at right in this picture) to the ballpark which would be visible in that view. This was in the site plan from the very beginning, but for a while they were unsure how or if it would be funded. That's been solved. (I'd give you the details, but I must admit that my eyes sort of glaze over when governmental entities start splitting costs like a team of competing hair surgeons moving individual follicles from one place to another.)

The bridge will extend from the right side of the elevator lobby (the area closest to the camera in the above view) at about the third level of parking, to a new entrance just above and to the left of the Pro Shop.

The Twins have also made a deal with the city to have some of their parking needs shifted to this ramp, in an area that will be exclusive to the team. This was necessary given the limitations of space in the surface lot below.

Such street crossings are called "skyways" when they are fully enclosed and climate-controlled. This "sky bridge", on the other hand, will have a roof, but will just be open to the air. At least that's the current plan.

Either way, it's a great connection to make as it will further ease congestion as people head out after games.

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The main concourse is a very busy place at all times.

Here's some video I shot at the very end of our tour. This shows us walking up the main concourse, then turning toward the circulation ramp. It's a route you may walk one day at the end of a game:

Even at this early date, it's possible to get a sense for what it will be like to walk these during a game. I keep expecting the sense of scale to change as the construction continues and the building gets bigger. But something about the design of this place makes everything feel very close together. It really feels like you could have a conversation from just about anywhere in the park with those steel workers all the way out in center field:

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Finally, here's a little something I learned on the tour that you won't find reported anywhere else. Look at this window:

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It's visible on the Seventh Street facade just to the left of the circulation ramp, toward the top, and it is actually a shoulder-level window looking out of a men's restroom!

I have just a few photos remaining from the tour: admin building, circulation building and steel.

Since Last Time

Just FYI, since my last post I had to put the finishing touches on the 2009 Ballpark Construction Calendar and get it off to press. That's been accomplished, and I think you're going to love it! Here's a sample photo that I took on my recent tour which will grace the September page of the calendar:

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Here's a sneak preview of all 12 images:

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I was able to include the Twins' tentative schedule for next year, as well as a quick fun fact about the ballpark on each month (close readers of this site probably won't learn anything new, but the casual observers may).

These are going to make great stocking stuffers but, based on demand so far, they will probably sell out pretty quickly. (You may have noticed that I forgot to raise the price recently. Oops! You better check it out and place your order quick before I remember...)

Thanks for stopping by today. Be sure to tell your friends where you get your ballpark info!

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Thanks for the pictures Rick. Hope your little one let you get some sleep last night...

The concourse is a HUGE improvement over the dome... It will be a great asset to be able to walk around and still see the field.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 07:12 AM by David_Mpls Highlight this comment 1

thanks!!!

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 09:40 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 2

Twins Suck!

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 10:14 AM by Frank Highlight this comment 3

Frank sucks!

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM by Frank sucks Highlight this comment 4

If you dont like the twins then get out of Minnesota!

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 11:18 AM by trent Highlight this comment 5

Frank, by association, must be a Brewers fan.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 11:59 AM by luke Highlight this comment 6

I also can't click on the link to get the calendar for some reason.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM by luke Highlight this comment 7

How the hell do you find this website if you hate the Twins? Dumbass

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 12:14 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 8

Has there been any nighttime pictures of the stadium yet?

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM by jb Highlight this comment 9

you can check the webcams after about 7pm. they're live webcams, so you'll get nighttime photos.
i was driving home on Friday afternoon going westbound on 94, just past the Lowry Hill Disaster, and look off to the right, the ballpark comes into plain view. now, that will be a cool picture at night come 2010. the light towers, the scoreboard...it'll really look nice i think.
that part of downtown is so dark at night anyway. so, i think it'll look great to have the ballpark light it up a bit.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 6:25 PM by luke Highlight this comment 10

and by the by, is it just me, or do those concourses not look much wider than the ones at the Dome? of course, Rick was there, so he can vouch for how wide they are, or maybe the pics just make them look smaller than everyone says they are.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 6:31 PM by luke Highlight this comment 11

They certainly look wider than the dome's "tunnel" concourses. But they don't look as wide as many of the new park's concourses. Remember luke, limited space on this site. We still need those places to make food, sell food and to take a leak...Those places take space. Frank takes up space too.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 6:56 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 12

According to team-provided details, the Metrodome concourses are 22 feet wide. The main concourse of Target Field will be from 35 to 40 feet wide (I even find a couple of spots where it's 43 feet wide).

