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So Many Subjects for a Season's Last Gasp

October 30, 2009 1:45 AM

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Seat logos in place

At dinner last night, Vic asked, "What time is the game?"

What game? Oh, 3 o'clock Sunday.

"No, the World Series. Doesn't it start tonight?"

So it did. And the question might be, how is it that I didn't realize that right away? I'm very interested. It certainly looks like a great series on paper.

But I'd slipped out of baseball mode because the scheduling is all screwed up. I know, this is not news. About the only people who think the schedule is fine wear suits with either Fox or MLB logos on the pocket.

Of course, ratings were up for game 1. Predictable with the Yankees in the picture.

I could go on and on about what's wrong with the scheduling, but I've got too many other subjects to get to tonight. Let's just say that TV executives are nothing if not unimaginative, risk-averse weasels. There are opportunities to program the playoffs and World Series in a way that eliminates the need for the Yankees or Red Sox while still getting ratings. Given that the Bombers are historically only in 4 out of every 10 World Series, you'd think that a little creativity might be in order for those other 6 years...

(By the way, that's a real statistic. There have been 105 modern World Series, and the Yankees have appeared in 40, or 38% of them. That's definitely beyond the threshold of statistical significance. Can you say, "competitive imbalance"?)

But MLB has drunk the Kool-Aid. It's another reason why the Selig Era will long be remembered as the Big Sell Out.

In fact, at one point tonight I heard Joe Buck describe the World Series as "the last round of the playoffs." Given the fact that the WS no longer even pretends to be about determining which is the best team in baseball, how sad is that image?

Replay Redux

The problem is now epidemic. The umps are losing their credibility. We know it, the managers know it, the players know it, the umps know it. Their confidence is down, and even more calls are being blown.

Blame it on HD if you want. There's nothing like watching a blown call over and over in HD to make you remember it forever. Forget that it's one or two calls a game. Two calls in rapid succession tonight were each potential game-changers. This isn't a little problem anymore.

The time to fix this is NOW. The winter meetings are just over a month away. Now is the time for someone to take a fully-developed instant replay overhaul plan to the rest of the brain trust:

1. A fifth ump on each team is stationed at a monitor just off the playing field with access to replays from all cameras in the park. (That's a total of 15 more umps. Their union will like that and it's not all that expensive.)

2. Managers can appeal any play (except balls and strikes) to an ump on the field who decides if a replay check is warranted. (No formal limit to the number of appeals. Abuse can result in ejection from the game.)

3. If appealed, the replay ump renders the call by hand signal immediately. (No slowdown of the game under most circumstances.)

4. If the replay ump sees something needing to be corrected, he communicates it to the crew chief who makes the correction on the field immediately.

If you agree that this idea is at least the start of a meaningful reform, please cut and paste the above into every baseball bulletin board you frequent (take credit for it yourself, if you wish). Maybe we can catch somebody's eye and get this done.

Next up: Technology to monitor the lines just like they have in tennis, both for the foul lines and for the edges of the plate. I hate it when the little diagram comes up (even as "unofficial" as they keep telling us it is) and shows that a strike was not a strike or a ball was not a ball. This is not complicated or expensive technology.

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Center field seating

Speaking of that, why don't they just keep that little diagram on the TV screen at all times? Put it up in a corner, kind of like they have on the Gameday system, which I love because you get a very useful graphic of how the at-bat is progressing.

Hey You Kids! Get Outta My Yard!

I'm feeling cranky, so let's get into something that really pisses me off because it is so insanely dumb.

I saw a blurb for something called the Roku which allows you to watch MLB.TV Premium games right on your TV. Well, like all of these MLB digital services, it allows you to watch any out of market game.

The logic is that, if I want my own team's games, I have to subscribe to cable.

Well, I'm not going to subscribe to cable or satellite just to get Twins games! Maybe some people do, but I will not.

That means my money is staying in my pocket, even though I'd be happy to give it directly to MLB. Hear that, MLB? I'm keeping money in my pocket that I really wish I could give to you if only you'd let me watch my favorite team's games on your nifty digital service.

I understand why they do it, but that doesn't mean it's not stupid. In fact, it is stupid.

NYS on TV

In these playoffs we've now gotten some very long looks at New Yankee Stadium. (Have you heard that some of the cement is cracking?)

I've noticed a couple of things. First, they have a canopy of lights not unlike the one at Target Field (which isn't nearly as innovative -- conceptually -- as the publicity might have you think). But they have turned off the lights behind home plate and above the foul poles.

I don't know why, but it seems very intentional. For the benefit of the players? Umps?

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Skinny dugouts at TF

Second, every time I see a shot of the railings at the front of various decks, they look an awful lot like the ones at Target Field. I suppose there's no harm in buying something that works, but if it's true, I don't like it. Unfortunately, I can't get a long enough look to know for sure.

Third, it appears that the dugouts are very shallow, again similar to those at TF. Whether the Twins will have those nifty out-front benches I don't know. But those shallow inner benches are a big change from what we've known all these years. Its not a bad thing, just another observation.

Fourth, in one shot tonight I saw the ribbon boards showing the very same "Make Some Noise" graphic we've become accustomed to at the Metrodome. Makes sense, I suppose, that whoever makes the ribbon boards makes the graphics.

But the whole scoreboard-prompting-the-crowd-to-get-into-the-game thing seems beneath Yankee fans. In fact, I think it's even getting to be beneath Twins fans.

We'll make noise if you give us something to make noise about. Period.

Fifth, the relievers have a nifty glass-enclosed clubhouse out there in the bullpens. Nothing like that at TF.

Phillies, Too

Following up on my previous post about Citizen Bank Park looking way taller than TF, I've determined from architectural cross sections that the top rows of each park are at the almost exactly identical height of 116' 1" from the playing surface.

There is still a large difference in the horizontal distance from the front row of upper deck seats to the foul line. The best measurement I can get is that the front row of CBP seats in the upper deck may be as much as 35 feet further from the foul line than TF. (The foul line is the best reference because there is a significant difference in the amount of foul territory.) There is some ambiguity because the upper rows of CBP are razor-straight, while TF curves around the field.

The answer appears to be that the TF upper deck seats are decidedly better, but they are not any lower to the playing surface.

On another note, it may be interesting to measure Matt Stairs. We're watching the game tonight and Vic says, "He looks like your dad." And you know what? In terms of his physique, she's right.

So...seeing that guy in the World Series makes me think: Gimme a bat!

On the other hand, seeing former-Twin Charlie Manuel (a player remembered from my childhood days out at The Met) as a wise, old baseball sage makes me feel a little bit older myself.

A baseball franchise only comes of age when it scatters its former players around the game as wise, old baseball sages. You have to stay in one place for a long time before that can happen. Fifty years of Twins in Minnesota is, therefore, a very special thing.

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Larry DiVito, mowing

Oh Yeah, This is a Twins Site...

The Twins announced today that they will be having a big rummage sale on November 7. On the one hand, if I can be there, I will. On the other hand, I gotta believe that much of what we'll find there is stuff nobody really wants.

They rolled out a couple of bobbleheads and Homer Hankies for the Fox9 news cameras, but anything interesting like that will probably be gone in the first few minutes. After that, I'm picturing bin after bin of old media guides and schedule magnets.

...and Target Field

Dan Kenney reports that the "super flush" went off without a hitch. It sounds funny, but it's a major milestone for the project.

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This will be a great neighborhood. Note that the covering is being built for the emergency access. Also, note the streamers above, which appear to be monitoring air flow.

On a tangentially-related note, I recently read a book called Subterranean Twin Cities by local caver Greg Brick. It's a great book, and contains a whole chapter on Bassett Creek which, as you may remember, runs beneath Target Field. In fact, there's apparently a pretty large underground waterfall just downstream from the park.

Another milestone, the light burn-in, has hit a small snag, and it's bugging some, but not all, of the neighbors.

Here's something significant that was discovered in the Ballpark Authority's most recent job site report:

"The Twins have determined to make modifications to the terrace level railings because of sight-line issues."

I've asked a couple of people about this but gotten nothing definitive yet. Shorter seems like one obvious option, but redesign would be another. I'll let you know what I hear.

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This is some of the signage in place for concession stands.

A Couple More Random

Special thanks to Andy, Steve and Paul for the photos in this entry. I also got a lot of information about ticket pricing which I intend to churn and publish, but haven't had time for just yet (thanks to Jim and John for that).

I made a small change to the coding of the comment form to further thwart the spam bots which have been ratcheting up my bandwidth costs. If you do not see a comment form on this or another page, just check to make sure that cookies are enabled in your browser and refresh the page. Drop me a line if you have any problems.

I've been encouraged by some readers to maintain the following link in the interest of changing how the costs of the site are covered:


Enough donations and I can banish the ads -- which I'd love to do. But there's no pressure here. I'm not MPR. As I've said before, I didn't start this site as a money-making venture. If you feel like you've benefited from the site, I'd appreciate your consideration. That's all. (As a Minnesotan, I feel a little bit sheepish about even bringing it up.)

In fact, I started this site to talk ballparks, and maybe have a place now and then to exercise the baseball part of my brain (which does actually have other parts too, exercised elsewhere). To that end, I read a fabulous article about why ballparks matter. Technically, it's a plea to the new owners of the Cubs to get at the urgent task of rebuilding Wrigley Field in place. But it gets to the heart of how the design of a ballpark affects the whole psyche of a franchise. Very perceptive.

In the comments to my last post, MattW used a wonderful phrase to describe Target Field: "naturally retro."

It refers to the fact that the design of the park is wholly intertwined with the piece of land on which it was built. There is very little in the way of arbitrary quirkiness (and before you mention the overhang, let me just say that it amplifies how the freeway pushes against that quadrant of the site).

When we hear reviews of the place next spring, I think it's possible that people may not appreciate just how important this is to the overall success of the facility. Of course, I'm jumping ahead. I'll need to see a game or two (or 10) there first.

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Larry DiVito, mowing

Question

Tonight, during the game, Vic posed a question that never occurred to me before, and for which I had no immediate answer (though I bluffed a theory almost immediately):

Why run around the bases counter-clockwise?

Comments


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TTH - the seat selection system (by Bellina as Linc mentions) and the ticketing system two different systems and I don't think they are linked, at least not real time.

I am not aware that MLB has any ticketing related contract other than the StubHub marketing agreement (and the Twins WILL be participating this year). If MLB is taking it over, that would have to be part of MLB advanced media and I think we would have seen an announcement long before now if that was true. Pretty sure the Twins are switching their ticketing system this year though (from tickets.com to either ticketmaster or Paciolan).

As for the invoice and CCV - that is true - the reps are calling folks - but I think that's a design issue - I don't think the invoices from prior years had a CCV field either.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 02:42 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 1

and for those paying their invoices by credit card - they also need credit card billing address confirmation.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 02:49 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 2

Another great post Rick, still can't wait to bite into a juicy 'BULLS-EYE DOG' :)

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 04:11 AM by JcmBaseball Highlight this comment 3

Isn't the sale supposed to be Nov 6 and 7?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 06:57 AM by luke Highlight this comment 4

Ahh another great post by Rick, i made that last picture my desktop! As regards to the trading site, i do like it, i hope it goes up soon, it'll be nice to have somewhere to get tickets that doesn't charge so much extra (stubhub- the tiebreaker game cost me $70, on the ticket it says $11,) aside from the maybe small convenience fee (stubhub had i think 2.50)

Also, good question on why they run the bases like that? only answer i can think of, that's just the rules! haha who knows?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 07:00 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 5

Also question of that beers of twins territories place (the picture didn't load till i refreshed), does anyone know if it will have Minnesota beers (Summit, Grain Belt, Pigs eye, etc)

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 07:01 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 6

I don't know if those LF bleachers will be a "great neighborhood" Rick. Sit farther up, you wont be able to see anything!
This is where they'll put all the kiddies on Sundays during Kid's Day. They don't even have backs on the bleachers...

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 07:03 AM by luke Highlight this comment 7

If you scroll through this slideshow (click name) you'll get a perspective on Target Field height/angles versus the Dome. I made it many months ago. It's most relevant behind the plate.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 07:04 AM by David Brauer Highlight this comment 8

Great post, I love the last picture. Can't wait until opening day.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 08:30 AM by Strongred Highlight this comment 9

Luke, look closely at those left field bleachers and you will see that they do in fact have backs on them. I think even in the top row, you'll do just fine with the view. Yes, you won't see some fly-balls, but people will adjust. Look at it this way, you'll be shielded from the sun on those hot summer Sunday day games :).

Rick, I'd love to hear what your bluffed theory was on running counter-clockwise. It also made me think about car racing. Why do they run on a track counter-clockwise too? Are we as humans just naturally inclined to turn left?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 08:54 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 10

As for running the bases, I'd say that there are more right handed hitters and makes sense to have them running the way they are facing. That's not necessarily faster, since it is further away for righties, but easier to understand (ask a little leaguer).

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 09:07 AM by Craig in MN Highlight this comment 11

So are there going to be seats where that hole in the bleachers was? I had been wondering that because on the seat selection site, it shows seats there... What was that hole there for?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 09:28 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 12

It's an access tunnel, it's how larger vehicles such as fire trucks/ambulances will get into the stadium. They also brought the cranes and other construction equipment/supplies through there.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 09:48 AM by Camden Highlight this comment 13

"TWINS BREW - BEERS OF TWINS TERRITORY"
1. I hope there is more than 1 of these stands in the stadium.
2. I will get to know the people working this stand. I guarantee it.
3. Possible beverage choices in this stand: Summit, Grain Belt Premium, Linnie's, Finnegan's, Shells, Pigs Eye, Surley (Long shot but would be amazing. Brewed in Brooklyn Park).

Click my name for MN breweries.

PS. Rick - Is it possible to get the last pic from this post in high res.? Thanks!!

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 09:54 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 14

So no seats there, obviously... I wonder what they're going to do with those that chose seats there?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 09:55 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 15

luke - there is backs on the bleachers. Click my name for the 10/19/10 gallery from the twins website and look at picture 4. They all have backs.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 09:56 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 16

Jimmer - There will be seats there. They are working on it now.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 09:57 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 17

Hey Trosy29. That pic is from Blue Sky Aerial Photography. It is on the ballpark authority web page.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 18

So where will emergency vehicles get in then? Surely there is a need for a tunnel

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 19

luke,
the kiddies will most likely be in right field as those are single game ticket sales only. the left field bleachers have quite a few season tickets and that would make it difficult to put large groups.
it is section 130 that is being filled in. i'll be in row 6 there come april.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 20

emergency vehicles rarely come on the fields anymore. they use carts instead to keep the integrity of the grass.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:05 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 21

Jimmer - The whole seating area is "Hinged", and can be raised and lowered.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:07 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 22

just selected my seats for a 20 game pack, row 6 section 130!

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:08 AM by jp Highlight this comment 23

Thanks Jeff.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:09 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 24

The only time that section of seats will be raised to let in vehicles is probably for other events like the NHL Winter Classic (cross our fingers), concerts, repairs, etc, or god forbid, fire.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:13 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 25

"That's all. (As a Minnesotan, I feel a little bit sheepish about even bringing it up.)"

I just spit all over my damn pc screen when I hit the link on that!!!
(Obviously I've lived outside of MN at some point in time...)

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:16 AM by Chuck Highlight this comment 26

"So where will emergency vehicles get in then? Surely there is a need for a tunnel"

A Minnesotan could have a Nuclear Missile firmly lodged in their front yard and they would ask the Bomb Squad if they would like some coffee first. *rolls eyes*

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:26 AM by Chuck Highlight this comment 27

I heard on the radio this morning that tonight might be the last of the consecutive lights on at Target Field nights. It will be kind of crowded down there though, with Wolves/LeBron game going on.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:58 AM by robin Highlight this comment 28

Picking up on the streamers blowing in over left field (see Rick's pic above), any details on the TF wind-study now that the major construction is complete?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 11:06 AM by Jesse Highlight this comment 29

trosy29,

Click the last image for the largest resolution that I have available.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM by Rick 30

Faber CA,

I didn't want to put my made-up explanation in and sway people. But the first possible explanation posted (Craig in MN) was also my guess: It's logical for right-handed hitters to run forward after hitting the ball.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 12:01 PM by Rick 31

luke,

I think those bleachers, closed in with the deck above, will create a great community of fans. It's small enough where people might actually get to know one another over time.

Like a lot of TF seats, there will be obstructions. (Yes, I said "a lot".) And they do have backs.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 12:03 PM by Rick 32

Be sure to check out David Brauer's link above (now highlighted). It's from a while back, but a great primer to TF.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM by Rick 33

It got touched on, but here's the total scoop:

That area in the left field bleachers, which has been open during construction, is being covered with a hinged access door. On top of that door will be seats.

The door allows access for fire trucks, ambulances, and any other emergency-type vehicles to the field. I'm pretty sure this is some sort of federal requirement for venues of over a certain size.

It's an open question about what could possibly catch fire out on that field.

Beyond that, it has numerous practical uses and is essentially a requirement if a venue hopes to host concerts or other non-baseball events. That is the door through which all the stage, sound, and lighting equipment would be brought in for setup.

During a game, however, you probably won't even notice that it's there until a fire breaks out in the outfield somewhere. (Seriously, getting an ambulance onto the playing field is a pretty important capability for a sports venue to have. We can hope it never needs to be used for that.)

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 12:14 PM by Rick 34

Thanks Rick! My new Wallpaper.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 12:36 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 35

I didn't do any research before posting the question about the direction of the base paths, but the consensus I find out there is that the overwhelming prevalence of right-handedness is the explanation.

In addition to the hitter running forward, there is the matter of right-handed fielders having an easier time throwing toward first base rather than toward third.

I'm not sure I buy it completely, but there's sense to it.

But as one guy put it: "That is just the way it is. No reason at all. For that matter, Why do clocks run clockwise?"

Maybe we should be looking at the Coriolis Effect for a more scientific explanation. Somebody should probably ask Grant Balfour what direction they run the bases in the southern hemisphere...

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 12:42 PM by Rick 36

"About the only people who think the schedule is fine wear suits with either Fox or MLB logos on the pocket."

As a suit for the network, I understand your frustration. A lot of people simply don't like the start times. We are aware of this so we changed the majority of start times to 7:30 ET instead of the traditional 8:00ET.

I think you guys in the central time zone have it best since it's not too late or not too early now. Out west, we have the games starting when most people are already at work or sitting in rush hour traffic.

"There are opportunities to program the playoffs and World Series in a way that eliminates the need for the Yankees or Red Sox while still getting ratings."

Please explain how you would increase ratings without the presence of larger market teams?

The World Series brings out casual fans. The core fans are already going to watch. The larger the market, the more casual fans view the game. No human interest story about the plucky team in flyover country is going to bring in the numbers that the most populated markets bring in.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 12:56 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 37

Lafferty, with all due respect, you changed the start times to 7:57 ET. I know it's only about 1/2 hour, but that does make a difference. I am very happy that the games are starting at 7:00 pm here in the Twin Cities instead of like 8:20 or whenever it used to be.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 1:04 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 38

Luke ,

I have had my eye on the LF blechers for about 2 years it seems...they have backs but no cup holders that bites but is not that big of a deal to me...i have the 11th row last 2 seats next to the bullpen and it is under the over hang and that sucks but it was the best i could do and i will be happy with it ntil i can move down in future years.

i guess i lucked out when i got my sth stuff sat i just waited until monday and called my rep and paid over the phone so i dont have to worry about mail and that stupid website he told me also they since my payment date is monday i am one of the first paid so i will have a good pick at some od tickets... im sure someone can get negitive on this so lets hear it

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 1:17 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 39

Oh, coriolis effect how do i love thee? let me count the ways...

I spent waaaay too much time in college looking at giant coriolis equations. I think some of them made me a bit crosseyed.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 1:20 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 40

Lafferty,

First, sorry about the "weasel" crack. It was late and I was feeling like a cranky old man (which I get closer to becoming each and every day). You guys are trying to maximize profits. I understand that.

Second, I'm going to put time into a coherent response, because I think it's a subject worth discussing. My complaints are as much with the calendar as the clock, and as much with the marketing of the MLB as the WS broadcasts.

When I think about these things, I think about a pretty big picture, and realize that I'm not the first to grouse about any of this. Any ideas I may have are A) probably not new, and B) probably unfeasible for reasons I wouldn't understand.

More to come.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 1:36 PM by Rick 41

I think a lot of peoples gripe about the playoff schedule is the off days. Look at tonight. It is FRIDAY night and no baseball game on. If you are going to have a day off, make it during the week, not the weekend. Look at Game 2 of the ALDS. Why in hell was there an off day between Game 1 and 2 when there wasn't any travel. Even if the Twins didn't play 163, it was still scheduled in this manor. Secondly, the WS is running into November. Game 7 (if necessary) is November 5th. Here are some comparisons for reference (thanks to my Target Field calander)

1987: Twins win AL Pennant: October 12th
1991: Twins win AL Pennant: October 13th
2009: AL Championship Series BEGINS October 16th

1987: Twins win World Series (7 Games): October 25th
1991: Twins win World Series (7 Games): October 27th
2009: World Series Game 7 (if necessary): November 5th.

Yes, I know that the Divisional Series have been added since then, but they can easily wrap up the World Series every year by the end of October. All year, all teams play one game, get on a plane and play the next. Why does that not work for the playoffs? I feel that there should be a MAXIMUM of 1 off day in the DS and the CS series. 2 for the WS.