Photos don't really do the width justice yet because there aren't any reference points. If you stick a hot dog cart into one of those photos you'll be able to tell the difference right away.

Personally, I find the Metrodome concourses claustrophobic mostly because they are enclosed on all sides. The Dome would be much more palatable if they simply opened up the concourses to the playing field.

Oh, and take the roof off.

And add some club seats.

And spruce up the suites.

And add some HD scoreboards

And plant grass.

Ah hell, they may as well just build a new one.

Wait a minute.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 7:14 PM by Rick 13

very true Kevin. they are tight for space. it's going to have that Wrigley Field feel to it i think - which will be good. i think we're going to have a nice, neighborhood like ballpark, and not a corporate playpen - a la the Dallas Cowboys new stadium...

what i think would be nice, is if the Dome would put a scoreboard in the south endzone that is a carbon copy of the one on the north endzone. that sole video board over on the south side just looks weird. or if they really wanted to do something cool, take out the old-school, white light scoreboards (both the main and out of town) and replace them with Daktronics model HD screens.

maybe once the Vikings take over the place after next season, they'll do that. I made a suggestion to Dennis Alfton of the Sports Facilities Commission, that once the Twins are out, the Vikings should turn the dugouts into field-level party suites, like the Ticket Exchange Touchdown Club (above section 114-115) and the one above sections 138-139.

then of course, the Vikings could also gut out the baseball pressbox above section 125 and make a large party suite out of that too...

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 9:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 14

Yeah that would be cool if the Vikes used those dugouts for suits.

Haha yeah Kev, Frank definitely is taking up space.

Posted on November 27, 2008 at 9:43 PM by Matt Highlight this comment 15

I can't imagine they'll do too much for the Vikings after the Twins leave, seeing as how their lease is up after the 2011 season.

They should leave the baseball field at the dome the way it is so they can still play collegiate games in March and April.

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 12:32 AM by haasertime Highlight this comment 16

"once the Vikings take over"

umm i was under the impression that the vikings have "taken over" as of 1982... this is there house twins were just sqatting....

they wont change much like hassertime said the gophers use it and also teams rent it for games...

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 07:52 AM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 17

luke - I sure hope the Vikings don't "take over" the baseball pressbox after next season for a party suite, as that's where they put non-essential/overflow media (i.e., folks like me from out-state) when I come down for games. That place is packed for Vikes games, and I can't imagine where else they'd put us...

And, as to the baseball dug-outs, I can't imagine anyone wanting to use those for a Viking game either. There are so many people on the sidelines (have you ever been on the sidelines during a game?) that anyone in the dug-out wouldn't see a thing...

A better scoreboard is a decent idea, but the Vikes just need a better stadium.

Moose

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 08:39 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 18

The Vikes need a better coach and QB before they need a better stadium.

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 10:39 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 19

yeah, you're true Moose. with all the coaches and stuff, it would be pretty tough to see...not only that, but the dugouts arent at field level either, there's steps going down...
Alfton told me that it was a "neat idea" but that the baseball configuration is going to stay for use by the amateur teams that use the Dome...or the Gophers, whose season starts in February. Cant see TF being used in February.

mazatratirick, you know what i mean. the Vikings could easily do alot of stuff to make the Dome football-specific. but, they cant because it would screw up the baseball configuration. once the twins leave, the Vikes can do whatever they want to the Damn Dome.

oh yeah, another suggestion I gave to Alfton, which also wouldn't be possible, was to take those God-awful temporary seats out, and make that whole section a permanent seating fixture. no can do on that one either, they'll still use it for baseball...just not the Twins.

kevin summed it up nicely. they need a better on-field product before a new stadium comes along.

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 1:26 PM by luke Highlight this comment 20

Well they have already done some good things in the last few years to spruce up the dome, the touchdown club was smart but they really killed the "rally room" that place ues to be fun, then they made it season ticket holders only so nobody was in there...

The NFL and the vikings just want a new stadium.. they do not want to renovate the dome... if they get a new stadium I would never be able to afford to go to a game there anyway....

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 1:49 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 21

Yup, just got an email back from Alfton saying the same thing about the baseball config in 2010.

"As of now, the Metrodome will still have collegiate baseball in 2010, both the U of M and small-college. It is hoped that any new Vikings stadium will also include baseball."

I think that's great- it's a cool tradition to have small college baseball in March. Every college team in the midwest plays a couple games there. They play around the clock.

But I can't quite picture the new Vikes stadium with a baseball field.