Now, we could get into a whole other subject that would drastically help this. 1-2 Double Headers per month. That would cut 1-2 weeks off the season easily. But, I will leave that one for another day.

One more point, and then I am done with my rant. If both CS Series are done in 4 or 5 Games - MOVE UP THE WORLD SERIES!! There is no reason to not have baseball played over a week. The NL series went 5 games and there was 6 full days off between Game 5 of the CS and Game 1 of the WS.

Done.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 42

trosy29: Could. Not. Agree. More.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 1:50 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 43

Didn't the World Baseball Classic push the entire season back a week this year?

Opening Day 2009 was Monday, April 6 when last year (2008) it was on March 31.

So without that WBC, Game 7 COULD have been October 29.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:01 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 44

Opening Day 2010 is April 5th this year and there is no WBC.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:04 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 45

How about the unthinkable- World Series day games on Saturday and Sunday? They could travel Sunday night and play Monday night. The last day game in the World Series was game 6 in 1987 if I remember correctly.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:07 PM by JohnC Highlight this comment 46

Good to hear... I don't get to pick seats for another 4 days, but I'll be sure to pay right away.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 47

World Series games during the day would not work on Sunday due to the NFL also being on FOX.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:09 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 48

Faber,

We changed them to 7:30 ET. (With the exception of one W.S. game, I believe.) Obviously with all the pre-game ceremonies, music, etc the first pitch isn't thrown until closer to 8ET. In the past, the first pitch would be more like 8:25 ET.

Rick,

No worries about the previous comment. I work with a bunch of weasels, but most of us just love televison and want to change things for the better.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:27 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 49

"I think a lot of peoples gripe about the playoff schedule is the off days. Look at tonight. It is FRIDAY night and no baseball game on. If you are going to have a day off, make it during the week, not the weekend."

No, there is not a game tonight, but Game 3 is Saturday and Game 4 is on Sunday. I too would rather have games on weekends since the weekday games interrupt our prime time line-up.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 50

"i guess i lucked out when i got my sth stuff sat i just waited until monday and called my rep and paid over the phone ---"

I e-mailed my rep about the lack of a OD box to check in the online payment option and was added to the list immediately (Monday morning) - before I paid!

Rick --- I hope I get OD tickets and wind up listing them here! :-)

"I work with a bunch of weasels, but most of us just love televison and want to change things for the better."

When are you going to start?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 51

" I too would rather have games on weekends since the weekday games interrupt our prime time line-up."

There is no prime time line-up on weekend days?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 52

Ben - he is talking about weekday night games.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 2:59 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 53

Yes, Lafferty, I know the coverage actually starts at 7:30 ET, but first pitch has been listed at 7:57 ET. Believe me, I'm not complaining, I love the earlier start times. I'm just being specific on when the first pitch actually is.

I know you all try to balance a reasonable East Coast start time with the West Coast still being at work or in traffic. But if people are going to miss some of the game because either they're at work (West Coast) or they have to go to bed (East Coast), I'd much rather miss the first three innings because I was at work or in traffic then the miss the last three innings because I have to get up at 5:30 am.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 54

Personally, I think there is way too much hoopla before games. Sing the National Anthem and get the game going. They could maybe stand to do some of these ceremonious things after the game for people who want to stay up and watch

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 3:40 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 55

I agree Deenels. The World Series is becomming more and more like the Super Bowl in that MLB is always trying to appease casual fans and the many corporations that can actually afford tickets to the games. They're just trying to give the casual fans more entertainment options because apparently the game is never enough.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 4:04 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 56

Paying right away is probably the only chance, and I think a slim one for those of us picking non-full season tickets this late. Obviously full season ticket holders get theirs and aren't about to part with them easily, then how many thousands of 40 and 20-gamers are sharing the same seats with each other? I would guess many others are reserved for special people and groups, and then the sections that are for individual game sales will presumably go on sale to the public. That's us now.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 5:32 PM by robin Highlight this comment 57

Well, there's always Ticketking as a last resort...

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 6:07 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 58

Yup - I stand corrected. I took trosy's advice and reviewed the photo gallery. The LF bleachers do indeed have backs on them.

Not sure if any of y'all are TCF Bank customers, but I went in today, and they had tons of posters of TCFBS - I think it's to commemorate the opening of TCFBS. At least at my branch in Robbinsdale they did.

It's not an overhead shot, it's actually a shot from the plaza, behind the scoreboard - but is still a nice poster.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM by luke Highlight this comment 59

[b]"The Twins have determined to make modifications to the terrace level railings because of sight-line issues."

I've asked a couple of people about this but gotten nothing definitive yet. Shorter seems like one obvious option, but redesign would be another. I'll let you know what I hear.[b]

This used to be just another stadium topic to pass over, however now that I'll be spending 83 days sitting behind one of these railings next summer, it has turned into a more important issue. In the photos I have seen it appears more like a two foot high fence, rather than a railing. I guess it is just one of those things you just don't know until you get there and sit in the seat. I think we will all be more informed with our seat selection next year. I ended up going with the 2nd row, because of a combination of being too cheap to shell out the extra $5 for a front row seat and concern about the railings.

Next time you are in the terrace level Rick, take a seat and let us know what you think? I'll look forward to your observation.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 9:27 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 60

It's five bucks more to sit in the front row?

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 9:38 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 61

Front row seats are an extra $5 or $10 per ticket, it all depends on what section you are looking at. In the Field terrace area, all of the sections have a $5 charge for the front row. Most of the Diamond box and Field box sections charge $10 for the front row.

There is something to be said for not having anyone sit in front of you. Especially when you are at field level. For whatever reason, the sections behind homeplate don't have the extra fee. I personally don't have any experience with this, but if you are paying $275 for a ticket perhaps the extra amount is already factored into the price.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:23 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 62

The one good thing about the front row surcharge is that its existence is the primary reason the Twins need to fix the railings. They inadvertently decided to charge more for seats that turned out to be somewhat difficult to enjoy.

My original prediction was that the surcharge would be quietly abandoned. Fixing the railings is better, for now, but I still think it's a pricing mistake that they will have to fix sooner rather than later.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 10:32 PM by Rick 63

rail height: besides the upper terrace levels, does anyone know if rail height is an issue for first row on the field, first row behind the "moats" in lower level, and first row in Legend Club?
mn 55441: 2nd row should not be a problem, and if they are really only 2 feet, 1st row shouldn't be a problem for most people either. I suspect it's more like 2.5 or 3 feet.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 11:05 PM by robin Highlight this comment 64

Without setting foot inside our new home, I have been forced to examine all of the photos posted by others. In the terrace area, it appears that there is a concrete curb of 6 to 8 inches and then a white metal railing (fence) sitting on top of it. Without actually sitting down and trying to look through the railing it is hard to tell what kind of view you would have. It does appear to have way too much "stuff" running between the top of the rail and the bottom.

Again, just looking at the photos posted, it looks as if every section has the same railing throughout the park. Maybe the terrace area is affected more because of the distance between the seat and the railing or the slope of that specific section is relation to where you will be looking. When the railing topic has been brought up, it seems to always be in reference to the terrace sections. At field level you are not looking down through the railing, but instead looking over it at the field of play. If it affects the view in the terrace area, I would think it would also affect the upper deck. I did notice that the upper most sections do not have a surcharge for the front row.

Rick, you are the only one I know that has actually been inside. I defer to your opinion on the matter. Everything I have had to say is just theory.

Posted on October 30, 2009 at 11:44 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 65

Actually, $275 is for row 1 of the Champions Club only. The next few (I forget - 4 rows maybe? are $225 each), then $175. So, there is a front row premium for CC - $50.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 01:00 AM by jfh Highlight this comment 66

Yes, I suppose the slope is a major factor. It probably negatively affects the club section, though the slope there is probably not as steep as other upper levels. And I forgot to factor in the concrete barrier.
No first row surcharge for furthest field box areas down the line either. Or first row home plate and diamond box because they have small premium sections in front of them.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 06:30 AM by robin Highlight this comment 67

Need some help here. I am picking seats on Monday as a surprise for my DH for 20 game package. I'm trying to decide between the bleachers (worried a little about the comfort level of a bleacher vs. regular seating), the Granstand (still lots of good seats there but not too many people are choosing there so I'm wondering why) and terrace section 226 (seems like a good view of downtown but I have a little bit of a height thing but maybe seated I would be ok). I'd love some help with this if anybody has some pros and cons of the sections. Thanks all.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 06:39 AM by Janice Highlight this comment 68

BTW, there are front row seats in xome of the Grandstand sections but I too am concerned about the railing height.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 06:41 AM by Janice Highlight this comment 69

I'll just note that American horse racing also goes counter-clockwise for whatever reason, while in Europe there are both left turning and right turning courses.

As for group seating, I seem to remember during seat selection that the Twins also withheld some full rows in home plate view or field view sections on the first base side (undoubtedly to keep groups out of the sun). There were three or four full rows in a couple of sections that you couldn't select.

Finally, I always get a bit depressed when I re-look at Dave Bauer's excellent slide show from post 8. It suggests that the first row of the home plate view section is about row 15 in the dome, and that there is nothing in the upper deck as close to the field as the dome upper deck. In fact, the front row of the legends club and the front row of the dome upper deck seem to be the same horizontal distance to the field. I guess I'll just have to work harder so I can get to the legend club some day.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 08:51 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 70

Now, I'm curious about something.
In post 8 - there was a link to a blog post called "A Fans-Eye Perspective. I re-linked it here (Click my name).
If you scroll through, I think it's the second to last photo in the gallery, the overlay of the TF lower bowl to the Metrodome lower bowl.

It strikes me a little odd, that they have boasted that TF will have some of the shortest foul territory in the MLB. I'm not so sure. If you look at the overlay, it's almost identical to the Dome - and in some cases - like by the dugouts - TF is going to have MORE foul territory than the Dome.

I suppose it's a good thing (I didn't used to think so) that the TF dimensions are also almost carbon copy of the Dome's dimensions. The Twins have played those dimensions for 27 years - they know how to play a longer LF line and a shorter RF line - so maybe that's to our advantage.

And, in relation to the "Golden Seat" controversy, Puckett's game 6 homerun would have very likely ended up in the same spot at TF, if not maybe a row or two higher.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 09:43 AM by luke Highlight this comment 71

The AP has a story about instant replay and the unlikelihood that it will ever be expanded. Essentially, the players and managers all take the approach that everything evens out over time.

That's all well and good, and it's been the standard line for a century, but it's crazy not to employ a technology that can make things better, especially if it can be done seamlessly.

At least one interviewee is headed down the right path:

"Girardi said he expected instant replay would be discussed again during the offseason. If, so, he offered a helpful guideline.

'If it was expanded, I would like to see an umpire in the booth that could make a call within 30 seconds,' he said, 'which a lot of times would be quicker than a manager running out there.'"

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 3:27 PM by Rick 72

Best reason to pay for DirecTv? MLB Network 24/7! It's going to keep me sane this winter. :D

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 4:59 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 73

I have never come across anyone who is as misguided and completely wrong about just about everything as this LUKE character. Is this some kind of joke?

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 5:23 PM by jeff dubay Highlight this comment 74

Any thoughts on the uniforms? Follow link.
Also, the Twins will wear a navy cap with a red bill on the road starting in 2010.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 7:11 PM by Maxime Highlight this comment 75

Screw you, Dubay.
Look at the link, you'll see what I mean :).
And just for the record, who got arrested for meth posession? Sure as hell wasn't me!

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 9:27 PM by luke Highlight this comment 76

Wasn't Dubay either... If I remember correctly it was crack, cops saw him throwing it out of his car. Man I hope things are going better for him and he's finally getting clean.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 9:39 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 77

Are those the uniforms?

They seem somewhat close to what I've heard, but not exactly. I have heard that the away jersey will have no pinstripes and a new wordmark, so that seems right. But the home jersey they say will have the same wordmark but the updated one. And the alternate is said to be beige/cream?

I don't mind that "Minnesota" script on the away jersey, and I hope they keep the blue from time to time.

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 9:56 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 78

I got the meth thing from the Star Trib article I linked.

The unis look nice, if that's indeed the route they're going. I dont like the one on the right, the "Minnesota" script with Twins beneath it. It reminded me a too much of the Wild's third jersey script logo. Seems a bit unoriginal. JMHO

Posted on October 31, 2009 at 10:41 PM by luke Highlight this comment 79

Luke, as has already been said in here, the Twins actually used that Minnesota script first. If anything, the Wild are ripping off the Twins and being "unoriginal," not the Twins. Check out the link, which as I said, has been posted and mentioned at least a couple times in response to the whole Wild third jersey comments.

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 01:40 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 80

stop picking on my kid, crackhead.

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 08:08 AM by LUKE, I AM YOUR FATH Highlight this comment 81

Couldn't agree more Buffalo. I am surprised by the fact so many people will think the Twins "ripped off" the Wild for their Minnesota script, when in fact, it seems the Wild copied the Twins on this one.

That is the first thing I noticed when I saw the preliminary designs for the Wild third jersey last year. I immediately thought of the old Minnesota script that the Twins used on their jackets in the 1960's.

In the end, the Wild jersey looks great regardless and the Twins jersey will hopefully look just as good. They are both Minnesota's teams so lets support them and quit the negativity.

You know I am die-hard Twins ballpark geek if I am posting on this site live from Green Bay, WI on the morning of a Viking-Packer game. Time to start the pre-gaming and Skol Vikings!!

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 11:45 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 82

You know, comment 81 would have had more clout to it - if crackhead would have completed the word "FATHER".

Mike - it's probably my age that's at a disadvantage, I don't remember the Twins script a la the Wild third jersey. But you're right, the Wild third jersey does look very nice.

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 1:44 PM by luke Highlight this comment 83

Is anyone going to the "house-cleaning" sale at the Dumpty on Saturday?

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 2:47 PM by luke Highlight this comment 84

Heck yes. I'm going to buy the Kent Hrbek retired number banner and use it to cover my house, saving money on heating costs over the winter.

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 6:54 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 85

haha, elston...

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 8:25 PM by Deenels Highlight this comment 86

Well the Twins loss to the Yankees in the ALDS doesn't seem so bad afterall considering what the Angels and Phillies have gone thru.

Yankees are just too good and too powerful this year whether we love 'em or hate 'em. You have to play a complete, flawless nine innings to beat this team, that is for certain.

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 11:03 PM by Mike Brumley (aka Mike) Highlight this comment 87

Damn Yankees

Posted on November 1, 2009 at 11:10 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 88

"Damn Yankees"

I agree - but at the end of the day what they really are = Damn Tough Yankees.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 12:50 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 89

I know I've said it many times, but THANK YOU RICK for maintaining this site so well. We're blessed to have such a resource. Great pics and great coverage. It's unbelievable you're not on the Twins payroll. They owe you BIG TIME.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 09:15 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 90

Cubs just announced they want the 2014 All Star Game. Doesn't that get in the way with the "Little Team that Could" plans to host here then?

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 09:33 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 91

"at the end of the day what they really are ="

A $201 million dollar All-Star team. There is no way that MLB should allow that type of concentration of talent. Not for any reason.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 09:41 AM by Rick 92

OG Jeff,

I saw that 2014 mention as well. Wrigley hosted in 1990, so they are not technically due until 2020. Two things could change that:

1. They decide to build a new stadium and move out (a la YS from 2008).

2. They complete massive renovations between now and then -- along the lines of a complete tear-down-rebuild sort of thing.

If I were to add a third thing it would be some sort of agreement between the new owners and MLB prior to finalizing the purchase. Not out of the question, but I don't know how the Selig Regime handles such things.

(And it's my pleasure to host the site.)

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 09:45 AM by Rick 93

Any word on how long it will take to finish the wind veil (now that the supports seem to be in)?

Also, I can't find any info on it: What is being built on the corner of 6th Ave N and 5th St N?...where the gas station used to be.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 12:24 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 94

Another gas station. Holiday to be sure.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 12:34 PM by j2eepgmr Highlight this comment 95

The argument over whether every team should be represented in the All Star Game should be expanded to every ballpark. The days of every MLB city hosting the All Star Game should be over. It's about $$$ now. Pick a few select $$$-generating sites and rotate among them, such as:

East: Fenway Park, NYS
Midwest: Busch, Wrigley
West: Anaheim, San Fran

Smaller market teams don't generate the dollars or media to make it worth MLB's while.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 96

TTH, I'm not sure I get your logic. How would small market teams generate less dollars? The venue is going to be sold-out, for sure. Even small markets can handle the hotel space needs. The media will cover the all-star game regardless of the market size. I'm trying to figure out how a small market would generate less revenue.

Unless, of course, this is another one of your ploys to get people to respond with outrage over your statement. Something you haven't been above in the past.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 1:03 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 97

So you're trying to tell me an All Star Game in K.C. would generate as much money as an All Star Game in New York??

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 2:02 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 98

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Who exactly is the game generating money for? MLB? Sure. But their revenue will be based on ticket sales and other auxilary channels. The city wouldn't affect that. Local economic impact? That will be similar no matter where the game is held.

How exactly is the All-Star game generating more money in a bigger market? Using your logic, the NCAA Final Four would NEVER be Indianapolis or Minneapolis or any other small market because they don't "generate enough revenue." A MLB All-Star game will have a similar (actually probably smaller) economic footprint on a city as a Final Four.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 99

The tarp is down on the field(webcam 1, 2:30pm today). It seems to fit!

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 2:54 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 100

I e-mailed my rep about the lack of a OD box to check in the online payment option and was added to the list immediately (Monday morning) - before I paid!

ok Ben you win...

I will go to the garage sale just to see what they have.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 101

When did they abandon the "knotholes" in the 5th Street wooden louvres?

I thought the gaps looked horrible but had come to grips with it. This is certainly a VERY pleasant surprise.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:15 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 102

The MLB and NCAA are different animals. You can't compare. Just like you can't compare the NFL's Pro Bowl to MLB's ASG. The NFL can take their exhibition game there and be profitable. If the MLB tried that, they'd be lucky to fill a stadium there.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 103

Looks like Wanda's got some news there. I didn't realize they had filled those in. Not really a surprise, given what they did on Seventh. I'll try to find out more.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:19 PM by Rick 104

I'm pretty sure that the bulk of ASG revenue is in TV ads. In that regard, it doesn't really matter where it's held.

Also, MLB sets the ticket prices, which get paid by attendees from around the world. Again, revenue-neutral in terms of site/market.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM by Rick 105

Rick,

I noticed it three days ago. It looks great. I have been amazed with some of the flexibility shown by the Twins and their partners throughout this process.

Target Field is truly going to be a gem.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 106

Leave it to the "stripper" to ask a question about filling in holes. Un-freaking-believable.

I heart this site.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:26 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 107

What, may I ask, is your noble profession?

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 3:27 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 108

TTH, actually from a host cities perspective, the MLB All-Star game and the Final Four are very similar animals. Both are large sporting events that take place in a very short period of time. Both draw national media attention. Both draw outside visitiors and corporate dollars. Both require large blocks of hotel and convention space. Do you want me to go on? The All-Star game would actually be smaller in all those things than the Final Four, but you see my point.

There's nothing between the two events that even the smallest of MLB markets can't handle and profit from. I'm still waiting to hear how exactly more revenue would be generated from holding the game in NYC versus KC.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 4:13 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 109

I wonder whom is going to purchase an ad or two on the white tarp we see in Webcam 1.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 4:29 PM by luke Highlight this comment 110

I'm delighted to hear they made the facing of the ramps on the 5th street side match the one on the 7th street side. Those gaps looked as if the facing had been vandalized - did not look good at all. Kudos to whoever got the clue to fill in the contrived knotholes.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 4:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 111

Whilst being slightly rude about it, Elston may get his wish to buy Hrbek's retired number banner.
The Twins released the "list" of things that will be for sale in the 22-foot wide concourses at the Dome on Saturday. Among the items, Twins signage and banners.
Click my name for the full list - found on the Twins website.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 5:15 PM by luke Highlight this comment 112

Will the Twins be including members of their bullpen in this garage sale?

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 6:14 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 113

ha! good one Kevin. I LOL'ed. I wonder what a Boof goes for in this economy?

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 114

Bigger markets often bring larger demand thus causing higher ticket prices and larger TV contracts.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 9:18 PM by Camden Highlight this comment 115

The bullpen would not be fodder for a garage sale Kevin.
The Twins would have to pay someone a hefty sum to take the bullpen away.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM by luke Highlight this comment 116

Camden says
Bigger markets often bring larger demand thus causing higher ticket prices and larger TV contracts.

For the All-Star Game? Are you serious? This is a one-time event that you can charge what-ever-you-want for (yes, even in Minny, KC, or even Duluth), and people will pay it. Not to mention that half the tickets will be taken-up by MLB suits, so it doesn't matter how much demand you're talking about. Like I said - put it in a hypothetical 40,000 seat ballpark in Duluth, and it would sell out just based on the number of people that would 1) get tickets from MLB, 2) people who travel to it no matter were it is, and 3) corporate sponsors.

Also, TV contracts? Fox/TBS (who's got the contract for the ASG right now?) has the TV deal, and couldn't care less where the game is, as long as it's on TV. It's not like they bid on the TV rights each year and wait to see where it is and bid less if it's in KC rather than NY (like that would affect viewership)...