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 1:57 PM by haasertime Highlight this comment 22

i cant either quite frankly. although, the Superdome in New Orleans can accomodate baseball (there is a configuration for it), as well as Qualcomm in San Diego...i think the shapes of both stadiums make for a very big ball field. i can't imagine baseball at the Superdome...

well, if Alfton hopes that any new Vikes stadium includes baseball, then they might as well just keep the damn Dome, replace the seats, get new scoreboards, and just do things the way they're doing them now...lol.

I don't think the NFL would approve of a new multi-purpose stadium design. they're trying to get away from that and have football-specific stadiums. that latest design by the Vikes, the one that keeps the West sideline seats in tact, and the rest of it new, didnt seem to me that it would accomodate baseball.

and if the MSFC and Dennis Alfton wanted a place to play college ball in February and March, well - should have insisted on the retractable roof for TF, and not settled for anything else huh? of course, the MN Legislature was not going to pony up the cash for a roof. we were lucky to get a ballpark out of them. Pohlad wasn't going to pony up either...

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 2:44 PM by luke Highlight this comment 23

Has any one heard any information on the ballpark seating types that Mr. St. Peter talked about in his previous blog entry. Here is the quote "...the selection of the actual ballpark seating types (November)..."

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 2:45 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 24

hassertime - I know the weather was bad in the TC, but it was worse in Bemidji. Bemidji State had FOUR home games last year (click my name for their schedule and results) due to three ft. of snow in April. Yep, FOUR (nine were canceled, and the series vs. Minn-Crookston was supposed to be a home-and-home, and it ended up moved to the 'Dome), so that was a grand-total of TWO doubleheader dates at home. The 'Dome is likely more importiant for small colleges than even the Twins or Gophers.

As to a new Vikings stadium - just do the same thing as the 'Dome. put an aux pressbox (even a small one) in a corner, and then put in retractable seats on one side...

Moose

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 25

Thanks for the update again Rick! This is a great site. I've been following along now for about the last 6 months and eagerly anticipate each update! Can't wait until April 2010!

Posted on November 28, 2008 at 7:36 PM by Chris Highlight this comment 26

Some additional construction pictures from the Twins website.

Posted on November 29, 2008 at 07:35 AM by Mo Highlight this comment 27

Update construction pics from the Ballpark Authority

Posted on November 29, 2008 at 8:49 PM by Mo Highlight this comment 28

Frank, Why doesn't Iowa have a major league baseball team? If We gave them one we would have to give one to Wisconsin!!!!

Posted on November 29, 2008 at 9:37 PM by dave Highlight this comment 29

luke - Click my name to see how baseball is done in the Superdome.

Posted on November 30, 2008 at 12:48 PM by The Crippler Highlight this comment 30

ya, i've seen that diagram. it looks a bit like the way they did things at Qualcomm Stadium.
i've never seen baseball played at the Superdome though. the Dodgers played at LA Coliseum way back in the day (shortly after moving from Brooklyn). I've seen pics of that - it was wild. they'd get like 90,000 people for a game. from the looks of it, the Superdome might be able to pack them in for a ballgame.

Posted on November 30, 2008 at 2:30 PM by luke Highlight this comment 31

nice work on the countdown clock. i like.

Posted on November 30, 2008 at 8:42 PM by luke Highlight this comment 32

Sorry for random question.

Football players wear captain crests on their jerseys and have 4 stars under the C and some of the stars are highlighted in yellow. Does anyone know what those stars mean and why some are highlighted and some aren't?

Go Vikes!

Posted on November 30, 2008 at 9:13 PM by VikesTwinsWolvesWild Highlight this comment 33

Random rant....

Whoever had the grand idea to change the Vikings jersey a few years ago needs to be fired, chewed out, shot, I don't care. They must go back to the original purple with the striped pants and gray facemasks. The only thing missing tonight was a frozen homefield.

Posted on November 30, 2008 at 10:46 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 34

Yeah those throwbacks are bomb, I wish they would make it a tradition to wear them against every division team. (Packers, Bears, Lions, wear them 3 times a year)

Posted on December 1, 2008 at 12:35 AM by Matt Highlight this comment 35

About baseball in the Superdome, believe it or not the Twins have actually played baseball in the Superdome. I lived in Florida back in '98-'99. And that spring ('99) the Twins played the Cubs in the Superdome (over Easter weekend...for specifics). I made the 4hr hike from Pensacola to watch one game...and a spring training game at that too. Most people thought I was nuts but I had a good time. However, I don't remember specifics of the set up or even where I sat but I do remember going. It just seemed like an odd combination: Twins, Cubs, New Orleans...why not?

Posted on December 1, 2008 at 01:20 AM by chuck in ak Highlight this comment 36

YouTube rules - I present the 1987 Busch Challenge (a college baseball tourney), complete with '80's music, from the Superdome (click my name)...

Moose

Posted on December 1, 2008 at 07:55 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 37

Also, note this post from Baseball-Fever, that shows the view from the upper-deck, and how you can't see home-plate from some seats. I also forgot to note in my first post, that YouTube video shows a 421' CF... Enjoy!

Moose

Posted on December 1, 2008 at 08:02 AM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 38

Small update from the Ballpark Authority regarding the Public Art projects for Target Field.

Posted on December 1, 2008 at 09:59 AM by Mo Highlight this comment 39

The Ballpark Authority's Fall 2008 Newsletter can be found at the link. The Newsletter has a couple of other imbedded links with some good information.

Posted on December 1, 2008 at 10:03 AM by Mo Highlight this comment 40

VikesTwinsWolvesWild - the NFL started the "C" patch last year, and the stars are supposed to indicate how many years the player has been a captain. One of the dumb things, though, is that it only covers the length of time that the "C" patch has been around, so that, say Peyton Manning, who's been the Colts captain for several years, had to wear one with just one yellow star last year, and now two yellow stars this year, even though, like I said, he's been captain for several years (enough to fill in all four stars, at least).

Posted on December 1, 2008 at 9:07 PM by Moose97 Highlight this comment 41

IC thanks moose

Posted on December 2, 2008 at 12:28 AM by VikesTwinsWolvesWild Highlight this comment 42

They need to get rid of the captain 'C' in football.

If the league is so inclined to keep the 'C' around, at very least, let each team design their own to look better with their uniforms. Hockey does this, and they look much better in hockey because they match the lettering/font style of the team, unlike the standard 'C' the NFL uses.

Posted on December 3, 2008 at 11:11 AM by Jason Highlight this comment 43

I was really surprised how fast the upper deck stadia went in this week. Starting to look like a real ballpark. It also helps me to get a sense of scale. I drove by last weekend and saw the stadia in the distance...it made the park seem much bigger than I'd previously perceived it.

Posted on December 11, 2008 at 09:24 AM by Dale Highlight this comment 44

frank get a life twins rule

Posted on February 26, 2009 at 07:57 AM by david Highlight this comment 45

luke is a fucking idiot

Posted on March 14, 2010 at 8:04 PM by bulldog Highlight this comment 46


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Harmon Killebrew






This is the view from the Seventh Street circulation ramp. It will eventually be covered by the wood louvers.



Print press box



The entrance from the service level corridor. (You have to pass the Twins clubhouse door to get there.)






"Original" or "Dinger" Dog



Opening Day 2008 (By Currier & Ives)






Pillows!



Don Swanson, left, in-coming commander of the Richfield American Legion, and Joe Kennedy, right, out-going commander, are pictured with the Legion's new flag pole, which once stood at old Metropolitan Stadium. (Click to enlarge.)



You have to wonder just what happened here. Will it remain forever embedded in cement?






Larry DiVito takes a last check of everything before the game starts









Infield dirt used as accents



A little more imaginative is the circulation building for Northstar.















This is the Metropolitan Club as viewed from the future Ballpark Authority office space.



This guy at the Puckett atrium chef stand caught me taking the picture and said I should stop back later because he was "just getting started." I still don't know what he meant.



Terrace Level



Ticket window at Gate 29/Carew



This would have been the HERC side, though it's unclear just how far over the plant the retracted roof would have gone. My fear was always that they would have to shorten the track and more of the roof would have stayed over the ballpark. The only good retractable roof is one which disappears when not in use. I don't think they could have realistically created such a thing.












Flagpole historian Ben McEvers at far right (click for the full photo set, graciously loaned to this site by Pat Backen)



This would be easy to miss, but I found it on a cart located directly behind the Batter's Eye seating on the upper concourse in center field.



Two plazas in Spain. (Brad and I were pretending to steal coins from the fountain. We were all just so darn funny back in high school, eh?)



The HERC promenade side.






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Click to enlarge. (Photo by Jared Wieseler)


















This is the LRT bridge under construction as viewed from the east looking west. The ballpark facade would be at the left in this photo.



Lunch break at the top spot. (Grandstand)



Seventh Street circulation



The HERC promenade side.





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MOA - Mall of America

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