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 9:41 PM by Goober Highlight this comment 117

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I noticed that the 3D seat viewer for Target Field now has some of the premium areas to view in addition to the traditional seating sections. If you mouse over the Main and Club level icons you can click and view sections of the Metropolitan Club interior, parts of the Legends & Championship Clubs, and some of the suites.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 10:31 PM by Andy Highlight this comment 118

What is the obsession with ripping the bullpen apart? I understand that in 2008 Matt Guerrier and others cost the team plenty of games. It's now been over a year since that time. Guerrier, Nathan and Mijares all had good seasons in 2009.

If you want to sit here and tell everybody how terrible it is, go ahead. But the truth is, they had the fourth best bullpen ERA in the American League (3.87) and the tenth best in baseball narrowly behind a few teams. Plus, they were sixth for the fewest blown saves and fewest losses in baseball.

Posted on November 2, 2009 at 10:37 PM by TwinsTerritory Highlight this comment 119

Yeah! The negativity in this town sucks. If we don't turn it around--and I mean quickly--we're never going to get on "Sunday Night Baseball," secure an All-Star Game or, heaven forbid, see an ALCS game at Target Field. It's all the whiners out there that nearly allowed retraction a few years back. I heard Bud has this site bookmarked on his Apple Macintosh 128K and checks it out between innings of Strat-o-Matic. Don't give him any ammo!

War Twins bullpen. War outlandish blog comments and hyperbole. Pass the Kool-Aid, TT. I'm a drinkin' some!

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 08:44 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 120

you are just in your own lil world huh TTH

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 09:02 AM by Mazaratirick Highlight this comment 121

I think he confuses cynicism with intelligence. Or arrogance. Either way it's a douchey combo.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 09:16 AM by some guy Highlight this comment 122

I'm with Goober. Bring the All Star game to Duluth ;)

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 123

Wade Stadium in 2014! Forget Wrigley!

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM by JohnC Highlight this comment 124

TTH = teenage dbag

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 11:55 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 125

I don't mind TTH as much. Sometimes he reminds me of how mazaratirick came up in this blog a couple years ago and got people riled up over tailgating...

...then other times he's just a box of dicks.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 126

oh yeah...much respect to mazarati: the original ballpark ninja.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 127

D-bag? Box of dicks?? Let's try to stay on-topic. Hurling insults is just plain low brow. Not sure why I expected better out of some commenters on this site. All I do on here is post an opinion like everybody else.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 128

Actually, it may well be the defense that hurt the team the most. An analysis of UZR stats suggests that "our" defense cost "us" 36 runs over the course of the season. Call it Bill Smith not knowing where the phone is. Call it Gardenhire being as stubborn and uncreative as a mule. Call it the richest owners in baseball also being the cheapest. Call it the team ignoring their fans now that their new palace is a reality. Call it what you will, the fact of the matter is that all the usual little catch phrases (playing the game the right way, etc) have largely become a myth. The fact of the matter is that "we" have a sometimes scrappy, albeit defective, team playing in baseball's worst division. I, for one, feel we deserve better and the team has as much as said that "we" will now get better (although they have yet to thank us for their new digs - perhaps they consider it their due?). Sorry for the rant --- but that resounding thud that was the Twins' post season has still got my goat.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 129

Your best sarcastic post yet, TTH!

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 1:31 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 130

"Leave it to the "stripper" to ask a question about filling in holes. Un-freaking-believable."

"Let's try to stay on-topic. Hurling insults is just plain low brow."

The Truth Hurts - Mr. Consistency.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 2:08 PM by Fred Garvin Highlight this comment 131

That's, um, not an insult Fred. That's an observation. A truthful observation at that.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 2:23 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 132

Um, define 'truthful observation.'

Wanda seemed to be insulted.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 2:37 PM by Fred Garvin Highlight this comment 133

Is Wanda really a stripper? I am intrigued and would like to know more.

My favorite thing on the Twins garage-sale list: A few old TVs - ALRIGHT! Problem is that it's the same day as an Engagement Party for a wedding I'm the best man for. I didn't even know such parties existed!

Wrestling with priorities... what to choose...

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM by Orlando Joe Highlight this comment 134

Sorry Fred. Didn't know you were sticking up for a dude pretending to be a stripper on a ballpark blog. My bad.

I didn't know guys had engagement parties either. That's reason enough to bail and go to the garage sale, IMHO.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 135

I wasn't sticking up for anyone. He/she can refute your 'truthful observation' of those in the pole-shining trade. I was merely pointing out yet another example of your incongruous logic, while at the same time hoping to draw the board's attention to you, because you really, really seem to like that.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 3:27 PM by Fred Garvin Highlight this comment 136

"Problem is that it's the same day as an Engagement Party for a wedding I'm the best man for. I didn't even know such parties existed!

Wrestling with priorities... what to choose..."

Then throw the deer hunting opener into the mix. By the way, engagement party sounds pretty limp.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 137

The All Star game in St. Louis had higher ratings than the one at Yankee Stadium a couple of years ago.

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 4:26 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 138

Click link for new Minnpost article with timelapse videos. really nice

Posted on November 3, 2009 at 11:31 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 139

Either TF talk is getting boring - or we're losing it.
7 hours between Lafferty's and some guy's posts yesterday.

Must be something in the water.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 07:40 AM by luke Highlight this comment 140

I moved the Facebook box because I've been posting links there that some of you may not be seeing.

You don't need to be a Facebook member or anything. It just makes a clean place to put stuff like that, and it links to the Twitter account automatically for those who prefer that.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 09:06 AM by Rick 141

It was a good run. Maybe Rick can start an Oakland A's ballpark blog and we can argue about seat width.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 09:07 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 142

I think its all the Twins fans, who happen to be Green Bay Packer fans, who are living in denial this week and are hiding in hibernation...rather than posting and contributing to Rick's blog.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 4:30 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 143

I don't subscribe to the "Packer Theory" I would sooner believe it is the "Silent Treatment". Everyone be still for awhile and see if TTH doesn't just go away.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 5:06 PM by clublevelfan Highlight this comment 144

Here's your challenge, rubes. If this site can go for 48 hours without one single post, I will never post a thing again.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 6:02 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 145

Let me clarify that: the 48-hour period must begin at midnight. After that, all bets are off.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 6:04 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 146

And Rick can't disengage the comments section either.

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 147

New Minnesota Twins ball cap now for sale on New Era's Web site (click link).

What do you think of the red bill?

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 7:43 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 148

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I just realized this is the official ROAD cap. Is this the end of the beloved or not-so-beloved "M"?

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 7:47 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 149

You heard TTH, 48 hours, no posts, then peace within the masses

Posted on November 4, 2009 at 7:49 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 150

Those new hats are dumb... I like the 'm' hat.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 12:08 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 151

I agree. I liked the M hat for the road uniforms. Not a fan of the red bill

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 12:25 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 152

Like the red brim, but that's the batting practice hat pretty much... At least that's where I remember it from. Before they changed to the new BP hat design the old one looked exactly like it. Now it looks like that but with those little... things above the ears.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 12:42 AM by autosave36 (aka Joe) Highlight this comment 153

I'm not sold on the new cap either, but have to withhold judgment until I see it with the new road uni. It may end up looking really good as a package.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 06:45 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 154

The batting practice hat is changing this year for sure. This is the first year I've paid attention, but I've been thinking they make subtle changes every year for marketing purposes. They were clearing them out for $10 for all teams at the end of the season.

For those buying new New Era 5950 caps...a hair dryer works miracles on breaking in the crown at the front.

Watching the 91 Series recently (MLB is re-running it), that was when they wore M at home and on the road. Does anyone know which year they went back to TC at home?

Also interesting to see the dome set up for 91 series. They added seats on the field near the bullpens and reversed the direction the bullpen faced, I assume to use that space for seating instead.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 09:15 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 155

This is the alternate cap, not the so called Road Cap.

It's the same cap that the Twins had this year with the red/navy portions switched out.

And the infamous "M" cap is staying. Joe and Justin are superstitious and did not want to see the "M" cap go.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 09:21 AM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 156

I know this has been mentioned in past posts somewhere, but is there going to be a calendar this year and if so, when will it be available?

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 09:44 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 157

Calendars will be available by December 1!

Also, the Construction Scrapbook (book of photos following the construction of the ballpark from day 1) and the Intro to TF (guide book for those needing an intro to the park) will be available about the same time.

I'm working on the store and products right now (hence the pause in posting).

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 09:50 AM by Rick 158

This from the article Rick linked about the Twins moving sale:

BS: What will you do at the new stadium to honor the retired numbers?

PK: The retired numbers will be positioned in upper left field.

Flag poles? I know this opens a old debate in this forum but now what do you think those 11 flag poles are going to be used for?

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 159

I heard the retired numbers would be installed on the Admin Building just below the party deck.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 160

I think they brought back the 'TC' hat in 2001, but didn't add it to the batting helmet until the following year.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 161

The white "T" and red "C" on blue cap logo was abandoned after the '86 season and reintroduced on home caps in 2002.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 3:09 PM by ben Highlight this comment 162

"I heard the retired numbers would be installed on the Admin Building just below the party deck."

Other than perhaps the trapezoid in right, I couldn't think of a better place.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 3:13 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 163

Good grief - we're collossaly screwed up TTH's challenge now didn't we?
I suppose we could try again. Come on fellas, 48 hours, and we're free!

I too heard that the retired numbers would be displayed out in left field. I think that was in Chas Walters' column in the Pioneer Press today.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 5:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 164

The TC cap came back in 1998 or 1999, I remember because I was at the game where they had a little "make the switch" ceremony with the teams out on the lines and they all took the M hat off and put the TC cap on. (home opener.. possibly season opener) The first pitch was hit out of the park off of Brad Radke.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 5:17 PM by autosave36 (aka Joe) Highlight this comment 165

I remember that season home opener. Right after Radke gave up that homer on the first pitch, I turned to my brother and said "it's gonna be a long year".

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 5:29 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 166

"The TC cap came back in 1998 or 1999"

Check out the '99 pocket sked --- Radke in white pinstripes with "M" cap. Or the '01 sked --- 5 players all in "M" caps. Of course you could just check Twins uniform history, but that's too easy.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 5:46 PM by Ben (aka ben) Highlight this comment 167

Sorry, luke. It was a one-time-only challenge. And it lasted all of 8 minutes. Maybe there aren't so many TTH haters as you'd like to think there are.

Hmm.. that red-billed Twins cap suddenly disappeared off of the New Era site. Somebody must have gotten a tongue-lashing from MLB for letting the cat out of the bag.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 168

This aggression will not stand, man!

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 6:11 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 169

In trying to figure out what year 'tc' came back, I found a page with 2001 Twins baseball cards. Here's one with Doug Mientkiewicz, with him wearing the TC hat. I also found a Joe Mays 'TC' card on the same site. I remember going out to get one of those hats that year, because I was so excited the Twins were winning again (even though we fell short down the stretch).

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 170

I'm pretty sure it was back at the beginning of 2000, to honor the 40th season.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 7:42 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 171

I'm ready to see these new uni's.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 8:15 PM by dirwin7 Highlight this comment 172

Elston is partially correct in that the TC caps were worn at home beginning with the 2000 season.

While it was the 40th season in 2000, the TC caps were also worn to commemorate Calvin Griffith for bringing the franchise to the Twin Cities in 1961. Calvin passed away in October 1999 and the Twins started wearing the TC caps during the 2000 season as a tribute to the late former-owner.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 8:16 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 173

I forgot to add, the Twins also wore the "CRG" patch in 2000 as a tribute to Calvin.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 8:19 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 174

Getting back to Target Field. It looks like they will have the tarp along the third base line since thay had it rolled out a few days ago. And that time lapse of the construction is sweet.

Posted on November 5, 2009 at 9:12 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 175

For all the naysayers who thought the Golden Seat didn't have a prayer of moving out of the Metrodome, the Star Tribune this morning settled the debate once and for all.
Click my name for the article, note the paragraph that starts with "Some things will be moving, such as..."

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 07:54 AM by luke Highlight this comment 176

My assumption is that they will be taking the seat with them, but it won't actually be installed. It will probably be on display somewhere in the stadium. Remember, that it is a seat, and the similar location at TF is bleacher seating.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 10:12 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 177

It would be moronic to even consider actually installing the seat in Target Field. I'm sure it will just be displayed somewhere.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 10:49 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 178

TWINS ACQUIRE SHORTSTOP J.J. HARDY IN

EXCHANGE FOR OUTFIELDER CARLOS GOMEZ

hm... what do you guys think?

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:05 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 179

BTW - I got the above trade as a press release from the Twins. I am assuming you all got it too, if you are STH.

I think it could be a good move.

Looks like the beginning of a busy offseason!

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:08 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 180

Guess that means that Cabraera isn't coming back. I wonder if they thought they couldn't sign him/too high a price tag to sign him. They have wanted JJ for a while now right? Didn't we try and land him at the trading deadline this year or last year?

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 181

yes

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 182

the "yes" was in regards to the aquisition of jj hardy. i am happy.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 183

I like it. I'm especially happy for Span. He's earned to be the full time CF for ALL 9 innings. And perhaps this will boost Young's confidence, knowing it is his job to lose in LF. (I wouldn't mind seeing him shift to RF).

As for Hardy, anything is better than Punto.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:11 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 184

I am torn. That means that Orlando is not going to get signed then, and I liked him. All we lost with Gomez is speed. Now we have our set OF. Span in CF. Cuddy in Right and Delmon in Left.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:13 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 185

JJ hit .283 with the Brewers this year with 24 HR and 74 RBI. How many years would that take Punto to reach?

Good deal, sad to see Cabrera go.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 186

Sorry those are 2008 numbers. this year, .229 11 HR 47 RBI in 115 games

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:23 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 187

Hardy had an off year in 2009. The stats Eric has in 186 are from 2008.

I think the Twins are hoping that he will go back to his 2007-2008 stats.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:24 AM by CSG Mike Highlight this comment 188

Great move by the Twins.

Getting rid of Gomez is a year overdue. I liked Cabrera at short as well...

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 189

A buddy just texted me this: JJ at 3rd and sign Orlando. Do any of you think this is an option? Do you think it would work?

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:29 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 190

I like the trade. If they can sign OC and have Hardy play third, the infield is set. Now resign Pavano, find another starter and ink Mauer to a long term deal and I am happy with the Twins for the offseason.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:32 AM by john c Highlight this comment 191

I thought that Valencia, would be our long term solution at 3rd. I think we traded for Hardy to put him in at SS.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:40 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 192

A buddy just texted me this: JJ at 3rd and sign Orlando. Do any of you think this is an option? Do you think it would work?

No. Generally, you would want to play the better defensive player at the harder defensive position, don't you think?

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:42 AM by strategery Highlight this comment 193

Gomez was a disaster at the plate, but his speed saved us a number of times in the field. Together, he and Span had amazing range. I really wanted Cabrera back too, so I'm not a fan of the deal. HOWEVER, I am glad the Twins are already doing something and not sitting on their hands like they normally do in the off season

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:49 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 194

Don't fool yourselves. Who has ever been traded here in the past 20 years and then regained his All-Star form? Hardy is just the next flavor of the year at SS.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 195

I agree strategery. Just a thought. I like OC's enthusiasm and team spirit. I guess is that they will sign crede or someone like him for third becuase he is cheap, and if he isn't producing or gets hurt, they have Valencia waiting in the wings.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:51 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 196

TTH - The difference with Hardy is that he is only 27. Every other former all star that has been traded to the Twins has been washed up. Hardy is still in his prime.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:55 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 197

JJ knew this day was coming. Click my name for link

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 198

Those of you who wish for a Vikings stadium and remember how much of an impact Shane's Greet Machine was in getting ballpark legislation will want to check out this website. I think we found our "Shane" for the Vikings stadium effort....Click name

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 199

Well, this player in his "prime" was demoted to the minors this past summer. As was Gomez, so treat this as nothing more than a wash.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 1:30 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 200

Um, unless I really missed something Gomez didn't go to the minors this year. It was Casilla who was up and down to Rochester all year.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 201

This trade sounds like under-performer for under-performer.

As such, it's a typical Twins trade, and we won't know until next June who got taken...

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 1:34 PM by Rick 202

TTH - From the blog that Eric posted in 198:

"Hardy did say it was tough to accept the 20-day assignment to Nashville that pushed back his free agency a year until after the 2011 season."

They sent him down because of the FA and they liked Alcides Escobar, not because he sucked.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 203

Rick, I disagree. JJ is not an under performer. JJ hit .283, 24 HR and 74 RBI in 2008. 2007 he hit .277, 26 HR and 80 RBI. We KNOW he can perform and he is only 27. Gomez has NEVER hit for those numbers and we frankly won't know unless he has a breakout season, and for once the Twins weren't patient. (Mauer incentive for sure) JJ isn't an under-performer. He just had an off year in '09. We do know right now that Gomez is an under performer. 3 years deep, and only his speed is impressive.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 1:50 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 204

His defense too. sorry.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:09 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 205

"JJ isn't an underperformer he just had an off year"....hmmmmm

So I guess we can say Delmon Young isn't an underperformer, he's just had a few off years?

Since JJ had a good 2008 and a not so good 2009, we can probably say HE UNDERPERFORMED!

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 206

This is another great example of Twins fans being duped by the front office. The F.O. sits silent for nearly the whole year. This leaves many fans panting for ANY MOVE. So, the F.O. jumps at the opportunity to make an underwhelming move like this because they know they won't be criticized and it looks good in their checking account register, and the Twins fans are disillusioned to believe it's relevant and/or progress.

J.J. Hardy does little if anything to make the Twins a better club.

Hell, you wander in the desert long enough and camel's piss looks good to drink.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 207

If this is the start of a busy productive offseason, then I'll get excited....But if this is Billy's blockbuster of the off-season...Yawn.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:19 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 208

Kevin - Yes, he underperformed one year (aka an off year), but for his career, he is not an under performer BY ANY MEANS. He had good/great years both '07 and '08. How is that under-performing? He was an all star.

Delmon Young - YES!! Underperformer.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:29 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 209

I think I am with TTH in the wash aspect of this. I think it may turn out to be mutually non-beneficial for both teams involved. Not detrimental, just not that beneficial.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 210

TTH,

Who's getting duped? Who's "disillusioned?" Where have you seen, on this blog or any other, any fan state that this trade is the 'brilliant move that will finally make the Twins a serious contender?' What I've seen is - "OK trade, even swap, still concerned about outfield defense after departure of Gomez, concerned about Hardy's production, blah blah blah." If you step back and look at it objectively, I think you'll find that most people's opinions do not differ significantly from yours, despite your clear desire for the opposite.

Your previously-proposed 48 hours should start tonight at midnight - I'm in.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:38 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 211

I swear to god. I don't get some Twins fans. We have needed a SS for the longest time, we pick up a very very solid one, and people are still bitching. When was the last time the Twins has a SS that could hit for power. Please, enlighten me.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:39 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 212

hardy is by far an upgrade for the twins as ss. i liked cabrera as the ss but for his price and age, he is not a good fit for the twins. hardy doesn't become a free agent until after 2011 and has proved in the past that he can hit. between having an off year (which almost every player has during their career), the brewers sent him down so he would miss by one day the amount of time on a major league roster to count as a season.

i truly believe this trade will work out in the favor of the twins; as much as i liked gomez, i feel that by moving him it clears up confusion for the outfield and shows younger players that if you don't step up, you'll be moved out.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:47 PM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 213

I'm with you trosy. We had a surplus of outfielders and no ss. This was a good move that, while it won't do everything, will improve our team. Blockbuster deals go sour (Young for Garza). Keep looking for these small improvements throughout the off season and we will be in good shape.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 214

We have Revere, Hicks, and several more outfielders waiting their turn eventually in the minors but people are still pissed off we dealt for a much-needed infielder? You people just refuse to be happy, no matter what happens. It was a good trade and a good risk to take. Twins fans will never be happy, just like with the new stadium having people bitching about the weather and no roof.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 3:09 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 215

annoyingcustomer - Agreed. I loved OC with the Twins the second half. Great enthusiasm and team spirit, not to mention solid D and a good 2 hole man, but, with his age and $ he was going to be looking for was not right for the Twins. Hardy, on the other hand, is young, affordable, and has great baseball years to come. Twins own the right to him through the 2011 season. If he has a solid 2010, could give him an extension.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 216

I like the trade. We all know we got duped when we got Gomez. Except for hitting, he has lots of skills but no brains. Only stayed up in the majors because he was the center piece of the Santana trade. It was a PR move to keep him on the roster. The Twins don't have 23 year old kids sit on the bench. JJ Hardy should be solid.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 3:30 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 217

I like the move.

It locks up shortstop for a couple seasons with a potentially productive bat. If he could be anywhere close to pre-2009, I think he'll help. It also gets rid of the outfield logjam. Gardy won't have to decide who will play.

One thing I'm not sold on is Punto. It sounded a little like he'd be in the lineup some how. I'd really like a middle infield of Polanco/Hardy.

At the least, a good start to the off-season not ever two full days in.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 3:42 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 218

I, too, hope for the best. But, TTH makes a valid point (which he often does if you guys would listen) --- I'm sick of "tell me about it" (spin) and have come to prefer "show me" (actual on-field performance). You should not need me to tell you about the teams cleverness in making trades over the past few years.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 3:51 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 219

I wonder what it's like being O-Cab in terms of stability in his life. Within the past 5 years he has been on 6 different teams and now likely going on 7. He certainly has a niche of being a good addition to a contending team looking for a quick fix at short stop. Other than the frequent moving to whole new city aspect, it sounds like he actually a pretty good gig. A good, solid player and I will be sad to see him go.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 3:55 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 220

I think now we just need to let 2B and 3B fall into place. Probably will be done from within. Maybe pick up a FA for one of those positions but doubtful, being that a large piggy bank will be needed to lock up Mauer. Punto/Casilla at 2B and Harris/Valencia at 3B will probably be how it will end up. I don't think it will be that bad. There are a lot of punto haters out there, (I go back and forth) and lots of people are not too high on Harris, but it will have to do. Punto is due for a good year if his on one year, off the next trend continues.

We will, like always, be very very solid defensively. Now with Hardy, we have the possibility of 5, yes, count 'em 5, 30+ HR hitters. Morneau, Mauer, Kubel, Cuddy, and Hardy. It is doubtful, but these 5 should at least put up 125+ Homers. Theirs bat aren't that great (besides Span) but with the speed of Punto, Casilla, Span, and Harris as filler, with this power and speed, the Twins offense will be pretty damn good.

Now, the FO needs to concentrate on 2 things. 1. Mauer extension. 2. Pitching. (Veteran Starter, (Pavano?) and 1 or 2 solid relievers)

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 221

I can't begin to imagine how next year's lineup will look. I feel like I would be giving in to the mediocrity. They need to make at least TWO more deals to change this retched lineup before I can get excited.

The mere thought of having Punto/Harris/Tolbert/Casilla/Buscher get significant playing time is ruining my Friday.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 4:17 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 222

Dre-Dogg, I believe they took Buscher of the 40 man roster and can become free agent. I don't think he's any longer in the Twins plans

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 223

One down, 4 to go!

Well, I guess having Punto as a late inning defensive replacement and Casilla as a pinch runner isn't all bad.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 4:31 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 224

Looking at the webcam 2 late this PM, TF sure looks nice in twilight.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 4:34 PM by luke Highlight this comment 225

Lamb (32), Boone (36), White (34), Nevin (35), Cirillo (37), Everett (31), Offerman (35), Sierra (40), Monroe (31). (#) = Age they joined the Twins.

This list along with some others, is the reason why I think Twins fans look at any move the Twins make with so much skepticism. These are all FA/Trades acquisitions that have not panned out for them. AND THESE ARE ONLY POSITION PLAYERS.

My point, they were all completely washed up, or on the outs of their career. That is why fans need to look at the Hardy deal in a whole new light. He is 27. TWENTY-SEVEN, and only has been in the ML for 5 seasons. This is a completely different move the Twins made then the list above. I loved OC this year, but he is 35.

I am just asking people to maybe look at this one a little differently. This is a big trade.

The last consistent SS the Twins had was Christian Guzman from 99-04. In those 6 seasons, he averaged 6.5 HR's a year. JJ Hardy has averaged 15 HR/Season in his first 5 seasons, and only had 139 PA in 2006. Last time the Twins had a SS hit 15 or more HR in a season was 1979 - Roy Smalley (24). For the record, Greg Gagne hit 14 in '88.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 4:37 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 226

The trade can be either good or a wash, it wont end bad for the twins,,, gomez has nothing and we all know it... span is tha man for cf... im just glad we cut ties with that stupid trade...

I am going to the rummage sale prob buy a sign or somthing nothing flashy

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 5:41 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 227

poor J.J. is going to need a new jersey number. lol

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 7:30 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 228

1.Span
2.Figgons
3.Mauer
4.Morneau
5.Cuddyer
6.Kubel
7.Hardy
8.Young
9.Polanco

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 PM by New Era Highlight this comment 229

Figgins should be priority #1. Polanco would be icing on the cake! If we can't get Chone, Polanco would be an ideal #2 hitter. He NEVER strikes out. Span an him at the top of the line up would be killer.

That said, Figgins would be that much better.

Posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:25 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 230

Ooo... I like New Era's lineup a lot. A good mix of power and scrappy.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 07:52 AM by DeePee Highlight this comment 231

There are some very nice pictures of Target field up at Baseball-Fever. Check them out. I still can't believe we are actually going to get a real ballpark.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 09:02 AM by Tom D. Highlight this comment 232

"It's definitely not a foregone conclusion. In fact, it's very unlikely that the Twins will factor into the race for Figgins at all. Figgins, 31, is expected to be one of the more sought after position players on the free agent market. Many clubs have struggled to find a solid leadoff hitter like Figgins and his skills as a super-utility guy only help increase his value. There have been some estimations that Figgins could possibly receive a five-year, $50 million deal on the market. That's not the type of money the Twins will be looking to spend on an infielder this offseason." - Kelly Theiser

Click name for link to artilce. We aren't getting Figgins anytime soon.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 09:04 AM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 233

haha i'm the same way tom. Even when i see it on tv, seeing a real ballpark and saying wow this is in Minnesotan!

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 09:05 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 234

It sounds like Punto will remain in the lineup somewhere. I'd much rather it be second base and take a lineup like this:

Span
Figgins
Mauer
Morneau
Cuddyer
Kubel
Hardy
Young
Punto

I'd love to see Figgins/Polanco, and I'll be happy if they bring in either, but it seems like one is more plausible. Also Dan Uggla seems like he'll be traded this off-season, we'll see.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 235

here's the link to the full flickr gallery Tom D describes, there are some nice big photos in there...one of them is now my desktop background

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 11:00 AM by deenels Highlight this comment 236

In this particular photo from that Flickr set, you'll notice that the seats on the skybox level directly behind home plate don't have any railings in front of them. In the photo this is the box immediately above the word "WELCOME" on the front of the press box (the word is obscured by the boxes). Why would these seats have no railings while all the others to the right and left do? Is this a special box (like an owners' or guests' box)? Are the railings coincidentally being replaced in the exact middle skybox?

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 11:10 AM by hofflalu Highlight this comment 237

Here is a quote from today's Strib.

"Smith said Hardy will take over at shortstop, replacing free agent Orlando Cabrera. Smith didn’t rule out pursuing a second or third baseman but noted manager Ron Gardenhire’s preference to have Nick Punto in the lineup. Brendan Harris, Matt Tolbert and Alexi Casilla are other versatile infield options."

If we can believe what they say, it looks like Punto at short and rotate Harris and Tolbert at 3rd. Although, I would like to see us bring in both Figgens and Polanco, I would be more than happy to get Figgins or a similar upgrade at third and just make due with a battle for playing time at 2nd with our current crew. We will never reload like the yankees, but adding an everyday 3rd baseman we can count on and some pitching help, will really go a long way.

I like the Hardy trade. I have always liked him and honestly the whole Brewer team went south last year. Some times a young guy like him just gets caught in the same trap. I think he realizes how quickly things change if "you let up a little" or stop doing the things that brought you success in the first place. Only time will tell, but I really have only heard positive things about Hardy.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 238

What on earth is with Gardy's infatuation with Punto? Are they secret lovers or something?

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 239

Anyone doing a demographic study on how many complete idiots reside in the TC metro area need only go town to the dome and estimate the crowd. Complete madhouse.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 240

"down" to the ---

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:11 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 241

If Figgins is really going to end up getting offers around $10 mil a year for five years, you're crazy if you still want him on the Twins.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 242

Ben, are you referring to the garbage sale? I really didn't have any interest, but "to each their own".

Do you have some examples of some of the treasures they had for sale and the prices paid?

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 243

Sounded like there was a huge crowd and some cool stuff that went quick.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 1:11 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 244

I gave up after an hour - the line had not moved for half an hour and stretched over the horizon. Guys coming out said it was shoulder to shoulder inside. My guess would be that most of the "good stuff" (leftover promo items, etc.) vanished quickly. I think e-Bay will be clogged with Twins memorabilia shortly. One interesting thing for me is that I was told they were using average values I publish on the net to price the bobbleheads.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 245

I waited in line for an hour and a half, finally got inside, took a look around, and was out the door in three minutes. All I saw left were some bobbleheads, calendars, media guides, and a couple of random banners (you would have loved them if you're a Marlins fan). A guy leaving the place told us that it was an hour and a half wait inside just to get to the register. It just wasn't worth it.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 2:35 PM by Oaks Highlight this comment 246

I stood in line about 930, and got in at about 1015. It was a nice day...so it wasn't bad.
It actually was very organized I thought. They didn't let everybody in all at once. The line would move, then there would be a lull. The tape recording outside said they did that "to prevent overcrowding."

Inside, I found some stuff that I guess had value to me. I found 3 of the Final Season ticket lanyards they handed out in August. The "Dome Memories" pennant they handed out on Opening weekend 2009. Program for Kirby's memorial as well as Kirby Weekend. Bought another TF calendar just for posterity, as well as the 2009 magnet schedule. Some tables I just went past.

It was crazy in there. You had a couple people bagging things up and it was hard because you had to look over peoples shoulders to see what was there, and then get the attention of people running the tables.

I bought lots of stuff for $1. A couple things for $2. I didn't spend alot...maybe $18. But hey, it was fun.

PS - I also saw the movie "The Fourth Kind" today at Block E. You guys have to go see it. It's a great film.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 3:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 247

The new uniform, logos etc. unveiling is set for the week of November 9th, which is Monday. Anybody know which day it'll be?

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 4:18 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 248

I don't think they'll ever match Rick's photos, but click my name for some snaps of TF that I took today on my way to the Dome. I was happy I got close, without getting kicked out by the G-Men or Kevin Smith or something.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM by luke Highlight this comment 249

My brother the Brewers fan is seriously irate that they traded Hardy. So for that reason I have to give the trade a big thumbs up. Plus it's another ploy to get him to come for a couple of games at TF next year.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 5:47 PM by Badjuggler Highlight this comment 250

I'm hoping the Twins sign Felipe Lopez at 2nd and have Punto split time with Harris at 3rd until they both play average enough and Velancia plays good enough to take over in May or June

Span
Lopez
Mauer
Morneau
Cuddyer
Kubel
Hardy
Young
Punto/Valencia

Or put Hardy batting second and Lopez 8th if Hardy starts the season good.

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 7:45 PM by twinlves Highlight this comment 251

I'd be happy with this line-up...
1.NOT Nick Punto
2.NOT Nick Punto
3.NOT Nick Punto
4.NOT Nick Punto
5.NOT Nick Punto
6.NOT Nick Punto
7.NOT Nick Punto
8.NOT Nick Punto
9.NOT Nick Punto

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 10:16 PM by SnapCrackle Highlight this comment 252

I'd be very happy with this line up for the next ten years

1. X
2. X
3. Joe Mauer
4. X
5. X
6. X
7. X
8. X
9. X

X=anyone besides Nick Punto......PLEASE TWINS! SIGN JOE!

Posted on November 7, 2009 at 10:24 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 253

i got their at like 11 somethings, the way the people were saying what was left, seemed like nothing was but i got a few pennets, and 8 bobbleheads: Mauer, Moneau, Cuddy, Gaetti, Young, Gardy, Gladden, Aguilera

pretty i'd say for "not much will be left"

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 12:49 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 254

also looks like cuddy's option picked up for 2011!

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 12:51 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 255

Sooj - did you have a long wait to get in, or go through at 11-something?
I suppose most went as early as possible.

StarTribune said that 15,000 showed up.

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 08:12 AM by luke Highlight this comment 256

Hey, I'm in 55441 too. :P

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 08:17 AM by Jax Highlight this comment 257

At 11:15 the line had not moved in 45 minutes and was three quarters of the way around the stadium. By that time there was a 60 - 90 minute wait at the checkout and most anything worthy had been grabbed up. Bobbleheads were largely ignored and there are lots of cases left over - probably to reappear at Twinsfest.

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 08:48 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 258

Well at first it moved slow, then as they started saying, "THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 45 MIN-HOUR LEFT OF STUFF" (ok maybe they didn't say stuff but you know) people started leaving, and then sped up, I'd say i waited for me maybe hour and half or so, i don't remember, because i was actually happy to get what i got and just keeping thinking about that. Yea it would of been nice to get like some of those posters i saw people walking out with, but the pennants are cool (i got This is Twins Territory 2009 and a dome home opener) too,plus i grad two of those Win twins/Mauer MVP signs too

But yea it was a long line, My Girlfriend, walk to gate F, and followed the lien all the way to gate A (almost between B and A). What was annoying was a few people, while waiting, made small talk and very smoothly budges in front of us, that was annoying! ok long post done

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 09:43 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 259

oh and the checkout line wasn't too bad, got through it fairly fast, although i think i may have cut people not knowing it because i thought it was just a crowed for more stuff. i was lucky my girlfriend was there to help me carry the two boxes, people had big boxes full of stuff, but i didn't see these boxes to carry shit

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 09:45 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 260

kevin in az-Gardy's bowling ball is named "Little Nicky" for a reason.

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM by john c Highlight this comment 261

I got to the sale around 9am thinking there would be a line, but never did I expect to be standing way back between Gate C and Gate B one hour early.

I did not even attempt to do the "free parking" at the Metrodome lot as I saw numerous cars turning around, I immediately went around the block and found a place on 7th street to park.

The line moved rather quickly once the sale started, as I was in line for approximately 30 minutes to get into the Dome (got in around 10:30 or so). Before I even entered the Dome, people were already carrying out boxes of stuff and banners so I figured the "hot items" were already gone in the first 10 minutes.

The checkout line was a joke, than the Twins finally realized they needed to add some additional cashiers, so that helped. Still ended up waiting in line to check out for almost an hour. The checkout line was backed up to Gate F and than started to curve back towards Gate H again.

I think the Twins did a good job organizing this event, only wish they would have had it on the field at a later date (but that would have been difficult to do since the Vikings have 3 consecutive home games in November). It would have been much better had it been spread out in a larger area.

While I am disappointed I did not get any of the "hot items" I do not regret going as I ended up with some calendars, a Bob Allison bobblehead, construction hard hat, a 1987 print, and some Kirby Pucket HOF pictures.

Things I was hoping to get: military caps (Navy, Army), Mini Metrodome or Met Stadium, Kirby Puckett or Kent Hrbek legends of Dome bobblehead, and a banner or something.

I was amazed by the tons of bobbleheads available, it was ridiculous and I am sure we will be seeing those again at Twinsfest.

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 262

Went down a little before 10 not realizing how many people would be there, and that there would only be one gate. Wasn't able to wait due to other plans, but I'm curious; sounded like there was going to be a college football game going on about the same time, augsburg vs st. johns. Anybody notice that, or know if that's why entrance options were so limited?

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 1:51 PM by robin Highlight this comment 263

I heard that Delmon Young was on the $10 table, but apparently he's still with the team. Guess they couldn't move everything.

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 4:13 PM by Rick 264

HA! I've been in and out of the Delmon camp since the trade, but I think he'll have a solid season this year with the opportunity to start every game. I like our outfield as it stands.

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 4:16 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 265

TK and the gang are doing some moving of their own.

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 7:19 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 266

^^^^^^I like it...

Posted on November 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 267

I heard there was some boxes of the most collectable twins stuff was held aside for a collectables dealer who got to go through the stuff and buy it up before anyone else had the chance to see it. Could that be true. If thats the case then first come first served as advertised was a bunch of junk if the real twins fans never had a chance at the items.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 01:13 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 268

Great. And I suppose this "dealer" is going to sell a whole bunch of good stuff on eBay for really cheap prices - where people who buy them up don't really know their value.

However, I thought I also heard on one of the TV reports that items that didn't go were going to be placed in a Twins museum at TF? Maybe some of that stuff was held aside for that?

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 06:59 AM by luke Highlight this comment 269

I heard that there was twice the amount of collectibles originally, but that the F.O. required roughly a quarter of the inventory be destroyed so that they could charge more for the collectibles that did end up on the rummage sale tables. lower inventory + higher demand = more $$$.

The F.O. also keeps people under the stairs.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 08:33 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 270

I wonder if we will see the new uniforms today! They said the week of November 9th.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 08:42 AM by firedog Highlight this comment 271

Various reports said that Clyde Doeppner got to go through everything long, long ago and pull out things that were of some historical significance. He did not pull these out for his own personal use or for resale, but to make sure that nothing was given or thrown away that has any significance.

Clyde has been featured many times in the media as the guy who saves everything Twins. In one report they jokingly said that whenever the Twins try to throw anything away, they usually discover Clyde going through the dumpster pulling stuff out.

What's nice is that the Twins have sort of taken Clyde under their wing and have started utilizing his help in documenting the history of the club. It is his extensive collection that will likely be drawn on if and when they put together a Twins museum near the ballpark.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 09:34 AM by Rick 272

I'm not going to go very deep into this --- just a few facts:

--- Doepner is THE Guru of Twins artiafcts/memorabilia - he's been grabbing up stuff and dumpster diving since day one and his collection is absolutely fabulous (Google him for a taste)
--- The really nice displays of team items at Twinsfest are all Doepner
--- He has officially become team historian/curator and anything you see at the new park will be his doing
--- He had a great deal to do with the "moving sale" and was there
--- There is at least one memorabilia dealer/seller that Doepner is on particularly good terms with
--- At least one well known memorabilia dealer/collector was observed having access to items at the sale that were not out for the rest of us

If you think this sale was well run and on the level I would like to talk to you about a nice bridge I have out east.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 10:00 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 273

Does that bridge have frozen roller bearings and too-thin gusset plates?

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 274

Clyde gets credit for saving tons of Twins history that Calvin was going to trash when they made the move from Met Stadium. He's also a great storyteller who I sure hope will have a role at TF next year.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 10:39 AM by fiesta Highlight this comment 275

Anyone know what the huge gathering of workers by the flag pole around 11AM today was?

Could it have been a moment of silence for the Fort Hood shootings? or was it some sort of rally or ceremony?

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 276

Here is a short clip of some of Clyde's collection.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 277

Click my name for a 360 degree view of Target Field courtesy of Nathan Berndt over at the Pioneer Press

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 1:39 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 278

brandon,
my guess is that they were being honored for workplace safety (click my name for the link to the twins site with an article)

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 3:54 PM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 279

To all: I have known Clyde for many years now as we both share the TC collector bug. He is one of the greatest guys out there and he would never had allowed any of the "pre-sale" activities that some have mentioned here. I can assure you that he already has at least two of everything that was up for sale on Saturday.

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM by Sammy Highlight this comment 280

That 360 view is very nice to look at.
It won't be long now...

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 07:09 AM by luke Highlight this comment 281

Have we already used up all of our a-ha moments? It seems there aren't many new topics to discuss about Tarj'ey Field.

Is there anything that we thought was going to be part of the ballpark that we either haven't seen yet, or didn't make it?

Also, looking at the overhead shot it will be interesting to see if "Twinsville" will ever take shape in the surrounding neighborhoods.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM by hugh morris Highlight this comment 282

You know what's sad? Mr. Doepner was my driving instructor when I was in high school at Tartan. I had to do 20 hours behind the wheel with him and I was worried about what we would talk about. I didn't know he was such a collector at the time.
Instead we talked about the OJ Simpson trial. UGH.

It is fun to talk to him about anything really.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 1:44 PM by Boof Highlight this comment 283

When I learned to drive we talked about how to drive. Stopping at red lights and signs, staying more than five feet off a guy's bumper, signaling turns and lane changes, right of way, defensive driving - those sorts of things. Talking about sensational trials and/or sports team memorabilia collections may well, at least in part, explain why there are so many complete and utter morons piloting vehicles on the road today.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 2:02 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 284

Well... aren't you better than everybody else Ben. Thanks for the completely unnecessary response to a interesting post.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 2:07 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 285

I love the 360-view of Target Field! Any new pictures of the plaza? Legends Club?

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM by Michael Highlight this comment 286

Looks like they are trying some ads on the ribbon boards.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 3:41 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 287

Welcome to the pariah pool, Ben. Remember, it's OK to have an opinion, as long as it's in line with the lemmings'.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 4:10 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 288

I've known that for quite some time. What I wrote above, however, is not opinion.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 5:25 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 289

A couple issues with the discourse around here.

First off, Ben, I do think that was unnecessarily harsh. Boof was sharing a story about his youth, and you kind of took a dump on him.

Truth- You've got some interesting things to say, but sometimes you say them in an unkind and inconsiderate way.

I think we need to keep in mind that these are human beings who post here. Lets have a little respect for each other.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 5:33 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 290

That's my point duluthtim. Thank you. It's not bad to have an opinion tth, but when you are a jerk online and hide behind you computer monitor, you should be called out. I think it is time for a new thread...I'm sure Rick has something great planned as usual. :)

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 6:06 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 291

tth - it's ok to have an opinion but it's not ok to be a jerk just because you are online and can hide hehind your computer screen. i'm sure you post regularly on startribune.com also...man up!

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 5:28 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 292

I do!

But...time keeps on slippin' slippin' slippin' into the future...

(Fly like an eagle, baby.)

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 6:36 PM by Rick 293

Thanks Jim and Tim.

I never thought about it that way before. I suppose you're right. Here I am, criticizing those who posted because I thought their comments were asinine or ludicrous when, in fact, the real problem was ME. I've spent all these months making points I thought were salient when really I was only making a fool of myself. Starting now, I'm turning over a new leaf. Thanks guys!

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 9:25 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 294

Great video about some exciting new features in the ballpark. Click my name!!

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 9:42 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 295

Love it--Thanks duluthtim :)

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 10:37 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 296

Sorry, did not intend to dump on a guy but rather to comment on a general situation badly in need of repair. Maybe I'll just stick to the really important things like when are they going to mow the grass next or how I just can't wait until ----------------------------- .

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 11:10 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 297

This so very, very strange.

Posted on November 10, 2009 at 11:43 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 298

Meh that's no biggy, DeePee. Everyone know that one of the long term side effects of steroid use is turning former users into the undead.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 12:27 AM by ace Highlight this comment 299

I've heard way too many indefinitive answers elsewhere, so I'll try here - where we can usually get a good dose of truth:

1) Has anyone heard when the LRT station at TF actually opens? I know they're doing the Northstar thing on Saturday, but I'm curious when the LRT will actually start commencing at TF, instead of just running tests,

2) We're mid-week, and nothing has been said about uniform changes. Why is that?

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 07:35 AM by luke Highlight this comment 300

According to WCCO TV last night, Target Field is scheduled for completion in December.

As for the new uniforms, I am hearing Monday, November 16 with an unveiling scheduled at the IDS Tower in Minneapolis. If this is true, I am sure the Twins will release some information yet this week.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 08:38 AM by Mike Highlight this comment 301

Northstar is nov 16th, LRT opens nov 14th

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 10:21 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 302

Does anyone know if the Tradition Wall has been started?

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 303

I dunno if anyone has posted pics of the "art" along the 5th St side of the park (next to the LRT station), but after jogging by it several times, I can give a fair judgement on it:

IT LOOKS LIKE ASS.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 2:29 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 304

"good publicly-funded art"

Pick any two of the three.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 3:03 PM by Rick 305

I have trouble accepting the opinion of somebody who can't spell "judgment." I'll have to check it out myself.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 306

Not picking fights or getting involved in one, I hope, but I thought "judgement" was still an accepted spelling, though getting less common over the years.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 3:30 PM by robin Highlight this comment 307

Judgement is an acceptable variant, and is used often in "British" English.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM by Steve Z Highlight this comment 308

Oh, and TTH is a pseudo-intellectual prick.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM by Steve Z Highlight this comment 309

I actually thought the Art looked pretty good and blended well with that part of the park. I guess as with all art it is subjective.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 310

I think the art looks much nicer in person than it did when they released the first sketches a few months back. My initial reaction was "meh", but I'm warming to it.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 4:02 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 311

Are you talking about the mural made by Craig David because I thought his work looked amazing. Or is there a different artwork I'm unaware of that you're referencing? Also on a side note I was wondering if the Twins have said what local restaurants and breweries will be highlighted at Target Field. All the concession stands pictured thus far look like very generic ballpark fare, and I'm hoping some uniquely Minnesotan eateries will be present. Also I hate Budweiser, so I hope there will be Summit, Premium, Surly, and Schells readily available. Please comment if you know more about that.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 4:03 PM by HebrewHammer Highlight this comment 312

How about Moose Drool? Is it available on tap?

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 313

I haven't seen the finished murals on Fifth Street, but I will say this:

1. They looked better in realization than they did in the conceptual drawings.

2. They are probably better considered as "decorations" rather than "art". In the former capacity, they will serve just fine.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM by Rick 314

I can't say much abaut the fare yet, but I was pretty disappointed in the appearance of the concession stands. Despite picking unique names, they seem to have put up pretty small logo signs and some unattractively utilitarian lettering.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM by Rick 315

Not to steal Rick's thunder - but I attached a blog entry I did about the sale last Saturday. Check it out if you want.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM by luke Highlight this comment 316

thanks luke. nice to see that you are blogging yourself.

i did a kick out of the web address however: "www.luke's discussions.com"

for some reason the first thing that popped into my mind after reading that was the former saturday night live skit called "deep thoughts, by jack handy"!

;-)

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 317

KARE 11 news is going to show a piece on Target Field in a few minutes.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 6:06 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 318

lol...thanks Beta.
When I first started the blog, my non-creative mind couldn't think of anything catchy. So, "lukes discussions" was all I could conjure up. after thinking about it for a bit, I came up with something more creative...I could change the title of the blog, but I kept the URL the same.
Hey, if it reminds ya of an SNL sketch, it must have been ok then...lol.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 6:11 PM by luke Highlight this comment 319

where born sodak?

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM by robin Highlight this comment 320

I'm gonna keep posting these until everyone can learn to get along.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 6:50 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 321

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the veterans, if any are reading this message board. Every time we'll be at Target Field we will lay eyes on the POW/MIA flag. We remember those who never returned, but we also remember those who did, who helped defend the freedoms we often take for granted today. This message board reminds me of one of them: freedom of speech.

Thank you men and women who have served and continue to serve us well.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 322

JohnF, I didn't catch the news at 6:00. Was it worthwhile? Just wondering if I should make an attempt to catch it at 10:00pm, just in case they rerun it. I'm not normally a Kare11 person, but if it is longer than a 30 sec clip about stuff we haven't already seen, I would give it a shot.

I appreciate your input.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 8:00 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 323

Minn55441, It was about a 3 minute spot. Some nice camera angles. Most info that, we here, already know. They did say it was 90% complete. Info that the light aiming will finish tonight. Worth it for the shots of various parts of the park.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 8:39 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 324

New article on the Twins' official site.

"On a tour given to the media on Wednesday, Mortensen Construction executive Dan Mehls said that Target Field is now 94-95 percent complete."

I am assuming the 5% remaining is basically the aesthetic details.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 9:53 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 325

Hey guys! Here's an article on a potential new St. Paul Saints stadium.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 10:05 PM by Wanda Phillips Highlight this comment 326

Kare11 did not rerun the story at 10:00pm, however it is available online. I have attached a link to it.

Posted on November 11, 2009 at 10:43 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 327

TTH --- you are welcome.

One of the big concerns I (and at least a few others) had when the "Old Met" flag pole was still slated to be installed at the far end of the plaza was that the Twins were considering using it for something other than displaying the US flag - at least at times. There was talk of "Twins Territory" flags as well as outright advertising banners. There was also talk of using it to indicate the outcome of the last game. These were real issues at the time and I believe that Rick will have something to say about this whole scenario when he gets around to it. Anyway, I pestered both Matt Hoy and DSP until I got them to say, flat out, that no flag other than that of the US would ever fly from the truck of that pole. I then arranged for the Richfield Legion to present to the Twins, at the proper place and time, their first set of flags, to include appropriately sized US and POW/MIA flags. This may have been a bit of an end-around on my part but I believe it should settle any issue of whether or not the Twins display both flags on the "Old Met" pole.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 328

For the record, all of the stations were there, not just KARE. I actually work for Channel 5, KSTP 5 Eyewitness News, and got the chance to tour Target Field today. We ran stories at 4:30, 6:00, 9:00, 10:00, and 11:00. It was an amazing experience, and I plan to share my photos with Rick in case I shot anything he hasn't covered (which is highly unlikely)

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 01:59 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 329

Ricko over at uniwatchblog.com removed the pinstripes on the road jerseys just to see what it looks like. Click my name.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 10:27 AM by Oaks Highlight this comment 330

I don't have a membership with Sports Business Journal so I'm not able to view the complete article. Click my name or read below.

Twins, U.S. Bank plan ‘touch and go’ pay system at Target Field

Published November 02, 2009 : Page 14
The Minnesota Twins and U.S. Bank are developing a co-branded program for a select number of fans to test a cashless concessions system at Target Field. Twin Cities-based U.S. Bank is a founding partner at the ballpark, which will open in the spring, and has its name on the U.S. Bank …

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 331

Here is WCCO's report from the media tour on Wednesday. Click my name. Got to love the last comment by the weatherman about how shocked he is that there is not going to be a roof.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 332

What a pussy that weather "man" is. He makes Sven look like Jared Allen.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 333

DreDogg just knocked it out of the park.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 11:18 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 334

That weatherman shows his ignorance of both Minnesota climate and the new ballpark. (Yes, SOMETIMES it snows in April. But MOST of the time, it does not. And it will be possible to play a game at TF just a few hours after the end of any given snowfall.)

I think it's partly a lesson in how hard it is to break through preconceived notions in the general public, and also a sign that the Twins have LOTS of work still to do in this department.

By now, every baseball fan in Minnesota should have been made aware of how many games would have been canceled due to weather in the past several seasons (answer: very, very few), that the climate is very similar to Pittsburgh, Detroit and Chicago (all places where they have been playing outdoor baseball for more than a century), and that Target Field has a whole lot of accommodation for fans and the game itself on those occasions when the weather is less than ideal.

I'm not sure whether to fault the Twins' PR department on this, or whether it was a hopeless task. The team seems to have taken the approach that they don't really want to talk about the subject unless somebody brings it up. That's a mistake.

The whole thing may also be fallout from the effort to convince us all that we needed a dome in the first place. You live by the dome, you die by the dome.

Damn dome.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM by Rick 335

Here's the KSTP story. No mention of cold weather here.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 336

Viewing these videos makes me wonder how sick Kevin Smith is of giving the same quotes or explanations from all of the tours he's presided over? Every time I hear him on these video clips, it's always the same stuff repeated. Those of us who know the details are bored with it at this point. Yes, there will be an overhang; yes there will be a sign with shaking hands, blahhhhh.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM by Steeks Highlight this comment 337

New photo gallery up at twinsbaseball.com. Is that Rod's signature on the side of the directional singage. Nice Touch!!

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 338

Earlier today around 11:00 they were testing out the ribbon boards and Cambria's name was all over the place...

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 3:22 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 339

Nice new gallery indeed.

I loved seeing the scoreboards being tested, and that Rod Carew sign has a nice touch with the signature.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 3:55 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 340

TC 34, the TF logo on your video 0:05 seconds in, is that something that KSTP created or is that a new logo for TF?

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM by Eric Highlight this comment 341

Does anybody know what the Twins plan to do at TF with wireless and interactive applications?

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM by crtwinsfan Highlight this comment 342

Very nice photo gallery indeed.
I like the second to last photo of the scoreboard testing, and the presence of the "Twins O Gram" in the bottom right hand corner. Nice homage to the Met Stadium scoreboard.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 4:18 PM by luke Highlight this comment 343

On the new gallery pics. I hope they keep that color scheme for the big scoreboard. Instead of black it appears to be a dark green background with white and yellow lettering and numbers. The color combo reminds me of Wrigley.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 344

Well said, Rick - I saw that WCCO broadcast with that weasel weather-guy live, and about lost it.

I think no matter how hard the Twins try, they're not going to get past this, especially with the national media. Every national media person seems to assume that because it's 'Minnesota' the weather's always bad. "How can they play outdoors, I mean c'mon, it's MINNESOTA," you always hear. Very few of these people seem to realize that we do indeed have summer, and absolutely none of them seem to remember that the Twins played outside for 20 years before the dome and did just fine.

When Cleveland got all of that snow to start the season a few years ago, it was deemed newsworthy because it was such an unusual event. If that ever happens here, it will be statistically just as unusual, but you can bet the media slant will be, "well, what did they expect - it's Minnesota!"

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 4:30 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 345

. . . another quick note:

I like the LED board above the bullpens - didn't know that was planned. Logical place to show the pitch counts.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 4:35 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 346

I just noticed this, but I like the idea of the LED board above the ticket windows.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 5:08 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 347

There are always going to be people who doubt the concept of an open air ballpark. No matter how often and how loudly you point out how few rainouts, delays, and cold weather games there would actually be.
Why let it upset you? They're going to find out that the world isn't going to come to an end and that the Twins will get their games in with no significant scheduling problems. We've discussed ad nauseum their concerns - perceived as legitimate or not. The die has been cast and open air stadium supporters have what they want. There's no going back at this point. Your preference has been chosen.

Why let the doubters get to you? There's nothing they can do to change things at this point. Just let it go.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 7:11 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 348

The uniforms, etc. will officially be unveiled on Monday per the Star Tribune.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 8:44 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 349

Because, Winona Mike, I think there's more at stake here than fans from Western MN learning over time that their trip all the way to Mpls won't be waste. Media perception has a way of becoming reality, and I don't think young free-agent baseball players are immune to buying into perception. If a potential free agent thinks MN is too cold, and then ends up in Cleveland or Detroit - that's a problem. We all heard what Mike Cameron said earlier this year - no doubt other players feel similarly.

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 9:29 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 350

Wondering if someone can assist with a 3rd baseline seating question: how far does the overhang extend over the lower level seats?

I'm specifically looking at section 121 which has a total of 24 rows.

Thank you.

K

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 10:31 PM by Kramer Highlight this comment 351

I can relate to your concern, Expectorate. I've wondered about the impact of climate on Viking free agent signing should they move outdoors. But perhaps we're over-estimating its significance.
If the Twins are looking to sign a reliable free agent - someone whose been through the baseball wars and will provide needed experience - the chances are good that he's been to Minnesota during most parts of the baseball season. He would have had to have experienced the outdoors here, if only going from the airport to the bus, the bus to the door of the hotel, back to the bus, into the stadium, off hours between games, etc, etc. If he's a sentient being, he'll have experienced a Minnesota spring, summer, and/or fall.
Besides that, most posters here have expressed a desire for outdoor Viking football. Yet no one at this site seems to be terribly concerned about whether a free agent or draft choice, most likely raised in the south, would be put off by Minnesota's fall and winter weather. I'm sure players would find cold weather (even colder during football season) just as undesireable as everyone else. Yet there's no weight given to the notion that the weather will scare them off. I can't imagine baseball players being less hearty than football players.

I don't think you have anything to worry about.

Geez, did all that make any sense?

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 11:09 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 352

Eric... that was something our graphics department created a couple of months back. It's not the official logo or anything

Posted on November 12, 2009 at 11:57 PM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 353

Winona Mike,

Free agents will go where ever they feel they have the best chance of success, both in football and baseball, no matter the potential weather. Look at Reggie White going to the Packers or the free agents that line up to sign with the Patriots, both late season cold weather locations. Look at Eli Manning, born and raised in New Orleans. He shunned San Diego, one of the best weather locations in the U.S. for New York, cold weather location, because he thought he could be more successful in New York.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 07:45 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 354

FA's will like Target Field better, as there is no artificial turf. Whether or not the latest field turf that was in the dome actually did damage to knees is yet to be known. However, there is always that perception in FA's minds that artificial turf = shitty knees.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 08:22 AM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 355

Kramer - I was told by my ticket rep that anything Row 8 or back should be under the canopy.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 09:23 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 356

Just curious, TTH, you didn't mean row 18, did you? Or do the club canopies go down that far to kind of shade you? I know that 121 and other 3rd base side side sections are supposed to get a lot of sun.
thanks

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 09:41 AM by robin Highlight this comment 357

Kramer - if you're talking about sec 121, and the overhang created by the LC seating above, I think you're actually OK until about row 16 - 17. Check out the second-to-last rendering in the gallery I posted - it's a cross section along 1st base, but 3rd base should be similar.

Perhaps you're referring to the canopy over the upper deck, TTH?

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 09:45 AM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 358

Is anyone else ready for a new posting on this site? Also, why is there new video update on the MN Ballpark Authority website? The most current video is from September, it's now the middle of November. Finally I asked before but never really got a definitive answer, does anyone know what MN based food and beer concessions will be highlighted at the new park? I'm already disgusted that somehow Budweiser got the naming rights for the roof deck, so I'm really hoping MN breweries are well represented at the park.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 10:43 AM by HebrewHammer Highlight this comment 359

What time is that uniform unveiling at the IDS this Monday? I work by there and was going to head down but I can't find anywhere what time it is occuring. Thanks!

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 11:02 AM by Robert Highlight this comment 360

My bad. I was talking about the upper deck. Didn't mean to confuse or mislead.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 361

HebrewHammer - When we know about the food/beer, you'll know. Budweiser got the rights because they have money. Lots of it.

Most parks have Miller or Bud as the corporate brand, but it doesn't mean local stuff won't be served.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 11:25 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 362

I saw at least one "Brews of Twins Territory" stand during the tour, but I'm sure there are a few more. All the Premium, Summit, and other regional beers you can drink!

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 11:27 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 363

Dave St. Peter wrote a blog about the food options. Check out the link

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 11:32 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 364

I believe it will be at noon on Monday.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 365

Northstar train event at Target Field...

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 12:43 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 366

Thanks OG Jeff for the link. That Northstar event actually looks pretty interesting. :)

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 1:30 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 367

I'll be there! (Though it doesn't look like I'm going to get to ride the train this time...)

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 1:38 PM by Rick 368

Are the seats behind homeplate that are in the second deck wood seats or just a tan colored seat? I cant really tell anymore if I like the look!

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 3:21 PM by JoJo Highlight this comment 369

Great photo set of Target Field. Click my name for the link

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 3:25 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 370

Great set. Saw some things I hadn't seen before. Apparently the team isn't so tight-lipped about the publication of "A-ha!" photos.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 3:30 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 371

Trippy, man. I had never heard about this.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 3:34 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 372

This from an email I received from the Twins today:

TWINS TO UNVEIL NEW LOOKS FOR INAUGURAL SEASON AT TARGET FIELD

Join us as the Twins unveil their new uniforms for 2010.
You're invited to join the Twins at the IDS Crystal Court on Monday, November 16 at Noon to witness the unveiling of new uniforms and logos to be used throughout the Inaugural Season at Target Field.

Players Scott Baker and Denard Span will model new uniforms to be worn by Twins players on the Home Opener at Target Field and at all Saturday home games as well as a new road uniform. New team marks will also be shown for the first time. The Twins Inaugural Season collection will be available on twinsbaseball.com and Twins Pro Shops starting Monday, November 16.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 4:44 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 373

This from an email I received from the Twins today:

TWINS TO UNVEIL NEW LOOKS FOR INAUGURAL SEASON AT TARGET FIELD

Join us as the Twins unveil their new uniforms for 2010.
You're invited to join the Twins at the IDS Crystal Court on Monday, November 16 at Noon to witness the unveiling of new uniforms and logos to be used throughout the Inaugural Season at Target Field.

Players Scott Baker and Denard Span will model new uniforms to be worn by Twins players on the Home Opener at Target Field and at all Saturday home games as well as a new road uniform. New team marks will also be shown for the first time. The Twins Inaugural Season collection will be available on twinsbaseball.com and Twins Pro Shops starting Monday, November 16.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 374

We've seen most of this, but there are some nice pictures nonetheless.

Notice the final photos: On the third to last one is a very good look at the logo that will be unveiled Monday (the big one in the upper left is the new primary). In the last one you can see logos, etc. going on the outfield wall.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 6:33 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 375

Oops. Didn't realize the link I had just clicked above was the same. Great photos indeed.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 6:34 PM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 376

I guess that was the point I was driving at, FC Alum. Players will sign with the club that gives them the best chance at winning. You probably articulated the point better than I did. I guess if players wanted to avoid cold weather, they wouldn't be signing with the Yankees, thus avoiding all those cold World Series games.
If the Twins offer serious, good faith packages to prospective signees, they will overcome any weather related concerns free agents may be harboring.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 7:32 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 377

By the way, When I log on to the site, there isn't any way to post. Once the facebook section was moved to the position following posts, the comment feature disappeared. I have to open a new tab and log on to the same site again in order to post. Does anyone else have this problem as well? Does anyone know what might be causing this? I'm running Windows Vista, and until the facebook feature was moved, I had no problems leaving comments.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 7:35 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 378

Yeah Winona, I have the same problem. I just refresh the page.
I'm pretty sure Rick is well aware of it - and that he has a master plan to fix it.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 7:58 PM by luke Highlight this comment 379

Get a mac ;)

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 7:59 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 380

Winona Mike,

I had to make a change to get rid of some of the comment spam bots which were hitting the site pretty heavily, driving up my bandwidth costs (which I certainly wouldn't mind if it were really people who wanted to look at the site). By the way, if you need any, ahem, personal male enhancement, the site gets about 1000 links per day. I'll forward them to you if you don't mind spyware, viruses, and other various forms of computer maladies...

You don't see any of those because of a few little routines I put in place. They work pretty well, wouldn't you say?

Anyway, I just changed it back and we'll see if I've shaken off any of the annoyers in the meantime.

By the way, you REALLY shouldn't be using IE. Download Firefox. Or Opera. Or Chrome. Or anything else.

IE is bad mojo and it makes web developers go insane. (Your problem is actually due to the way IE handles cookies. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Not you, Winona Mike, but IE! Damn defaults. The same thing is causing you to not get the benefit of the tabbed comment interface until after you refresh your page.) The best thing that could happen for the web is if IE simply disappeared from the face of the earth. Forever. And was wiped from all of our memories with one of those "Men In Black" flasher things.

I hate IE. More than the Yankees.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 8:28 PM by Rick 381

Firefox rules...

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 8:31 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 382

Oh cripes... if we have to go through the whole weekend with people posting their favorite web browsers, so help me God.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 9:07 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 383

on Opera, you don't get the tabbed comments interface until you refresh either :(

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 9:08 PM by deenels Highlight this comment 384

This evening I spent an hour or so chatting with Frank Quilici in my studio. He needs some video work done for a product he invented called the Accubat.

Great guy. Fun conversation. How many times do you have a business meeting which includes a search for a baseball in order to do some demonstration grips?

Plus, he showed Noah his AL Champ ring from 1965! When he said he'd played in the World Series, Noah (age 4) asked, "Who did you play against?" When Frank told him it was the Dodgers, he immediately asked, "Well, who won?"

Frank didn't skip a beat, and told a couple of great stories, including some about Charlie Manuel, who he managed with the Twins (all bat, no glove).

I invited him to stop by this site, and he told me to check out TwinsTrivia.com, where he has been interviewed.

Posted on November 13, 2009 at 9:27 PM by Rick 385

So judging by the email that Mike got, the Twins will only be unveiling an alternate home jersey and a new road jersey? If so, that sucks. I was hoping for entirely new sets all around...

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 02:00 AM by Oaks Highlight this comment 386

I'm happy it will just be alternate... I like the current home uni's but I wouldn't be surprised to see the updated font on them.

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 05:55 AM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 387

Parked in the 5th st ramp today for a show at 1st ave, saw the plaza and upper deck seats so beautiful 149 days! well bedtime now!

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 08:12 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 388

Interesting looking at those MPR photos to see the obstructed view seats in the right field corner. Man, if you sit on the far right side of that section, you'll see nothing in all of left and center field. BAD seats!

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 08:16 AM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 389

I received the same uniform message, but what I got out of it was this:

* They'll model off a new alternate home to be worn on Opening Day and Saturday home games like the one from this past season.

* There will be a new road uniform.

* Then, there WILL be a new home uniform, but it sounds like it'll just be the new wordmark.

From what I've seen/heard, the alternate will be beige and the road will have no pinstripes and a "Minnesota" script.

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 08:51 AM by Twins Territory Highlight this comment 390

I have seen the light!
I have always liked the LRT here in the Cities. I was there the day it first opened. I was there shortly after they extended it to MOA and the airport later that year.
Today, I was going to do some shopping at MOA, and knowing that the TF station was open at 4am, I was gonna take the whole line from start to finish. I knew the Northstar stuff wasnt gonna start when I left at 7:30, but by the time I got back, it would be bustling at the intermodal station. I actually went inside the TF station before boarding my 7:45 LRT train. It really looks nice inside. I always wondered how to get down to the Northstar tracks. Today I found out.
Once inside the intermodal, there are two long escalators ( similar to the one at the X)on either side, and a stairwell, that might remind some of the stairwell Populous put in at TCFBS. TF is very similar to the LRT station at the MOA. Once down the stairs or the escalator, turn to the right, and the station is right there.

When I returned from my shopping excursion, I returned to the TF station to find tons of people. Inside the intermodal was a zoo. People waiting for the tours and their return trips for those who won inaugural ride tickets last month. Outside the intermodal, there were lots of tents set up. Inside, was a nice display of the rail history here in the Cities - the streetcar era. And tons of information on the Northstar line. I did not go on the tour. When I got there, at about noon-ish, there was an hour and a half wait for a tour. No thanks.

I know some had previously discussed the Northstar opening today, so I thought I'd give a first-hand account.

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM by luke Highlight this comment 391

Thanks Luke! Can't wait to see it for myself.

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 2:59 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 392

Duluth...click my name for a Flickr set of my pics. Pictures are worth 1000 words.

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 3:07 PM by luke Highlight this comment 393

This morning I bused down to the U and bought a ticket to SDSU game on the 40 yd line, lower deck, for $10, including tip. Only a couple minutes after kickoff. I realized it was the last home game and I hadn't enjoyed the new stadium yet. I don't think I'll wait till the last game at Target Field to get down there next season.

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM by robin Highlight this comment 394

Added four more pictures I had forgotten.
I hear that KMSP tonight on the 9pm newscast will do a ride-along with the Northstar.

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 5:46 PM by luke Highlight this comment 395

I wish I had a light rail option out 394. I want to avoid parking costs. I'm sure I could park and ride at Ridgedale but the last one on that route currently leaves downtown just after 10 pm. I hope they'll plan to accomodate TF better next year. I guess we'll see!

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 396

Nice pics Luke. Thanks!

Posted on November 14, 2009 at 6:49 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 397

Nice photos from the mpr site. But one photo that I saw the one by the foul pole in right field I noticed something that I had not seen before. The bench seats in that section are slightly lower than the seats to the right of it and also there railngs along that one side next to the bench seats. Now is it just the angle the photo was taken that makes it look like the bench seats in that area could have some major obstructed views of the outfield in like the left and center field areas. It would be hard to say since I dont know how much lower the bench seats are than the seats to the right of them and when you consider you could have people of various heights sitting in those seats to the right of the bench seats im thinking from what I could see you might not be able to see much of some parts of the outfield. I would hate to try and buy seats in that area if theres going to be significant obstructed views from those seats. Might anyone here know what the views from those seats might be like?

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 05:00 AM by Leroy Highlight this comment 398

While watching the (Gophers) hockey game last night Fox did a blurb about a show they have on TF coming up this Monday at 10 PM - what caught my attention was they said they would highlighting " everything from blah, blah, blah, to the old Met flag pole --- ."

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 09:21 AM by Ben Highlight this comment 399

Click My name for link. This was posted over at baseball fever by Lafferty Daniel. I think Lafferty is a poster here IIRC, but I am not sure it made it over here. Its a vid of WCCO Radio's Dave Lee taking a walking tour of the stadium. If it has been posted before, then sorry for posting it again.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 09:38 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 400

Nice video..Thanks for sharing..

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 11:06 AM by Steve Highlight this comment 401

Here is a pick of the out of town scoreboard being tested. Click my name.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 2:45 PM by Jeff Highlight this comment 402

hopefully the scoreboard will work better than this website!

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 403

Despite Kev's dissention Jeff, I think those are great pics.
Thanks for posting.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM by luke Highlight this comment 404

jared - i hear the name dave lee and all i can think is YUCK! wish there was a way for ray christensen to still be the play-by-play voice for gophers football and basketball. he was THE GUY for 50+ years. he truly was one of the best. such a great voice and ability to call plays fluidly. i understand ray was getting up there in age (he is in his mid-80's now), so it was time to move on. but man did learfield sports properties (they own the radio rights to a bunch of college football/basketball programs around the country) errr when they decided it was a good idea to bring a true hack like dave lee in as the new play-by-play guy. he is one of the worst radio announcers ever. it is like listening to a blind man calling a game when he is on air.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 4:58 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 405

Betaband,

It's amazing how the Twin Cities sports radio play by play has gone from one of the best markets to one of the worst. Just think at one time we had Al Shaver calling the North Stars, Ray calling Gopher football and basketball, Herb Carneal calling the Twins, Joel McConnell calling the Vikings. Now they have Dave Lee (by far the WORST of all of them today), Paul "Screaming" Allen doing the Vikings - just shut up and call the damn game, Gordon (almost as bad as Dave Lee) doing the Twins and missing pitches left and right. I guess the only saving grace is Bob Kurtz doing the Wild - too bad the team sucks though.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 5:14 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 406

Gordon is TERRIBLE..Most games I enjoy having a ear bud in listening while at the game..Try it sometime...You would swear he was watching a completely different ballgame...

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM by Steve Highlight this comment 407

Beta and Kevin,
I will have to take your word on this. I am originally from South Dakota and couldn't have told you who Dave Lee was at the time I posted. I personally grew up around MN sports in So Dak but never really listened to any of it on the radio (other than Twins games) because they usually weren't broadcast in our area. In the short time I have been in the MPLS area I have heard good things about Mr. Christensen but not much other than that. Even if I had heard Mr. Lee i couldn't make a good comparison because the others were simply before my time here.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 6:08 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 408

I stopped by TF on my way to the Vikings game this morning and took some pictures. The cables are now almost completely installed on the south side (plaza side) of the B Ramp. I know it has been discussed many times, but what exactly are they going to install? A moving windscreen type of thing?

I have attached a link to the photos. I stopped by a couple of weeks ago and got some great shots of the plaza, looking out the south side of the B ramp. Now that the cables are installed, you can see that the days of taking photos from the B Ramp are about done. There is a cable running the full height of the ramp every 3 or 4 inches apart.

By the way, I was approached by Security and told "NO Photo's". He looked like he wanted to try and take my camera away. I really don't understand the problem with someone taking an interest in the construction. Now, if I had spray paint in my hand or if I looked like I was going to hop the fence that is another matter. But a middle aged guy, just taking some pictures? Give me a break.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 7:34 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 409

minn55441,

You're a security breach....on your knees, hands behind your back...RIGHT NOW!

What a crock. Next time go down there with a box of Dunkin' Donuts and I'm sure you'll be able to take all the pics you want.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 7:40 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 410

minn55441,

I think this was posted a while back, but here's another look at that wind veil you were asking about.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 7:54 PM by DuluthTim Highlight this comment 411

kevin in az,

What kind of troubles are you having with the site?

Just so y'all know, I'm working on this site almost every waking moment these days, despite not posting anything new. You'll see the result very soon. (I'm also trying to do my other two primary occupations in the cracks, with a Christmas rush underway and a major event scheduled for next Sunday. Going a little crazy here...)

I'm also letting a little time pass because I always get depressed at the end of the season anyway, especially one in which the Bombers walked away with the hardware. And it doesn't help that, just like minn55441, I always feel like I'm some sort of public enemy for taking a few snaps of a construction site from a parking ramp. Hey, ABC security! Lighten up! You're harshing our new ballpark buzz. If somebody's taking a piss in a corner, that's one thing. But those who are merely capturing a few photons for fun aren't going to stay long, and probably won't leave any stink behind.

But speaking of harshing, if you haven't already looked at the new MPR photos, be sure to do so. You will start to get a feel for one of the major issues which is going to crop up in April: obstructed views. In the outfield, this is quite possibly going to be a MAJOR problem. Maybe not right away, but eventually people will start to grumble as the newness wears off. While it looks like the Twins are going to dodge the "railing height" bullet, there's not much they can do with the shape of those outfield stands. Lots of fans sitting out there will not be able to see three outfielders.

Also, I'm increasingly depressed that the TF seating bowl dimensions, while mostly better than the Metrodome, are turning out to be nearly identical to all the recent HOK/Populous projects. This started with my research on Citizens Bank Park, which turned out to be way more discouraging than I realized when I last wrote about it. TF doesn't LOOK like a cookie-cutter, but I'm beginning to fear that it is one.

On a happier note, more trains! (I've got some pictures to, and an account of watching a freight train pass with Jerry Bell.)

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM by Rick 412

MiNN55441-
I have been down there many times and only on my most recent visit (late Oct.) was I approached by a security guard. We were on our way out of the stadium end of B ramp and he followed us down the stairwell until he caught us, asking us if we were lost. I am sure via the security cameras our walking between windows of the 5th or 6th level elevator lobby were a little suspicious but I was just showing the girlfriend where our seats were and i told him that. Not sure if he bought it but he sure spooked my girlfriend.

By the way, the image linked in my name appears to be the first of the tradition wall (or some other type of glass wall that appears as if it were the tradition wall) that I have seen. Great catch!

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 8:11 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 413

thanks Tim.

I remember seeing the video, but that is just the wind that is causing the image, correct? I thought, at one time that the one installed on the B ramp would would some how include a logo or image. I may have read it someplace else, but I thought I remember that special lighting would be installed that would be programed to show specific images.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 8:12 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 414

Hey Rick,
A couple of questions for you.

"While it looks like the Twins are going to dodge the "railing height" bullet, there's not much they can do with the shape of those outfield stands. Lots of fans sitting out there will not be able to see three outfielders."

1) how have they dodged the railing height issue? Last I heard they were modifying the terrace level railing because of sightline issues. I happen to have seats in the terrace level. Did they make some changes and if so what type of changes. It is hard to tell what is going on inside the park with any detail using the webcam. Have they made changes to any other railings in the park?

2) I agree that the seats in section 139 (I believe that is the one from the MPR photo) are really obstructed view. Not a good option if you really want to watch the game. I would think that they would be among the last seats taken for any game(sellout only seats). As a percentage of the total 40,000 how many would you consider really obstructed view? That section probably has 10 rows of 20 seats that are really bad. The rest you could probably struggle through a game. How many other spots are as bad as this? Is it all of the out field sections?

From the seat selection viewer and the early photos, I always thought that the terrace level looked pretty close to the action. After looking at the 360 degree view from home plate, I now think my seats are way up there. I may want to make a change for 2011, but then again you never know until your butt is in the seat.

By the way, don't let any of us get under your skin. 98% of us think you are doing a great job with the site. I'm sure it will live on well beyond the completion of the ballpark and for many seasons to come.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 8:52 PM by minn55441 Highlight this comment 415

I just noticed something, in watching the MPR video. The wood walls with the Puckett/Carew silhouettes are actually the back wall of the bar area. Pretty cool. It will look nice with some top-shelf placed on those ledges. That is a feature I didn't catch in previous pictures.

Posted on November 15, 2009 at 9:43 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 416

for anyone wondering what the target field wind veil might concieveably look like once finished this is a pretty good video. try and imagine a windy afternoon with the sun out. from a parking garage in north carolina. kinda cool.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:26 AM by Betaband Highlight this comment 417

I just realized that they'll have a concession stand for the plaza area located under the Metropolitan Club.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 06:52 AM by MB Highlight this comment 418

Not sure if this is exactly how the TF wind veil will be but I think this gives another good angle (view) at the possible functionality and I imagine it will be similar to this.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM by Jared Highlight this comment 419

Unveiling of uni's is at noon. The caps aren't changing. There is a new "alternate": Red bill w/ Navy top.

The road uni's are grey with cursive "Minnesota". I'm gonna keep the home unis a suprise for you boys. :)

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 420

Rick, what do you mean by cookie cutter dimensions of the seating bowl? The same number of rows? Seats per row? I guess to me, that is one thing that can't change much from park to park. They all have the same mission. But I've been to a number of new parks, including Citzens Bank, and they all feel different to me

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 11:08 AM by TC 34 Highlight this comment 421

WIND VEIL

Those videos of the wind veil's are great. I thought that we were going to have team branding on this veil though? I think if it is similar to these videos it would be an iconic feature of the park.

My question is, with hundreds of these cables flapping in the wind, is it noisy? Seems to me that to make those kind of movements it would create a lot of unwanted noise on the plaza. Anyone have info on that?

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 11:16 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 422

Here is a couple excerpts of comments on that wind veil youtube video.

"its too loud"

"there is a tall office building near me that has this on its lower levels, you cant hear it over the city noises"

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 423

New unis:

http://shop.mlb.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=3915293

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:12 PM by David Z Highlight this comment 424

The road and alternate unis look great.
The home ones, are ho-hum. Pretty much the same.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:18 PM by luke Highlight this comment 425

Hmm...

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 426

The road jerseys are cool.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 427

Brandon T-
There are a number of youtube vids out there that i saw with variations of this type of wind veil. They are from various distances from the veil itself and it would seem that there is a hum at the least. how noticeable that will be would depend on the type of attachments to the cables and wind strength. Some of the ones i saw were noticeably louder than others but over the course of a baseball game I cannot imagine it would be too bad. For people living in that area, i cannot imagine that it would be any more noticeable than regular downtown noises.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 428

I keep reading that the Twins are unveiling their 2010 road uniforms and 2010 logo - does this mean that the road uniform will return to the pinstripes in 2011? I assumed that these were permanent fixes, but I keep seeing "2010 road uniforms" instead of "new road uniforms".

That said, I like all three. I'm glad they kept the standard home uniform with pinstripes. Bright white and red. Perfect. The logo is a nice update, too.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM by downwithyankees Highlight this comment 429

downwithyankees: I think they are indefinite rather than just this year. As you know with all uni's with the exception of the Yanks, none are ever permanent.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM by DeePee Highlight this comment 430

I think the coolest thing that will set the wind veil apart and make it different from these videos we are seeing is it's supposed to be lighted and will let off a really cool red look with LED lights and everything. I can't find a video on YouTube of a similar lighted wind veil, but that should look really cool.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:44 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 431

Has to be the same designer:



Clearly the blue font/red outline is on the roads is a node to the original 1960s font combo.

Buy why... why are they keeping the sleeveless!

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM by Tim12 Highlight this comment 432

The Star Tribune illustration shows them wearing the M cap at home with the alternate Blues, and wearing the new cap with the red bill on the road.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 433

I agree, they should have gotten rid of the sleveless vests. The only pitcher who regularly chooses the sleveless is Liriano.

I think four jerseys are too many for home (primary whites, 1961 throwbacks, blue alternate, and sleveless whites)

I am surprised to see the "M" cap going to the blue alternate jersey.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:01 PM by Mike Highlight this comment 434

Just found this in the Star Tribune comments...why don't they just make Mauer the GM of the team?

New road caps

They said at the unveiling that the M cap is mostly gone. Mauer wanted to keep it since that is what he grew up with, so they will use is sparingly..

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:02 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 435

minn55441,

Railing heights have been adjusted for sightline issues in spots. I haven't been able to get confirmation on any more detail than that. I'm sure the team is sensitive to giving the impression that railings could be an issue anywhere. That may be why it's been kept rather quiet. (We were tipped by a very quick mention in a Ballpark Authority construction update, which is a public document.)

The outfield seating problems are inherent to the site, and the need to build everything right on top of the field. I don't think they could have done better in the design, but I think they could do much better in the setting of expectations. These won't be TERRIBLE seats, unless you go there expecting to see the whole field, which you won't be able to do.

For example, I don't believe there is a single seat in the upper deck of the outfield which will be able to see a play at the wall directly beneath them. And while most ballparks have SPOTS like that, it generally affects seating with much lower pricing. The price of a ticket is one way in which expectations are set.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:02 PM by Rick 436

TC 34,

When I got a look at some actual dimensions of Citizen Bank Park, then a scale drawing, and overlaid it with TF, they were about 95% identical. That is, the height and distance from the front row of each deck to the playing field, the rake of the stands, and even (roughly) the shape of the bowl.

The biggest difference between TF and CBP is that the upper deck here does not extend nearly as far up as it does there. But the rows we do have match CBP almost exactly.

You are right that there are distinct differences, and each park will have a different feel because there are many more factors which go into how a fan will perceive the park.

But I've come to the conclusion that the main grandstand of TF is probably no more "intimate" than any other recent HOK ballpark (still studying NYS, Citi, and Nationals, but first glances are the same). In fact, they are nearly identical. (And, for what it's worth, the upper deck fans at TF will be almost exactly as far from the plate as they were back at the Dome.)

There are good reasons for this, of course. And it's an improvement over the Dome for many other reasons, but distance from the action is not one of them. And I don't think you should sell a ballpark as something it's not. In terms of "intimacy" as measured by pure distance from the action, it looks like you will get almost exactly the same experience in Philly, New York, Washington, St. Louis, San Diego, and now Minneapolis.

Thankfully, there are other elements of the ballpark to set it apart. But the main grandstand seating bowl is not one of them. (The outfield, as mentioned, is very different from other recent parks, but that's not necessarily a good thing from a fan perspective.)

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM by Rick 437

They should have ditched the sleeveless and came out with a blue alternate of the new road jersey.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:18 PM by Tim12 Highlight this comment 438

Just got back from the uni unveiling at Crystal Court with my 4-year old. Couple of observations. Dick Bremer is too tan for November. DSP has a mini-mullet. And the road unis look great but remind me vaguely of Detroit's. Still love them and really love the home alternate. And my son got a Target Field sticker handed to him by Wally the Beer Man (will Wally still be around when he can hand my son a beer in 16 years?)

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:20 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 439

My seats are in centerfield next year and I love the fact that I'll be right on top of the action. I could care less if I can't see like 2 percent of the field.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:23 PM by New Era Highlight this comment 440

New Era,

Think more like 15% (unless you're in the front row).

I have some seats for a few games out there as well (front row of the Trap). That's what got me interested in figuring this out in the first place.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:30 PM by Rick 441

Anyone know when the new gear will be in the Twins Proshops?

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM by trosy29 Highlight this comment 442

Red sleeveless, with blue and white TC logo on the upper left chest, and blue stitching on the sleeves and down the buttons. Worn with the new navy and red cap. Is that too much to ask?

Cutting the sleeves off of one jersey, and calling it another is an awful idea.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 1:42 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 443

My report card:

New road unis: A
New home alternates(white): B+ (why alternate?)
New home unis: D (WTF? Do we still play in 1991 at the Metrodome?)
Blue home alternates: D (Hooray for our Metrodome years!)

Caps: D (no changes? Seriously? I love the TC, but to not drop the M or come up with a new version of it? Really? If the Twins want to increase revenue and licensing, they should at least consider these things)

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:02 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 444

The Twins were offered around 35 different cap options for their 2010 unis by New Era. In the end...mgmt decided to stick with the same caps.

What's ironic is that the person(s) making these decisions in the Twins organization have little background or understanding of branding or product design.

No wonder the Twins haven't been able to get Majestic and/or New Era to agree to do branded stores inside the stadium...many of the on-field uniform producers treat the Twins like a farm team for a reason.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:08 PM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 445

Trosy - some of it has shipped. Caps ship to stores Wednesday. New logo'd items like shirts, etc will be arriving later this week.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:09 PM by the uniform bird Highlight this comment 446

I think that the team shop at TF has been branded as the "Majestic Twins Team Shop." Too bad they didn't insist on dropping the pixie vest as part of the deal.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM by fiesta Highlight this comment 447

Buffalo-
Good Point. The lighting all over the plaza (including the wind veil and even the bat topiaries) should be great. From all the lights, video boards and shaking hands going off when a homer is hit i can't imagine anyone within visual range of TF couldn't tell someone hit a homer. Could be like an acid trip on the plaza ;)

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:26 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 448

Sorry for the double post, I forgot to include these points.

I too wish they would do away with the sleeveless home jersey's but i like the blue alternates and the new versions.

Also, wasn't the plan to open the plaza (and potentially the team store) sometime soon. Obviously that would depend on the progress but i thought a tentative date thrown around was sometime this November. Anyone remember or have new info?

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:29 PM by Jared Highlight this comment 449

"New logo'd items like shirts, etc will be arriving later this week."

Ridgedale Pro Shop has the new jerseys, started selling them at 10 AM this morning.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM by David Z Highlight this comment 450

There is going to be an Under the Lights special on Target Field tonight at 10 pm on FSN.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM by NewGuy Highlight this comment 451

I get the feeling that the players had some input, which is good in a way. But they definitely are not marketing/graphics wizards. DSP said that Mauer wanted to keep the 'M' hats. And I bet some pitchers liked the pixie vests, especially when it gets hot and muggy in August (the Twins are apparently moving outdoors next year!!)

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 2:43 PM by Elston Gunn Highlight this comment 452

OG Jeff, I have to disagree with your about no major changes in the regular home unis. I like the fact they are essentially unchanged since 1987. It lends contuinty across generations. Look at the most storied franchises, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Cardinals, Cubs, Tigers, etc. Other than some minor tweaks over the years (pull over versus button downs, etc.), they look the same. If you're a Brewers fan from the 70s, you're looking at a totally different uniform today and I think it's a shame. So a minor tweak of the home unis seems just right to me.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 3:49 PM by Faber College Alum Highlight this comment 453

Rick - there is one major difference between the main seating bowls of TF and CBP - at CBP, the club level seating is ABOVE the private suites; at TF it's the opposite. Club seating is theoretically closer to the field at TF, which is something the Twins ticket office has definitely touted.

I think all parks look smaller/more confined when you're there in person - to me, they always look bigger on TV.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 4:02 PM by Expectorate Highlight this comment 454

Boy, oh boy! Nice to see the old Navy on scarlet "Twins" script back again. It's been too long.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 4:34 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 455

Now if only we'd see a return of the stirrups.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM by Winona Mike Highlight this comment 456

Well, theoretically, CBP is bigger than TF. CBP seats 3,000 more people than TF. But remember, they had to snugly fit TF into an 8.5 acre parcel. That's not just surface area for the ballpark itself, I think that's for everything, from the sidewalks, to the plaza area to the actual ballpark. I think HOK said once, that only Whatever-Phone-Company-has-the-Naming-Rights-this-Week Park in San Francisco had a more challenging "footprint" (buildable space) to work with in building the park.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 4:56 PM by luke Highlight this comment 457

Faber-

I've got no problem with the continuity thing, and it's understandable that some fans aren't going to want to see dramatic change. That being said, I would like to see the logo updated. The Dodgers, Red Sox, etc have all had very tasteful updates over the years without changing their core identity. Click my name for example...

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 6:50 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 458

fyi - it has been confirmed that U2 will play at the gophers football stadium on june 27th. click my name for the mpls star tribune story.

i have to say that this is a really good get by the gophers athletic office to christen the new stadium in terms of on-campus concerts. like U2 or not they are one of the biggest bands in the entire world.

other info: some of the tickets will be set aside in pre-sale bundles for university students and season ticketholders to all gophers teams, university officials said. i like that they are rewarding gophers season ticket holders, considering the show will be in the gophers football stadium and on the U of M campus. that is only fair.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 7:04 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 459

If anyone is interested in a 20 game partial plan for next year, let me know. I purchased 2 20 game plans for someone who changed their mind. If no one is interested in either of these, I will drop the seats.

20 game plan C - section 126, row 22, aisle (pair)
20 game plan E - section 318, row 7 (the two seat mini-row between sections 318 and 319)

Each includes tickets to one of the exhibition games

Either/both available at cost. If you aren't interested in 20 games, I may be interested in keeping a few games.

email me at:

jfh 3 co (without the spaces) at the domain Google uses for mail.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 9:13 PM by jfh Highlight this comment 460

M is for Mauer. Let him have his cap. hush now. If he wants an M cap, it's all good. :D

Boof likes the sleeveless. I like Boof. I know I'm alone in this. lol

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 9:37 PM by Jax Highlight this comment 461

I'm confused... the illustrated drawings of the new unis and the photos of away jersey on scott baker had the player's numbers on the front (which is lame) but the photos on the strib site of the jerseys (not being modeled by the players) showed them without the numbers on the front.

Really hoping there aren't going to be #'s on the front.. it just vaguely reminds me of all the ugly unis the whitesox used to wear in the 70s & 80s. Otherwise new road uni & home alternate are pretty sweet.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 9:38 PM by Dan Larson Highlight this comment 462

Having the numbers on the front of the new jerseys is in no way as hideous as those sox jerseys dan.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 463

Interesting quotes by DSP in Joe Christensen's article in the Star Tribune regarding uniforms beyond 2010.

The 1982 throwbacks have been "temporarily shelved" and it also sounds like we could very well be seeing more of the 1961 throwbacks beyond the 2010 season.

Should be interesting to see what happens beyond 2010.

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 10:33 PM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 464

the special on FSN was almost entirely old news to anyone who follows this website imo

Posted on November 16, 2009 at 10:49 PM by MattW Highlight this comment 465

Mike, why would you believe anything DSP says? This is the same guy who said unis would be unveiled LAST week. He's an example of the whole organization: getting hopes up early, then not delivering -- then throwing out more false hope so the fans forget to call you on it.

I think what keeps the Twins from on-the-field success is that the Pohlads have always run the organization as a business and not a team. "Success" is measured by profit, not championships. If they want to do that, it's their prerogative (cue Bobby Brown) but the fans must wake up to that. The Pohlads are more focused on providing competitive baseball for 81 home games and not thinking about the 11 max postseason home games. If you play competitively in the 81, fans will come back next year regardless. So what's the incentive for the Pohlads to change that?

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 06:45 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 466

The Strib shows the unis without the numbers on front because it's not an actual players uniform. Just like a nameless jersey you would buy at a store. It seems that the road uniforms will have a number on the front, and the throwback home jerseys wont from what Denard was wearing.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 07:07 AM by MB Highlight this comment 467

DSP updated his blog. Click my name for the link. Below is a little excerpt from it.

Target Field Notes:

Representatives of Major League Baseball visited Target Field last week to check-in on a number of playability issues including dimensions, outfield wall configuration, field padding and signage. Another set of MLB reps will visit this week to sign off on the field lighting system ... The Twins are working to finalize agreements with multiple artists, many of them local, to contribute original pieces to the Target Field interior spaces ... Installation of the wind veil on the B-Ramp is on schedule and expected to be finalized by year-end ... Testing is well-underway on the Target Field scoreboards and related graphics packages ... Carpet installation is now complete in the Twins Clubhouse - complete with a large "Twins" logo in the center of the primary player locker area.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 08:27 AM by Jeff Highlight this comment 468

Right Field Obstruction Question?

Why couldn't engineers lift the bleacher seats up level to those that jet out on the overhang? When you look at it, there doesn't appear any reason those seats couldn't be level and avoid obstructions. That MPR video shows that section as a whole is going to miss 85% view of the field? Am I missing something?

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM by Todd Highlight this comment 469

I completely agree with Todd. I don't understand why those right field bleachers had to be built lower, is there an actual reason or did they just do it that way to do it that way? If they did do just to do it then its a major oversight in the construction of those bleachers. I don't have a problem with the outfield seats not being able to see plays at the wall, since the site restrictions simply dictated that that was how it would be, but missing half the field from those bleachers is terrible.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 1:18 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 470

Yeah, that looks like crap. I wouldn't pay 10 bucks for those seats

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 1:30 PM by Jimmer Highlight this comment 471

I'd probably enjoy watching Jesse Crain(wreck) from those seats. (Obstructed view preferred.)

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 1:53 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 472

The plaza extends out closer to the field behind the overhang seats and the overhang seats appear to be at a steeper slope than the bleachers. If the bleacher seats were at the same level and slope as the overhang seats they would lose 4 to 5 rows of the bleacher seating. Almost every outfield seat in this park will have some obstructed view, the site just doesn't allow for perfect sight lines from every seat.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 2:34 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 473

Sightlines Better?

Sitting in right field at Target field will be like being asked to drive a car with the front windschield being covered with carpet. Why even bother putting seats in that area?

I've heard people say they don't mind obstructions? That's no obstruction...that is a brickwall. Any play that happens from the second base bag on to the entire outfield, you will not be able to see. Are you kidding me? Unless Nick Punto or Casilla is up to bat trying to hit their typical squib in between 1st and 2nd base you will not see the play happen. Calling those seats and counting them against the 40K is embarrassing. The Twins and the engineers have to be ashamed.

I can just see the contractor saying to the ballpark designers. "Are you sure you want me to put this section 5 feet below the section right next to the overhang?" Are you sure you want me to put the cement wall and railing right in front of the fans trying to watch the game? The designers response. "Yeah do it, the fans still can watch 15% of the game and see only hits down the right field line.

The Twins would have been better off flattening that whole are including the part that overhangs in right and sell that area as standing room only with multiple platforms like the Cowboys have for their games

Besides revenue, I thought one of the major reasons for building a baseball only park was the sight lines. The more I see tours and camera angles of seating, the worse this place looks.

I know its a small footprint, but why can't it resemble Pittsburgh or San Fran?

At least the MetroDump had only one area where you couldn't see the whole field and that was upper deck right field.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 474

PNB19

By your logic they could have made the overhang section lower to match the bleachers and had even more rows, and therefore more tickets to sell, in right field. Hell, the overhang section with seats in it should have just been bleacher seats to begin with. Todd, I'm completely with you on this. From the seat viewer on the twins sight it doesn't look that bad in that section, but that's because in that viewer they give you the best possible view from that section. Now that this picture has surfaced and shown how bad those seats are gonna be its very disappointing. I will never buy tickets in those right field bleachers unless they are down in the first couple rows and more to the left side of that section. The height difference just doesn't make sense.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 2:48 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 475

PNB19,

You might lose a couple of rows to making it the same elevation, but at least you now have 2 serviceable sections to the right of that overhang. Those seats actually wouldn't be bad if they could view to the right and see the outfield.

With the way it's setup now, nobody will sit in those seats at all. I guarantee those people will be walking around the whole game viewing the game from the open concourse.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 476

billymayshere--

Also, the seat viewer doesn't include the railing on the left side of section 138. Ridiculous.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 2:53 PM by Chad Highlight this comment 477

billymayshere,

Exactly, the viewer doesn't include the railing either or people sitting in those seats. Check out the MPR video. It shows the railing. There is absolutely no way a person sitting in those seats see's any action in the outfield. How can the Twins even charge for those seats. They should be paying fans to fill those specific areas.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 478

While I agree that the obstruction in right field sucks, I think a lot of you guys are overreacting. The overwhelming majority of the action is going to be in the infield between the pitcher and the batter. As long as people are aware of the obstruction, I say BFD.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 2:58 PM by some guy Highlight this comment 479

You're also overreacting because these seats aren't even offered on a season ticket basis. As far as I understand it, they will be available only on a walk-up basis the day of the game and will be some of the last tickets sold for a game. And saying 85 percent of the field is obstructed is just hyperbole. Yeah, it blocks some of the view of the outfield, but those people who walk up to the ticket window and buy those tickets will know what they are getting into.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 480

Take a look at these views from other recently-built stadiums. It seems like you just can't build a stadium without having some obstructed views, so it's not like this is unique to Target Field:

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/citi_field_360views.jsp?pano=apple

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/citi_field_360views.jsp?pano=pepsi

http://www.seats3d.com/mlb/washington_nationals/sec_101_1.html?price_plan_selected=&

It also looks like PNC Park, AT&T in San Fran, Minute Maid, Busch Stadium, Petco and Safeco all have similar issues, but their sites do a better job of hiding them.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 481

Let's HOPE that people buying these seats know what they'll be getting into. My sense is that about 1% of the Twins fans are following this project closely enough to be aware that this might be an issue.

I met a guy over the weekend who is a huge fan, very excited for Target Field, happy as hell to talk about roster moves etc. but said he didn't know much about TF and had never even driven by the site!

How will this guy react when he walks up on game day, buys a seat in the "right field bleachers" and then sits down next to that wall?

It's beyond being an engineering/design/construction problem. Now it's a potential PR problem. (And that goes for the rest of the outfield seating as well.)

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM by Rick 482

Its not overreacting at all. So when a ball goes into left or center field I should just be ok with missing what is happeneing and guess what is going on by how the crowd reacts or just wait until I see it replayed on the scoreboard, if its replayed at all? I for sure don't want to miss a great play by Span, or Young when he gets around to them and no one should have to put their personal viewing of the game on hold, no one. Now those people in those bleachers are going to have to sit and wait until the see the ball randomly fly back into the infield and only guess as to what they missed.

I said before that I don't mind the minor obstructions that most of the outfield will have, because I really don't think they're too bad and they were unavoidable with the site restrictions, but not being able to see the entirety of left and center field is too much, especially since it could have been avoided and should have been avoided. Those right field bleacher seats are going to sell the same way seats down the third base line in the dome sold; only those who don't know how bad they really are will buy them and if they're smart they'll never buy them again. In the future, if a friend or family member mentions that they're going to TF to watch a game I will make sure that their seats aren't in those bleachers.

I'm just disappointed that those seats turned out like that, and its a little too late to do anything about it so I guess this is just something we have to live with. Its certainly not going to prevent me from sitting elsewhere in the park.

Oh, and if they put little tv screens on that wall like the Yankees did in center field at new yankee stadium I will officially boycott that section and will never sit anywhere in it. Those tvs are an admission of a mistake and a very pitiful apology to fans that now miss the action.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 483

I've toured and seen the areas that have bad sight lines. The RF area is a single game ticket area. Other than that, the upper deck of left field is steep, but you can't see the wall below. That being said, overall this park has awesome lines and it's going to be a gem.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM by OG Jeff Highlight this comment 484

Yeah... let's cut the drama. Good point Buffalo and a nice comparison.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM by Jim Highlight this comment 485

Another factor I keep forgetting to mention is that many of those outfield seats are also the ones which will not have the benefit of seeing replays because the big scoreboard will be behind them. (Don't listen to anybody who tells you they are going to show replays on the ribbon boards or out-of-town scoreboard. It is to laugh.)

I've heard that some areas out there are getting video screens, but I don't know just which ones. And I haven't heard anything at all about remedial steps for the right field bleachers in question here.

And while I agree fundamentally with you, OG Jeff, I'm very concerned that first impressions of the place from people who have no idea what they're getting into will change public perception forever.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM by Rick 486

(Don't forget that most people think the HERC plant stinks.)

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM by Rick 487

"I for sure don't want to miss a great play by Span, or Young"

if billymayshere's biggest worry is missing a great play by delmon young i'd say everybody's going to be ok.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM by jp Highlight this comment 488

Surely technology could allow for a giant sheet of glass that would run from behind home plate to the left field wall and up to the canopy... it could be made so that the folks sitting along the third base line could see through it like at a hockey game while those in the outfield would be looking at the other side of the glass that would be a mirror. Then the fans in the outfield could see what is happening in the outfield by simply looking at the mirror in front of them. Brilliant!

Or, they could just rip out those damn bleacher seats along the right field line and put an inflatable milk jug there.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:56 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 489

Yeah, I guess I got a bit ahead of myself with the young comment, but to be fair I did say "or by young when he gets around to them."

Anyway, uniforms for this year are terrific. Hopefully I have a job by the time April rolls around so I can shell out the dough for one of those throwbacks Denard was modeling. The blue home alternates are nice and everything, but I think those and the sleeveless should have been given a break this year. The standard white with pinstripes and now the cream throwbacks are more than enough at home.

Also, the video of baker and span coming onto the stage is hilarious. Baker is all shy and reserved, and span comes out and turns around as if to say "Yeah, you like what you see?" Great stuff.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 3:58 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 490

Not a bad idea truth, only problem I see with that would be the people sitting in the first couple of rows down the left field line would have a tough time seeing home plate. Anyone who has sat in the front row of a hockey game knows you can't see throw the glass at a angle like that.

You're either on to something, or on something

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 4:06 PM by hugh morris Highlight this comment 491

"You're either on to something, or on something"

That's probably what people said to Albert Hoffman.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 4:18 PM by billymayshere Highlight this comment 492

Don't forget that the navy jersey is a home and away alternate.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 493

I think the bottom line here is Minnesota usually does stuff half a$$. We built the Metrodump on the cheap without air condition, etc. We lived with the embarrassing baggy sheet as a fence for 27 years.

I like a lot of aspects about what they are doing with Target Field, but I'm concerned they didn't consider the very things they didn't like about the dome for baseball.

You can say other stadiums have sight line issues, blah blah. Does that mean we should follow suit? That is doing a disservice to your paying customer. Why not be more creative in trying to come up with a better plan to eliminate as many sight line problems as possible?

My point is this. From hearing quite a bit about sight line issues in the outfield, why didn't they come up with something that will cause the casual customer to have a great experience.

I don't want to hear from the Twins organization that they are not selling out the outfield seats or generating enough revenue again. That is on them now. People are going to be dissatisfied I'm telling you. It's one thing not being able to see the fence below but a whole another thing when you can't see large portions of the field.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 4:21 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 494

I am sure the fans in the RF blechers dry for the first few years since those are walk up seats and as u can imagine anyone walking up to TF next year and gets a ticket for face value will consider it a score, then they will adsress it after we start seeing only 25k a night in the joint.. shit i would pay 8-10 bucks to sit there and just walk around the whole time or go to hrbks bar or the party deck... maybe they can do what the royals do with the dry ducks seats.. only 7 bucks walk up only and you get a hat... those were prob the best value seats i ever sat in , in my life...and they were not obstructed

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 495

sorry " Im sure the Twins will suck the fans dry in the rf blechers"

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 4:28 PM by mazaratirick Highlight this comment 496

What are the chances the Twins are going to be upfront about the issue?

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 5:06 PM by Ben Highlight this comment 497

People are overreacting to bleacher seats. Whatever.

And Rick, I hate to say it because I really like your site and all the hard work you put into it, but you seem to have some sort of vendetta against the Twins lately, subtly ripping them when you get the chance and always nitpicking problems and bashing the media they do let in for tours over you.

Maybe it's time you got over that.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 5:06 PM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 498

todd - i have read all of your posts and unfortunately i still don't know exactly what your point is or what your solutions would have been. honestly, all i really hear is someone being just a bit over-dramatic about a few sightline issues that are not even season-ticket holder seats. but, MAYBE that is just me?!

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM by Betaband Highlight this comment 499

I agree about paying the 7-10 dollars for those obstructed RF seats and just walk around and drink while catching the game at the open part in RF or from the main concourse. Just being in that stadium with the bars and views is fine with me.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 5:37 PM by MB Highlight this comment 500

My sightline questions got more talk then I was looking for.

I was curious if anyone knew architectually why the right field section is not the same elevation? Doesn't sound like anyone really knows.

I would hope HOK and the engineers have a valid reason for it. That couldn't be an oversight because it would be a terrible one.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 5:42 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 501

I didn't think Todd was being overdramatic.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 5:44 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 502

Betaband,

I'm not a season ticket holder so areas like right field are important to me. I also realize those of you whom have season tickets could care less about those that don't. Why should you, those seats don't have sightline problems.

I'm a sports finantic whom spends a lot more money on Viking games then Twins. However, the dumpy dome was a big factor in not deciding to go to Twins games.

If I were going to the games with my buddies, I could easily walk around and watch the game. However, when I'm taking my son, it would be nice knowing good places to sit that are not taken by season ticket holders.

You are going to see a lot more casual Twins fans or even big Twins fans that didn't go to the games only because of the dome.

Don't you think it makes sense for the arhitects to build something that accomodates for those casual fans? If there experience is crappy due to obstructed seats, do you think they will come back? What is there choice if everything else is sold to season tix holders?

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 6:05 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 503

Kind of surprised how many people are just realizing that there will be an obstruction.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 6:07 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 504

People keep asking about what is the solution to the Twins sight line problems? From a architectural standpoint, I'm not a architect, so I couldn't tell you? That's why I asked the orginal question wondering if those of you who have visited inside Target field were privy to that information?

If I remember right the Twins were looking at 3 sights for the ballpark? The chose this one for whatever reason. I just think they should have thought about it longer before throwing it together. I will go as far to say they had no idea how many seats Target Field was going to seat until they put the seats in? Whats up with that?

Planners do make mistakes, just ask Chicago White Sox. They built a stadium that was pretty much obsolete before it opened.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 6:14 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 505

Lafferty- It's actually funny that you say that you are surprised people didn't know there was obstuctions.

I just read an article on some sight a week ago that said during the initial design of Target field that there were going to be no obstructed seats.

For some of you ballpark guru's going to different ballparks, you probably were aware of those. I've been to Wrigley field a couple of times and never had obstuctions on my bleacher seats.

I think its funny that guys on here don't think obstuctions are a big deal. I think its the most important facet of the stadium. I'm excited as anyone for outdoor baseball, but are you guys that desperate that you don't care about viewing quality?

Again, were not talking about a few obstructions, were talking about at least 500 or so with drastic view reductions. Thousands that have some viewing restraints which don't necessarily take away the experience.

When XCEL Energy Center opened people raved about the sitelines. That is the first thing that was noted. Not that they had escalaters or restaurants and bars, but good sitelines. Afterall most people are there to watch the game.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 506

Todd, they also made a lot of positive changes to New Comiskey and it's now considered one of the most underrated parks around.

What the Twins have is a tiny problem compared to what the White Sox had to go through.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 6:44 PM by Lafferty Highlight this comment 507

Don't misunderstand. I think Target Field is going to be great in a lot of aspects. They have put a lot of nice and unique touches to this park.

I by no means think it's a piece of junk. I'm disappoined on how they setup the outfield seating areas. To be honest, I might have put the Scoreboard in Right Center Field to hide the Parking Ramp. On top of the Scoreboard I would have put the State of Minnesota Logo with the guys shaking hands.

In centerfield, I would have put another set of bleachers and Right Field, I would have left it open as a standing room only plaza like Camden Yards. No seats because they don't serve a purpose as they are configured right now.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 7:04 PM by Todd Highlight this comment 508

From what I know/have heard, the scoreboard was put in left center field as a middle finger to the owner of Minikhada Storage. He was one of the owners of the land that TF is built upon and that group of owners wanted more than the Pohlands wanted to pay. With the scoreboard where it is, it's impossible to view a game from the top of the Minikhada building.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 8:29 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 509

Buffalo,

Thanks for being candid. I'll think about that.

But if I'm being too subtle about my concerns over obstructed seating, then that's my mistake. If you look back, I've been trying to sound this particular alarm for almost seven months. My research started right after NYS and CitiField opened because my assumption until that point had been that modern facilities don't have obstructed views. That's one of the things that supposedly makes them "modern".

That turned out not to be true, and the underside of the issue isn't pretty. I have reports from insiders that HOK designed those outfield pavilions with only a vague notion of how the sightlines were going to work, and a strong suspicion that they might not be very good. And published reports say that the issue never even came up in the process for NYS, CitiField, or Nationals Park. All I can say to that is, yikes!

Now, isn't that HOK's JOB? I mean, isn't that why they're getting paid millions of dollars? Aren't they supposed to be the ultimate experts on stadium design? As has been pointed out already in this short discussion, there are easy fixes for that area out in right field. Just match the rake to the section next to it and everybody's happy.

In other words, my beef on the design is with the architects, and not the team, though it is something that either party might have caught by merely checking out the 3D seat locator:


But now it's a question of how you sell the ballpark, both figuratively and literally. Ticket prices set expectations. Press releases set expectations. Things that people say publicly set expectations.

Believe it or not, I actually think that getting this stuff out there now is being a friend to the project. The worst thing that could happen is a repeat of the NYS debacle where fans are pissed off, the media has a field day, and the team has to give refunds and/or lower prices (for reasons other than economic turmoil). The best case scenario is that no one is surprised by what they can or can't see when they get to their seats.

I've been hesitant to throw all my data out there because I don't want to spoil anybody's new ballpark buzz. But when I hear reports in the media that there "won't be a bad seat in the house" I get a little bit twitchy...

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 9:02 PM by Rick 510

The ideal place for the 2nd Video Board would be above the Metropolitan Club. That would give just about everyone (~95%?)a view of one of the video boards.

I am wondering why they have never considered this?

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 9:24 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 511

The Cell is NOT underrated. It's a disaster. It's basically OYS incarnate. The upper bowl is high and steep. The scoreboard is a modern copycat (the structure streches between LF and RF) of the one at OYS. Even the exterior is reminiscent of OYS. The place ought to be torn down, re-designed and rebuilt. It's very bland on the outside (sound familiar? like a Dome we all know) cavernous and baseball-unfriendly on the inside IMHO.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 9:24 PM by luke Highlight this comment 512

I saw the second game ever at the new Comiskey Park, as it was called then. It was a cold, windy, grey drizzly afternoon. As I approached the new ballpark, there sat the old Comiskey with a huge section of the right field corner grandstand ripped open exposing the inside of the old park, you could see the green seats inside. It was depressing. To get into the new park you had to go up ramps from the street to get to the main concourse above the lower bowl. Mistake #1. The ugly blue seats filled the park. Mistake #2. You could only walk the open concourse in a circle 360 degrees around the park. Unlike the old park, there were no interesting niches. Mistake #3. I went up to my seats in the upper deck 3rd base side. I couldn't believe how high up I was from the field from the 4th or 5th row. Mistake #4. I quickly went down into some empty seats just behind home plate. I was depressed and bored out of my mind. I have only seen 2 games there since. I know they have down alot to improve the park, but like the saying goes, it's hard to shine a turd

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 10:02 PM by JohnF Highlight this comment 513

This discussion of the right field seats brought back an experience I had some time ago. At Twinsfest 2008, when the ballpark model was being shown, I was quite taken by the possiblity of sitting in the front row of the overhang. When I asked the manager of season ticket sales and service if the overhang seats would be offered as season seats he told me that they would not be offered as season tickets but rather on a per game basis. He went on to say that we (Twins) won't know what the view will be like until the seats are put in and we don't want to have to move people after the season starts. That put an end to my dreams of spitting seeds on the opposing right fielder right there.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 10:08 PM by NotMendoza Highlight this comment 514

I agree that the Twins need to get the information out there about the obstructed view seats. I remember back when the design was first unvieiled that I stated it was quite apparent there would be some obstructed views in the park. Having taken a tour of the place back in June I realized it was going to be a bigger issue than I originally thought.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 10:41 PM by IowaWigman Highlight this comment 515

Ok, a few quick thoughts/questions. First of all, why is it that the new jerseys online in the mlb store can't be purchased with any of the Twins names or numbers on them? All I can find are generic Twins jerseys. As far as the new jerseys I am absolutely in love with the new home retro jersey that Span was wearing. Ironically this was actually my wife's least favorite, her favorite was the traditional home white jersey with the pinstripes. 2nd of all perhaps I am a little bit shocked at how all the positive talk has suddenly turned on Target Field. Everytime I see new photos I'm continually amazed at how gorgeous every aspect of it is. Granted there are some poor sight lines, but is there any MLB park that has no obstructed views. I would like somebody to offer an example of a greater upgrade in ballpark then the dome will be to Target Field. Finally this is one of my favorite sites and I check it everyday, but imho we are overdue for a new update. At least I am.

Posted on November 17, 2009 at 11:17 PM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 516

My problem with the right field bleacher obstructed seats is it makes that overhang look even more gimmicky than it already is. Rick's overhead picture at the top of this section I think shows it quite well. I don't see anything that would have prevented them from moving the overhang back (creating no overhang - there is plenty of plaza room to use), or by raising the bleachers to the same elevation as the overhang section, OR remove the overhang section completely and put in some other amenity (I would advocate a huge BBQ smoker thing and start cooking the ribs, but it could be anything).

That overhead shot is great because I think it really shows how much of a last minute decision that overhang was.

I would also say that, while all parks have some obstructed view seats, new ball parks aren't nearly as bad as the old ballparks with the support columns everywhere. Look at Municipal Stadium in Cleveland or the old Comiskey.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 06:43 AM by Linc Highlight this comment 517

Yes, but if there were no overhang we couldn't hear Kevin Smith on the tour say "a right fielder can go back, back, back, and have the ball disappear into the stands above him." Is anyone else tired of hearing that?

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 08:40 AM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 518

JCTwins,
Yes!!!! I am sick of hearing everything he says. Perhaps it's our own fault; the average fan probably hasn't heard it as often as us.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 08:55 AM by Steeks Highlight this comment 519

Linc, not sure how "last-minute" it was considering its been in every rendering of Target Field I can find. I think the best thing the Twins could have done was just leave the seating next to the overlook open and leave it a plaza, but then again they would have fans whining about why there were no seats there.

Look, it's clear in this day and age most ball clubs don't even care about the outfield seating. The real money is in the seats between behind the plate and down the lines. Look at how little seating some of the newer parks actually have in the outfield.

I think when we see the price point for those bleacher seats, it will make more sense. Again, they could have just left that block of seating out all together, but I think they just felt like shoehorning in some more seats and giving more fans a chance to get a seat while also making some more money. If anything is an afterthought, it's the seating next to the overlook, not the overlook itself.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:01 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 520

Steeks, I too find it humorous that fans who are rabid about the new ballpark, who search out each and every new piece of info, photo or video of Target Field they can find, would be surprised they might hear the same thing over and over again. Keep in mind JC that the average fan likely hasn't been searching the net for every little piece about the park they can find.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:03 AM by Buffalo Highlight this comment 521

Rick,

I'm glad you have discussed this seat issue multiple times because it deserves attention. I too agree with your assertion that these so called stadium designers are getting paid millions to design something where everyone gets a good experience not just season ticket holders.

Well great Target Field has a Party Deck and 4th largest scoreboard. What are you going to tell people after you missed two thirds of the play because you couldn't see squat from your seat?

In reality, this is another cookie cutter with Minnesota touches. This is no Camden Yards. As everyone wants to elude, every new ballpark has sightline problems. That is your first hint that this ballpark is no better then those.

Instead of being cutting edge or the best since its the newest, it's just going to be a new stadium. Nothing more...Nothing less. Better then the dome but so what.

People are going to walk into this park and be so excited because its outside. They are going to notice all the bells and whistles and then everyone in the outfield seats are going to be instantly deflated.

What just happened to my great feeling? What do you mean I can't see Span make a home run saving grab? What do you mean I can't see 2 of the 3 outfielders? Are you F'ing kidding me? This is supposed to be a state of the art stadium and I can't see two thirds of the outfield?

Obviously, if you have anything in the season ticket areas behind home plate and down the baselines you will feel great.

It's a shame in my opinion. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it there are serious design flaws for non season ticket holders. All you non season ticket holder peasants go to your awful outfield seats and keep it down alright.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:11 AM by Todd Highlight this comment 522

I agree Todd that there will be obstructed view seat especially in the outfield upper deck. However, much of it was unavoidable (some were). However, making it a personal issue is the part that seems dramatic to me. There will be plenty of tickets available that aren't outfield seats if you so desire.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:24 AM by Jim Highlight this comment 523

Hey Buffalo Bill,

I agree with you assertion that ball clubs don't care about bleacher seats because the big bucks are in infield.

The funny thing about that is Wrigley field bleacher seats are more valuable then behind the plate. Not from a price perspective, but from a novelty one. Everyone wants to sit in the bleachers at Wrigley.

You would think though since Target Field is struggling to get 40,000 seats in that space, they would have been more careful to make sure they are quality. Can they afford to lose revenue from those seats in the outfield on a regular basis? It's not just the small ticket price they are losing. It's beer and food and merchandise too that they will lose out on. It will be packed for the first year because its new. After a while though, people will just stay home and watch on TV because the outfield viewing will make it that way.

Then we are going to see and hear about how empty the outfield is and why people are coming. It's not going to be due to the team but from their past experience.

Put it this way, I was a Viking season ticket holder for years and try to avoid going down to the dome if possible. Why because the experience at that stadium is terrible. You can't take a leak without missing a quarter of the game. Viewing is terrible from portions of the upper deck.

Minnesota gets called out for being fair weather fans. It not that really. It's all in the experience. Why would someone leave the comfort of their home to miss action when they have great tv views.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:27 AM by Todd Highlight this comment 524

Todd, perhaps I am way off base and delusional in my level of optimism, but I find it very hard to believe that the seating will be as piss poor as you're indicating. I have been to quite a few ballparks and nothing I have seen in the photos for Target Field indicates to me that this is just a new ballpark, no more or less. When I think of a ballpark that completely underwhelmed me I think of GABP, and as someone who has been to Camden it is not also without its faults (though a stunning ballpark nonetheless).

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:30 AM by HebrewHammer16 Highlight this comment 525

Jim,

I know there will be seats available over time. It just seems to me unless your a season tix holder, you don't have much to choose from. Unless you are willing to pay inflated prices to get scalped tickets, your only choice is the outfield.

I wouldn't say dramatic is the word. I think disappointed is better.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:33 AM by Todd Highlight this comment 526

Rick, stop ruining the Twins' "Uh-oh" moments. ;)

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:36 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 527

I haven't gotten first hand viewing of inside the park. I've only read about it from this forum. I've also seen a lot of pics from here and the internet along with the viewer the Twins provide.

Maybe once I get a chance to see a game I'll be surprised? I also thought the party deck would have a lot better view but after seeing the video from the MPR, its looks awful. Again, maybe it was exaggerated?

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:37 AM by Todd Highlight this comment 528

I think people are overreacting, especially considering the expected price of the RF bleachers.

If you want cheap seats with unobstructed views, the skyline view is available for $12 or so.

Let's wait to see the park in person before we start making assumptions. Obviously there will be some obstructions in those OF seating areas, but the Twins also were nice to add more OF seating from the original plans due to high demand from the fans.

Most of the action occurs in the infield and if you have obstructed views, you learn to watch the pitcher/catcher and batter reactions. For example, if someone hits a gapper, I like to watch the runner(s) on base rather than the outfielder and the ball or if someone is going to score, I like to watch the cutoff man/catcher because I know a throw is going to be coming from the outfield.

It all depends on your level of interest in the game and what you like to look for when watching a game. Some fans who follow the game closely would not mind the obstructed views, especially if the tickets are going to be under $10, you can't complain for that price.

Afterall, most of the action is in the infield between the pitcher/catcher and most of those views will be unobstructed.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:46 AM by Mike Brumley Highlight this comment 529

wow, where the hell did all this negativity come from? yes, there will be some obstructed view seats in right field but most seats throughout the entire ballpark will be able to see all the field.

why not put school groups in that right field section? or families where the kids have no interest in the game other than seeing tc the bear?

todd, your opinion is valid on that section of right field, but you based on that you are making the entire ballpark a failure.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:49 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 530

The "Wrigley factor" is interesting because those bleachers are expensive, always sold out, and people out there couldn't give a crap (for the most part) about the game. It's a place to party, plain and simple.

It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if that's what developed in the outfield of TF... (It's not my thing, but it works for lots of folks.)

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:50 AM by Rick 531

...but based on that you are making the entire ballpark a failure*

(we need an edit option for when my grammar and sentence structure lapses)

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 09:50 AM by annoyingcustomer Highlight this comment 532

annoyingcustomer- i agree with you with putting the kids not interested. They don't come for the came, they come for the experience of going to a ballgame, with dad, or fam or w/e. The wall looks short enough that one could stand and see over it

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 10:20 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 533

Some of the obstructed view seats (LF upper deck not being able to see the wall, same in CF) are a product of the site. To have the angle needed for everyone to see the top of the wall, we'd all be complaining about how far away from the field we are. The seats in RF next to the overhang are disappointing and it doesn't make sense why they aren't at the same level as the overhang. However, if they were, we'd be complaining that we couldn't see parts of RF and CF from the seats furthest down the RF line.

It is what it is, the percentage of OVS has got to be less than 5% of the total seats. No ballpark is perfect, there are OVS even in Camden Yards. I'm not trying to make excuses for Populous but this issue doesn't detract from how world class of a ballpark TF will be.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 10:43 AM by Eric Highlight this comment 534

besides one section like that is nowhere near as many as the 1,392 blocked seats of the dome

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM by The Sooj Highlight this comment 535

"It wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if that's what developed in the outfield of TF... (It's not my thing, but it works for lots of folks.)"

I'd probably buy a ticket to that section and go up to the rooftop deck. It's still much cheaper than most unobstructed seats, and it's definitely much cheaper than the Above The Ivy tickets my friends and I have been buying the last few years. Ouch.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM by Chad Highlight this comment 536

Well, I sure hope it was worth it for the Twins/HOK to have their GIMMICK in the RF overhang. I've never liked it from the start, it looks stupid and contrived...Now it's blocking off the view from the bleachers next to it. GREAT JOB GUYS!

For a ballpark which has shown so much attention to small details, it's amazing that this has happened. I think we all knew a long time ago that the RF bleachers were going to be the worst seats in the house but I don't think any of us anticipated them being THIS bad. Luckily there aren't that many and if they don't sell (which I'm sure they won't) the Twins can rip them out and put something else out there - maybe a playpen for all the little brats that won't stop kicking the back of my chair.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 537

A couple of posts mention buying a ticket and going to the roof top deck. Will the roof top deck be a place people can just go to? My understanding is that it is available to reserve for group outings and if it is not reserved there will be a number of single game tickets available for purchase. Anybody know more about this?

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 538

I agree. Rip out the seats and put in "T.C.'s Bear Den." At the dome, T.C. went AWOL from the third inning until the end of the game. He'll need a place to hide from fans at the new ballpark.

I've never (not) seen a mascot so much at a ballpark as I've not seen T.C. at the Dome. Why wasn't he in the concourse or in the stands greeting kids and fans? I NEVER saw him greeting young fans. They really need to use the mascot more during in-game. Now, Crunch, there's a man in a wildlife costume who knows how to beat a snare drum!

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 539

the rooftop deck will be only for people holding a ticket to go up to the rooftop. Some games will be available for single purchase, and some will be for group outings. The rooftop isn't just a place you can go up and hangout during the game. You need a ticket for the deck.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM by MB Highlight this comment 540

My point about Kevin Smith repeating himself is that he seems to make no effort for us goons that have watched every one of these videos. He could re-phrase it, but I gather he's just going by a script he's inadvertantly developed for tours.

Also I've been to Busch (new) and it has some really bad obstructions. After my tour was complete I basically forgot about them.

Do Kaufmann or Wrigley have outright obstructions? Offhand it doesn't seem like it. Is that because they were built pre-club seat era?

Last, I do think videos and even the online viewer tend to add distance. Sitting in the outfield at Busch felt surprisingly close to the game. I think when we actually get inside it will feel closer than some of these videos imply.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM by JCTwins Highlight this comment 541

TTH,

TC Bear has very little time to spend with the kids in the stands and concourse. Most of his time is spent in the broom closet fooling around with Twinkie the Loon.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM by kevin in az Highlight this comment 542

I guess I thought being fan interactive was his job.

Doesn't the T.C. stand for "Touchin' Children"?

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 12:52 PM by The Truth Hurts Highlight this comment 543

ROOF DECK

There was talk initially that during certain games in addition to your normal seat, you could buy a "roof deck ticket" for an additional $5 dollars or something so you could go up there.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 1:24 PM by Brandon T Highlight this comment 544

Scioscia named manager of the year. Gardenhire again passed over. I think this was his most deserving year too.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM by PNB19 Highlight this comment 545

Well at least they didn't give it to Girardi. The rats at OYS could have coached that team to a WS.

Also, it should be noted that even if the overhang wasn't there, you still wouldn't be able to see all of the outfield. The overhang really has nothing to do with that conversation.

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 2:11 PM by DreDogg Highlight this comment 546

Will all of the home runs that will be landing in the RF bleachers I don't think there will be much of a problem selling those tickets for $12

Posted on November 18, 2009 at 2:27 PM by hugh morris Highlight this comment 547

Target Field is beautiful. Haven't had a chance to visit it in person but it is high up on my list of ballparks I want to visit.

Posted on February 15, 2012 at 8:21 PM by MLB Ballparks Highlight this comment 548


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This is where the main ticket office will be.



Flowers. Real flowers.






In the top of the 9th, the sun hit our backs and summer took one last long look.






The canopy as viewed through the outfield stands. The lighting approach, despite what you may have heard, is actually very traditional.



A true fan out in the bleachers



For $19.95 you can load up your plate (one trip only)












Look at all that blank space. Canvas! (What should go on those walls? A giant schedule perhaps?)






Signage for the concession stand which is available from the plaza (plaques are up on the fencing)



The tracks on the right will be moved to the newly-cleared area on the left. The edge of the ballpark will be about where the rocks and dirt meet.









Imagine this!



The renderings and concept model differ here. MOJO thinks this is the perfect place for a party deck. Dave St. Peter seemed to agree!



The angle on the main scoreboard from the Batter's Eye is surprisingly good -- acceptable, at least.



T is for Twins



One half of those windows are well-used.






In addition to the Pro Shop facade, you can see more gravel being laid before the final plaza surface is poured.



The official ballpark development area



Because of the scale, it's sometimes hard to realize that there are actual guys down there doing the tough work! Here they are getting ready to pour a footing.






One of those funny little sections above the entrance stairs



Walkway sneak peek



This is what I was working on while my photo was taken (click to see a VERY BIG version).






From behind the wind veil



This is what it looked like during the first open house in March.



Toronto



For some inexplicable reason, a lot of the new parks being built these days feature grand staircases like this one.



This shows the area where the Northstar platform connects with the ballpark (that translucent oval). Above that is the area which will house the Twins operations offices.



The east wall of the building looks like it will be the first part completed. These are probably supports for the plaza, and they hug the very edge of the site.






The plate marker is just to the left.



The 1963 team won 91 games! (Click to enlarge and see the names)



A truck is leaving the HERC plant. Here you can see the proximity to the promenade. For the record, the truck drove right by me and I smelled nothing...



Wood-backed seats viewed through gate 6



Section 101, Row 27






Steps going up at Gate 29/Carew



Photo by Jeff Ewer (Click to enlarge.)



The stunning curtains, which skillfully evoke the architecture, keep the atrium from getting too hot in the late afternoon sun, simultaneously hiding the HERC.



Indications that club seating (the wider spaced areas above each dugout) will be a major presence in the lower deck



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HERC - Hennepin Energy Resource Company (aka the Garbage Burner)

HPB - Home Plate Box

HRP - Home Run Porch

LC - Legends Club

LRT - Light Rail Transit

MBA - Minnesota Ballpark Authority (will own Target Field)

MOA - Mall of America

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